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Killing of Deer

by , Posted to on 01/06/2011 5:18 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/23/2008
Location: ND
The Bismarck Tribune has released a story about a farmer who has killed numerous deer that hav invaded his feedlot. Supposedly, this has gone on for a number of years. My question is simple. Does he enroll his land in the PLOTS program or does he post his land denying access to anyone that asks to help reduce the annual problem that he experiences. I could not get the story to copy and paste to this site. Check it out and ponder about this yourselves.
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by on 01/06/2011 6:05 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/30/2010
Location: nd
I don't know the specifics either but unless this guy owns the whole township and posts everything I don't think he's at fault. Once deer locate a food source they'll come for miles when the going gets tough. The thing he is at fault for is shooting deer. Putting up an 8 1/2 ft. fence arround his hay will solve the problem unless it's subject to wind so the snow blows in. Then he'll have to run a snowblower periodically. Been there...
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by on 01/06/2011 6:07 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2004
Location: ND
if its the guy i thinking of the deer have been DESTROYING his hay bales in his farmyard and corrals... lives on the outer edge of town with not a whole lot of "hunting" land. mostly just corral and hay piles. he also told us he let more than 20 hunters in this year to shoot them

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by on 01/06/2011 7:17 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: ND
If there is nowhere to hunt and he is surrounded by neighbors, why is he shooting them and how safe is that? He has a long history of shooting deer and not using the hay fences he has been provided.

It's not that bad.

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by on 01/06/2011 7:18 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/09/2009
Location: ND
This is a lot more complicated than it sounds. Should be interesting how the Supreme Court deals with it.
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by on 01/06/2011 7:39 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/09/2009
Location: ND
 

Burleigh County man could serve four days in jail for dead deer


A Burleigh County man who pleaded guilty to killing deer on his feedlot could end up spending four days in jail for 17 Class A misdemeanors.

However, South Central District Judge Bruce Haskell won’t make William Dethloff serve the sentence he handed down on Thursday until he has a chance to appeal the case to the North Dakota Supreme Court.

Dethloff entered a conditional guilty plea to eight counts of unlawful taking of big game and nine counts of unlawful possession of big game in October. He has admitted to shooting numerous deer on his feedlot near the Missouri River over the past 20 years but says he did so to protect his feed from hungry deer during wintertime. Dethloff also says North Dakota Game and Fish knew he was killing deer for years and did not adequately help him protect his feed from the animals.

A conditional guilty plea means a defendant could take back the plea if a higher court agrees with him over legal issues involved in the case.

Haskell sentenced Dethloff to one year in prison with all but four days suspended and two years of unsupervised probation. He ordered him to pay $8,500 in restitution for the deer and $1,350 in court fines and fees. The  judge also stripped Dethloff of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for three years. Haskell granted a stay of execution of sentence pending appeal, meaning Dethloff will not have to serve the sentence until after an appeal is resolved.

Dethloff was charged after neighbors called North Dakota Game and Fish in February 2010. Game wardens found some dead deer in plain sight and others buried in snow.

Dethloff, who was fined $200 in 1997 for shooting 56 deer, said Game and Fish wardens knew he was shooting deer to protect his feed supplies but did nothing about it. However, Game and Fish wardens said they had no evidence of Dethloff shooting deer until February 2010, though a Bismarck-area warden said she regularly stopped to check in with the Dethloffs since the 1997 case.

After the 1997 case, Game and Fish gave Dethloff materials to fence in a hay yard, but he and his daughter, Julie, said the yard would have been too small so they tried to use the materials in other ways to keep deer out. After the February incident, Game and Fish gave the Dethloffs items designed to scare deer by making noise, but Julie Dethloff said they only worked for a few days before deer caught on, and neighbors called the sheriff’s department over the noise created by them..

The Dethloffs said they offered over the years to haul the deer to Game and Fish land or kill and process deer on their land and donate the meat to people in need.

Haskell said he was sentencing Dethloff to serve time in jail due to his previous conviction for the same thing, the “sheer number” of animals killed and the fact that the deer were killed and left to rot.

Haskell had ruled earlier that Dethloff could not use the defense of protecting his land and feed from deer as the offenses were “strict liability” crimes in which the state only had to prove that Dethloff had shot the deer. His attorney, Daniel Oster, has indicated that is what will be appealed to the Supreme Court.

“I’m certainly not unsympathetic to landowners who have these issues,” the judge said

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by on 01/06/2011 9:00 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2009
Location: ND



 A good dog would have solved his problem.  

Life is good.


 2+2=4 

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by on 01/06/2011 9:05 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/05/2010
Location: nd
Stubborn guy. Did anyone watch Wild Justice last night on nat. geo? Ol' douch shot a deer because it was in his garden.
 
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by on 01/06/2011 9:14 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Fined $200 for 56 deer???
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by on 01/06/2011 9:16 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: nd
IntroC Said:
Fined $200 for 56 deer???


Haha, yeah. Clown should have been thrown in the clink
 
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by on 01/06/2011 9:18 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/19/2001
Location: ND
My uncle used to shoot deer all the time when they got into his hay.

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by on 01/06/2011 10:16 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
drayweb Said:
My uncle used to shoot deer all the time when they got into his hay.


2 wrongs don't make a right
Life is good.


 2+2=4 

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by on 01/06/2011 11:33 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/24/2006
Location: ND
Do you shoot a stray dog when it comes and raises hell with your cattle(property)? 
Deer distroying large amounts of his hay(property).... Hmmm

Is there a difference?
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by on 01/06/2011 11:41 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/23/2008
Location: ND
WHAT A WASTE OF MEAT. 56 DEER TO THE TROOPS WOULD BE WORTH $200.
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by on 01/07/2011 00:28 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: nd
buckrub Said:
Do you shoot a stray dog when it comes and raises hell with your cattle(property)? 
Deer distroying large amounts of his hay(property).... Hmmm

Is there a difference?

 Yeah. There's a season on deer. There's no limit on stray dogs. Cant say Ive ever heard of a guy shooting 56 dogs either.
 
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by on 01/07/2011 06:08 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/19/2001
Location: ND
Here's a picture of my uncles hay fence that the Wyoming Game and Fish helped him build.

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by on 01/07/2011 07:10 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: nd
I HUNT DOWN THERE . HE WILL LET U HUNT ......DEER POPULATION IS CRAZY COME WINTER.......I would say 500 deer or more at times........instead of cows at the bunks its deer.. eatin everything..I dont blame him a bit......if you were in his shoes you would shoot them 2.......get your extra tages and go north  of bismarck and get some meat for your self and help the guy out.........ask first thow... just hang out in the barn, they come right in at dark..... 
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by on 01/07/2011 07:58 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
BringingTheRain Said:
Stubborn old bastard. Did anyone watch Wild Justice last night on nat. geo? Ol' douch shot a deer because it was in his garden.


Yes i saw that he said it was destroyomg them but there was no  damage. That show is great though

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by on 01/07/2011 09:17 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND

BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

 
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by on 01/07/2011 09:18 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND
Double stacked woven wire with some judicious snow removal (which im sure he's already doing near the stack) would largely solve his problems and this issue.
 
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by on 01/07/2011 11:15 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
T-ROY Said:
I HUNT DOWN THERE . HE WILL LET U HUNT ......DEER POPULATION IS CRAZY COME WINTER.......I would say 500 deer or more at times........instead of cows at the bunks its deer.. eatin everything..I dont blame him a bit......if you were in his shoes you would shoot them 2.......get your extra tages and go north  of bismarck and get some meat for your self and help the guy out.........ask first thow... just hang out in the barn, they come right in at dark..... 

If I was in his shoes I would have a blue heeler or something that  in my yard and no deer.   If  you wannabe a farmer you should have a farm dog. 


Life is good.


 2+2=4 

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