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Lakemaster Chip

by luveyes , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 08/25/2009 09:33 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
luveyes

Joined: 08/16/2004
Location: ND
Anyone have a Devils Lake Lakemaster chip they dont want or use???

Id take it off of your hands.  I need a second one for more GPS units...

YES, I am that foolish!
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 11:30 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Just get the NDTRax.  Then you have a chip for hunting and for every other lake in the state (except for Sakakawea).  The lakemaster chip is just NDGF data anyway.

Just a suggestion.  Cheaper than a lakemaster chip, all things considered.




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by luveyes on 08/25/2009 11:39 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
luveyes
Joined: 08/16/2004
Location: ND
Tim,

Have you seen the Lakemaster chip for DL??  NDGF map it is not; not even close...  Navionics is similar though.

If the ndtrax map had  1 ft Devils contours Id consider it...  If not I'll pass.  It would be nice to have some more road info though.

Anyone got a link to the ndtrax with accurate pics of the DL site???

YES, I am that foolish!
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:04 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Navionics is NDGF data on the HD series.  Maybe on the new Navionics chips the data is NDGF as well, don't know.  On my 2007 chip it isn't...I don't think.  Lakemaster didn't survey the lake, they used NDGF survey data and made their own touch up to it to make the 1 foot contours, or that is what I have been lead to believe.

I know that Korey is going to get the 3 ft contours from the NDGF for the update version coming in January.  Korey updates his chips each year.

I'll ask Korey to contibute to this conversation as he'll know more.

Here's the NDGF survey data (click on the maps):  http://www.fishingbuddy.com/devils_lake




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by permo on 08/25/2009 1:05 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
permo
Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Tim Sandstrom Said:
Just get the NDTRax.  Then you have a chip for hunting and for every other lake in the state (except for Sakakawea).  The lakemaster chip is just NDGF data anyway.

Just a suggestion.  Cheaper than a lakemaster chip, all things considered.


That is entirely incorrect. The lakemaster chip is D&R or G&F data for many of the smaller lakes, but what makes this lakemaster chip special is the extensive survery they did last year of devils lake...manually.  It is pretty amazing, they have stock dams, roads, and even the culverts in the golden hi-way marked.     I am also very impressed with their survery of Lake Oahe, it was very accurate from the stateline to hazelton. It showed submerged trees, islands, railroad tracks etc..etc.   It show right on the lakemaster website which lakes they surveyed and which are G&F data.
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by yelowjackt on 08/25/2009 1:21 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
yelowjackt
Joined: 08/31/2005
Location: ND
luveyes Said:
Tim,

Have you seen the Lakemaster chip for DL??  NDGF map it is not; not even close...  Navionics is similar though.

If the ndtrax map had  1 ft Devils contours Id consider it...  If not I'll pass.  It would be nice to have some more road info though.

Anyone got a link to the ndtrax with accurate pics of the DL site???
shoot this guy an email: Kirsch's Outdoor Products (kirschtrax@hotmail.com)




… brindle is as brindle does 
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:29 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
permo,

I personally make maps myself, or did.  I have all road data and took pre-flood data from the aerials and digitized trees that are now flooded.  I took aerial data all the way from 1994 I believe.  Or the earliest digitized aerial data that was available.  I also used the data and other digitized data to create flooded railroads, prairie trails, farmsteads, to you name it.  I never fished Devils Lake but I have all the roads and things a guy could want (kind of a waste of my time now that I think about it since I don't fish the lake).

I have suggested to Korey he offer the same in his future updates.  He acknowledged the idea.  Although, we haven't spoken in detail about it.  I have the data and could provide him that in just a couple clicks.

Now for the lake data, Lakemaster went out and surveyed the lake with boats themselves?  Or they took topo maps and did it?  As I stated, I can't recall what happened.  If they surveyed it via boat I did not know that and that chip would be different from the old and make it an elite chip.  The older chip I could have sworn was NDGF data in which they did extra tweaking to in order to get the 1 foot contours.

Really, all I was doing was saying NDTrax would offer an affordable solution and also give a person a lot more chip with other lakes, all ND and federal lands, etc.  Lakemaster would just be Lakemaster.

I will have to call the county highway departments and see if they have all culverts surveyed.  I doubt it except for state roads.  That would be quite a data set to have all the road culverts and not just the Golden Highway. 




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by espringers on 08/25/2009 1:31 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
espringers
Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND
permo... i didn't realize they did that.  so, if my lakemaster chip is a couple of years old, i am outdated?  thanks in advance for the response.
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by luveyes on 08/25/2009 1:32 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
luveyes
Joined: 08/16/2004
Location: ND
Tim,

You could send me CDs of all of the pics and overlay (or chips, your choice).  I have a 7 inch monitor and DVD player in my boat and 3 GPSs, so I could find some way to show the info!!!!  If you wanted to be particularly helpful you could overlay GPS coord as well!!!  Just an idea.  I may have a buck or 2 to send your way....

If kirsch can get me all of the info I want as far as stockponds, tree rows, rockpiles, culverts, roads, etc  Id snap one up in a heartbeat.

YES, I am that foolish!
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by permo on 08/25/2009 1:35 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
permo
Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Tim, yes lakemaster did the surveys with boats, according to the documentation that is supplied with the chips.  They state that the Devils Lake map is a result of their 2008 Lakemaster survey.   That is what sets the new lakemaster chip apart from the others.
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:37 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
espringers Said:
permo... i didn't realize they did that.  so, if my lakemaster chip is a couple of years old, i am outdated?  thanks in advance for the response.

espringer,

You and me both.  I just thought they had the NDGF survey.  Learn something new everyday!

luveyes,

I could send you out an LCM of just the roads and stuff to see how they rest on the Lakemaster stuff.  I definitely am interested.  As for sending out a full blown version I don't know if I am ready for that yet.  I have some stuff no one else has.  Or I thought anyway!!!

As for actual aerials I have them stored in GIS format and you would not be able to use them without me knowing more about the HD units.  I don't know if they accept georeferenced images or what.




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:39 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Permo has now settled the confusion.  It appears Lakemaster did work last year I was not aware of.

Maybe Lakemaster will get over to Sakakawea and do the lake this year or the next.  I know if I was a lake survey company I would have already been doing it.  Talk about a gold mine waiting to happen.




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by permo on 08/25/2009 1:44 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
permo
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Location: ND
They also did Oahe, which is awesome. Really helps keep me on alert when I am crossing areas of submerged stumps as identified on the chip. Very handy.  They surveyed fifteen lakes in ND and SD with Oahe and Devils being the only ones in ND.  The majority are SD Glacials like waubay and enemy swim.   Oahe surely was a great project, I would assume that sak would be even more ambitions.


Luveyes, I stil have to see your rig. It sounds pretty cool.
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:47 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
I just looked at the Lakemaster website.  They say their map for Oahe was based from 1580 elevation.  Didn't Lake Oahe reach upwards of 1610 this year?  They did surveys via 4 wheelers or something when the lake was at 1580 and shot up to 1610?  Or did they go crazy fancy and do it via LIDAR or something?  I have lots of questions.  I'll have to drop them a note.

As you can see, I like GIS & GPS stuff




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 1:52 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND

They state "shaded areas".  I wonder if they are referring to HD maps where they took shaded relief topo type maps and are calling that the tree areas, etc.  Not sure, will send and email.




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by luveyes on 08/25/2009 1:52 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
luveyes
Joined: 08/16/2004
Location: ND

Tim,

If you have something that could be slideshow on DVD I can play it.  Chips are always better....  I have $$$.  I have no understanding of topo, areal, LIDAR, overlays, etc.  I just want a hotrod chip or series of areal photos on CD that I can reference.


Permo,

You know where I live and never stop by..  Cant expect me to drag the boat through towm just to look at it!!!!  Most all of my eves are open..

YES, I am that foolish!
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 2:01 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
luveyes,

It would have to be something that I'd have to talk with you more on.  Like I said, Korey was definitely considering adding extra goodies to the NDtrax updates in the future to show lots more valuable data.

Now for the slideshow and DVD type stuff I don't think that would work with what we need to have done.  Things need to be talking with mapping software so I highly doubt we can go a DVD route.  Like I said, we can b.s. about it more.

Hopefully Korey can escape the daily grind and drop some comments in.  I might have over-spoke on some things but I just get excited when talking maps!  Ha ha!




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by permo on 08/25/2009 2:05 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
permo
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Location: ND
not sure how they did oahe, but it is pretty good, at least around cattail to beaver it is.  Within 3-5 foot of being accurate I would say.  I wonder if they didn't somehow map when It was super low, i am not sure.   I know the used boats on Devils, I heard of people spotting  them out there when they were surveying. 
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 2:10 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND
Yeah it says on the website they collected data on Mill Bay.  I don't even know where that is.  I should broaden my horizons .  I do know where Old Mill Lodge is at though




 
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Re: Lakemaster Chip
by luveyes on 08/25/2009 2:49 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
luveyes
Joined: 08/16/2004
Location: ND
Id love to have a lengthy discussion.  Always willing to learn...

YES, I am that foolish!
Re: Lakemaster Chip
by Tim Sandstrom on 08/25/2009 2:56 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
I asked, and I received:

Hello Tim,

1. We did complete some surveying on Devils Lake, especially
in the New Mill Bay area. Regarding the rest of the lake, we reprocessed
all of the depth soundings from the NDGFD. We also updated shorelines
using the most recent aerial imagery.

I kinda figured this would be the answer.  Not quite sure what reprocessed of the depth soundings means.  My guess is they took the soundings and made the 1 foot contours.  NDGF could offer the same but they were happy with the 5 foot contours they pulled from the data.  I believe they are going to offer 3 foot contours on DL this year.  Really, is 1 foot that big of a deal on Devils Lake?  I asked that because it is a pretty subtle lake isn't it?  Or maybe it is nice?  Don't know.

2. Lake Oahe was a different data collection and process used. We acquired
LIDAR data that was obtained when the lake was at it lowest level. Now, as it is
filling back up with water, we have without a question, the most detailed and
accurate map ever created for this body of water.

Three cheers for brains!  I don't know how they acquired the LIDAR or from where but LIDAR is good stuff.  I wish the Army Corp of Engineers and NDGF could have reached an agreement and did Lake Sakakawea the same way.  Talk about a missed opportunity.  My guess was right on their map, however.  I figured they must have used LIDAR otherwise their map was going to be based off old topo and that would have been basically garbage.  Nice job Lakemaster! 

Both of our maps are the most accurate on the market, plus the product also includes several other high-definition lakes for the Glacial Lakes area in South Dakota:

http://www.lakemap.com/digitalgpsmap-lowrancedakotas.aspx

If you have further questions, please contact us.

Best Regards,

LakeMaster Lake Maps
Technical Support Group




 
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