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Killing of Deer

The Bismarck Tribune has released a story about a farmer who has killed numerous deer that hav invaded his feedlot. Supposedly, this has gone on for a number of years. My question is simple. Does he enroll his land in the PLOTS program or does he post his land denying access to anyone that asks to help reduce the annual problem that he experiences. I could not get the story to copy and paste to this site. Check it out and ponder about this yourselves.

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I don't know the specifics either but unless this guy owns the whole township and posts everything I don't think he's at fault. Once deer locate a food source they'll come for miles when the going gets tough. The thing he is at fault for is shooting deer. Putting up an 8 1/2 ft. fence arround his hay will solve the problem unless it's subject to wind so the snow blows in. Then he'll have to run a snowblower periodically. Been there...

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if its the guy i thinking of the deer have been DESTROYING his hay bales in his farmyard and corrals... lives on the outer edge of town with not a whole lot of "hunting" land. mostly just corral and hay piles. he also told us he let more than 20 hunters in this year to shoot them

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If there is nowhere to hunt and he is surrounded by neighbors, why is he shooting them and how safe is that? He has a long history of shooting deer and not using the hay fences he has been provided.

It's not that bad.

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This is a lot more complicated than it sounds. Should be interesting how the Supreme Court deals with it.

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Burleigh County man could serve four days in jail for dead deer

A Burleigh County man who pleaded guilty to killing deer on his feedlot could end up spending four days in jail for 17 Class A misdemeanors.

However, South Central District Judge Bruce Haskell won’t make William Dethloff serve the sentence he handed down on Thursday until he has a chance to appeal the case to the North Dakota Supreme Court.

Dethloff entered a conditional guilty plea to eight counts of unlawful taking of big game and nine counts of unlawful possession of big game in October. He has admitted to shooting numerous deer on his feedlot near the Missouri River over the past 20 years but says he did so to protect his feed from hungry deer during wintertime. Dethloff also says North Dakota Game and Fish knew he was killing deer for years and did not adequately help him protect his feed from the animals.

A conditional guilty plea means a defendant could take back the plea if a higher court agrees with him over legal issues involved in the case.

Haskell sentenced Dethloff to one year in prison with all but four days suspended and two years of unsupervised probation. He ordered him to pay $8,500 in restitution for the deer and $1,350 in court fines and fees. The  judge also stripped Dethloff of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for three years. Haskell granted a stay of execution of sentence pending appeal, meaning Dethloff will not have to serve the sentence until after an appeal is resolved.

Dethloff was charged after neighbors called North Dakota Game and Fish in February 2010. Game wardens found some dead deer in plain sight and others buried in snow.

Dethloff, who was fined $200 in 1997 for shooting 56 deer, said Game and Fish wardens knew he was shooting deer to protect his feed supplies but did nothing about it. However, Game and Fish wardens said they had no evidence of Dethloff shooting deer until February 2010, though a Bismarck-area warden said she regularly stopped to check in with the Dethloffs since the 1997 case.

After the 1997 case, Game and Fish gave Dethloff materials to fence in a hay yard, but he and his daughter, Julie, said the yard would have been too small so they tried to use the materials in other ways to keep deer out. After the February incident, Game and Fish gave the Dethloffs items designed to scare deer by making noise, but Julie Dethloff said they only worked for a few days before deer caught on, and neighbors called the sheriff’s department over the noise created by them..

The Dethloffs said they offered over the years to haul the deer to Game and Fish land or kill and process deer on their land and donate the meat to people in need.

Haskell said he was sentencing Dethloff to serve time in jail due to his previous conviction for the same thing, the “sheer number” of animals killed and the fact that the deer were killed and left to rot.

Haskell had ruled earlier that Dethloff could not use the defense of protecting his land and feed from deer as the offenses were “strict liability” crimes in which the state only had to prove that Dethloff had shot the deer. His attorney, Daniel Oster, has indicated that is what will be appealed to the Supreme Court.

“I’m certainly not unsympathetic to landowners who have these issues,” the judge said

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 A good dog would have solved his problem.  

 

 

 

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Stubborn guy. Did anyone watch Wild Justice last night on nat. geo? Ol' douch shot a deer because it was in his garden.

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Fined $200 for 56 deer???

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Fined $200 for 56 deer???

Haha, yeah. Clown should have been thrown in the clink

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My uncle used to shoot deer all the time when they got into his hay.

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My uncle used to shoot deer all the time when they got into his hay.

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Do you shoot a stray dog when it comes and raises hell with your cattle(property)? 
Deer distroying large amounts of his hay(property).... Hmmm

Is there a difference?

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WHAT A WASTE OF MEAT. 56 DEER TO THE TROOPS WOULD BE WORTH $200.

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Do you shoot a stray dog when it comes and raises hell with your cattle(property)? 
Deer distroying large amounts of his hay(property).... Hmmm

Is there a difference?

 Yeah. There's a season on deer. There's no limit on stray dogs. Cant say Ive ever heard of a guy shooting 56 dogs either.

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Here's a picture of my uncles hay fence that the Wyoming Game and Fish helped him build.

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I HUNT DOWN THERE . HE WILL LET U HUNT ......DEER POPULATION IS CRAZY COME WINTER.......I would say 500 deer or more at times........instead of cows at the bunks its deer.. eatin everything..I dont blame him a bit......if you were in his shoes you would shoot them 2.......get your extra tages and go north  of bismarck and get some meat for your self and help the guy out.........ask first thow... just hang out in the barn, they come right in at dark..... 

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Stubborn old bastard. Did anyone watch Wild Justice last night on nat. geo? Ol' douch shot a deer because it was in his garden.

Yes i saw that he said it was destroyomg them but there was no  damage. That show is great though


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BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

 

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Double stacked woven wire with some judicious snow removal (which im sure he's already doing near the stack) would largely solve his problems and this issue.

 

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I HUNT DOWN THERE . HE WILL LET U HUNT ......DEER POPULATION IS CRAZY COME WINTER.......I would say 500 deer or more at times........instead of cows at the bunks its deer.. eatin everything..I dont blame him a bit......if you were in his shoes you would shoot them 2.......get your extra tages and go north  of bismarck and get some meat for your self and help the guy out.........ask first thow... just hang out in the barn, they come right in at dark..... 

If I was in his shoes I would have a blue heeler or something that  in my yard and no deer.   If  you wannabe a farmer you should have a farm dog. 

 

 

 

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with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

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I grew up on a farm so I know the issue.  The thing is as many of you mentioned above there are other ways to deal with the problem other than just shooting deer.  Most of the guys that do that are just trying to make some kind of statement.  Dogs DO work and so do fences along with quite a few other techniques.  I'm not saying I have this particular guy figured out but that is a lot of times the case.  They get away with it and will continue as this is a gray area between land owners and the game and fish until someone gets strung up bigtime and a statement is made. 

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with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

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BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

Keeping deer away from Hay is a very very difficult task.  have you ever had a hunting dog that seems to always dig his way out of his fenced area?  IT is kind of like that.  even with fences deer can do damage to hay and hay isn't free.  Everyone just needs to relax a little.

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I grew up on a farm so I know the issue.  The thing is as many of you mentioned above there are other ways to deal with the problem other than just shooting deer.  Most of the guys that do that are just trying to make some kind of statement.  Dogs DO work and so do fences along with quite a few other techniques.  I'm not saying I have this particular guy figured out but that is a lot of times the case.  They get away with it and will continue as this is a gray area between land owners and the game and fish until someone gets strung up bigtime and a statement is made. 

agreed

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BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

have you offerd YOUR help on building the fence?

 i do not think it is right to kill the deer i will go help him build this fence who else will go?

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BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

Keeping deer away from Hay is a very very difficult task.  have you ever had a hunting dog that seems to always dig his way out of his fenced area?  IT is kind of like that.  even with fences deer can do damage to hay and hay isn't free.  Everyone just needs to relax a little.

Yes it is.

And its a lot harder when you make no honest effort to keep them from the hay other than slinging lead at em.

Build a fence (it sounds like he was given some material to do so). You want to keep something in? Build a fence! Wanna keep somethingout? Build a fence!

Shooting accomplishes little (as apparent by the fact he's been doing it for years) other than giving him some apparent entertainment.

Its stupid simple. Is it 100%? No, but it keeps the majority in/out.

 

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barebackjack Said:

Enslow Said:

barebackjack Said:

BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

Keeping deer away from Hay is a very very difficult task.  have you ever had a hunting dog that seems to always dig his way out of his fenced area?  IT is kind of like that.  even with fences deer can do damage to hay and hay isn't free.  Everyone just needs to relax a little.

Yes it is.

And its a lot harder when you make no honest effort to keep them from the hay other than slinging lead at em.

Build a fence (it sounds like he was given some material to do so). You want to keep something in? Build a fence! Wanna keep somethingout? Build a fence!

Shooting accomplishes little (as apparent by the fact he's been doing it for years) other than giving him some apparent entertainment.

Its stupid simple. Is it 100%? No, but it keeps the majority in/out.

It isn't stupid simple to keep large herds of deer away from hay during the winter in ND.  Im not saying you should be shooting the deer without proper licensing but i do understand how difficult it is too keep deer and turkeys out of hay.

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with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

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fishing farmer Said:

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BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

have you offerd YOUR help on building the fence?

 i do not think it is right to kill the deer i will go help him build this fence who else will go?

I didnt see anyone offering to help me fix my car when a deer hit it (yes, the deer hit me, I was at a complete stop).

It cost me money, cost me lost production time as instead of being at work I was getting my car fixed. It impacted my ability to make money.

I guess it also gives me free rein to go poach a bunch of deer now.

Good to know.

 

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barebackjack Said:

Enslow Said:

barebackjack Said:

BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

Keeping deer away from Hay is a very very difficult task.  have you ever had a hunting dog that seems to always dig his way out of his fenced area?  IT is kind of like that.  even with fences deer can do damage to hay and hay isn't free.  Everyone just needs to relax a little.

Yes it is.

And its a lot harder when you make no honest effort to keep them from the hay other than slinging lead at em.

Build a fence (it sounds like he was given some material to do so). You want to keep something in? Build a fence! Wanna keep somethingout? Build a fence!

Shooting accomplishes little (as apparent by the fact he's been doing it for years) other than giving him some apparent entertainment.

Its stupid simple. Is it 100%? No, but it keeps the majority in/out.

Game and Fish gave him some fence. He built it wrong. Said he didnt want the hassle of having to get out of the tractor to open and close the gates 4 times a day.

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barebackjack Said:

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barebackjack Said:

BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

have you offerd YOUR help on building the fence?

 i do not think it is right to kill the deer i will go help him build this fence who else will go?

I didnt see anyone offering to help me fix my car when a deer hit it (yes, the deer hit me, I was at a complete stop).

It cost me money, cost me lost production time as instead of being at work I was getting my car fixed. It impacted my ability to make money.

I guess it also gives me free rein to go poach a bunch of deer now.

Good to know.

so u would rather sit and complain then help fix the problem?

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Well, in light of changes in whats apparently ok and whats not, unless G&F provides me the materials to build the fence, and a bunch of you strangers come out and build it for me, im just gonna shoot the deer in my garden this year.

 

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barebackjack Said:

BUILD A FENCE!

There are MUCH better ways to keep deer out of stuff than shooting some. One would think that after an alleged 20 years of fighting a problem, one would come up with a better way.

Or, he just likes shooting a load of deer every year.

Build a damn fence and be done with it!

Im sure some farmer/rancher will say "but that costs money", la de da, if he's really losing that much money to the deer EVERY year for 20 YEARS, a fence is chump change compared to what they're eating up.

Keeping deer away from Hay is a very very difficult task.  have you ever had a hunting dog that seems to always dig his way out of his fenced area?  IT is kind of like that.  even with fences deer can do damage to hay and hay isn't free.  Everyone just needs to relax a little.

Yes it is.

And its a lot harder when you make no honest effort to keep them from the hay other than slinging lead at em.

Build a fence (it sounds like he was given some material to do so). You want to keep something in? Build a fence! Wanna keep somethingout? Build a fence!

Shooting accomplishes little (as apparent by the fact he's been doing it for years) other than giving him some apparent entertainment.

Its stupid simple. Is it 100%? No, but it keeps the majority in/out.

Game and Fish gave him some fence. He built it wrong. Said he didnt want the hassle of having to get out of the tractor to open and close the gates 4 times a day.

u can buy drive threw fence gates  if he is too lazy to get out of tractor   he needs to envest in them less than a $200 fine 

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Well, in light of changes in whats apparently ok and whats not, unless G&F provides me the materials to build the fence, and a bunch of you strangers come out and build it for me, im just gonna shoot the deer in my garden this year.

u need to grow up

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This guy has no excuse. The GNF offered him the fencing materials and labor to assist him. He refused because he was to dang lazy to open a gate or incompetant to put an auto gate up. You can't help someone who refuses to help themselves!

Hopefully he learns something by sitting in jail for a few days, but I seriously doubt it!

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Well, in light of changes in whats apparently ok and whats not, unless G&F provides me the materials to build the fence, and a bunch of you strangers come out and build it for me, im just gonna shoot the deer in my garden this year.

u need to grow up

Says the person using "u" instead of "you".

 

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This guy has no excuse. The GNF offered him the fencing materials and labor to assist him. He refused because he was to dang lazy to open a gate or incompetant to put an auto gate up. You can't help someone who refuses to help themselves!

Hopefully he learns something by sitting in jail for a few days, but I seriously doubt it!

i say let him sit  in jail !!!

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This guy has no excuse. The GNF offered him the fencing materials and labor to assist him. He refused because he was to dang lazy to open a gate or incompetant to put an auto gate up. You can't help someone who refuses to help themselves!

Hopefully he learns something by sitting in jail for a few days, but I seriously doubt it!

i say let him sit  in jail !!!

That is the only logical penalty for his actions over the years.

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so why doesnt the g&f just offer the guy money to remburse him for the bales the deer eat, and just let the deer eat all winter. we can all work together

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u can buy drive threw fence gates  if he is too lazy to get out of tractor   he needs to envest in them less than a $200 fine 

Yup, and this is the same guy you said we should help build the fence.

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with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

That comment was pure genius...

It's no wonder why land owner/hunter relations are strained these days. 
Get a clue!

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u can buy drive threw fence gates  if he is too lazy to get out of tractor   he needs to envest in them less than a $200 fine 

Yup, and this is the same guy you said we should help build the fence.

it is better to help? or complain?

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with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

That comment was pure genius...

It's no wonder why land owner/hunter relations are strained these days. 
Get a clue!

Of course it was genius, most common sense comments are I get along fine with the farmers land that I hunt with. They aren't cry babies.

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u can buy drive threw fence gates  if he is too lazy to get out of tractor   he needs to envest in them less than a $200 fine 

Yup, and this is the same guy you said we should help build the fence.

it is better to help? or complain?

Complaining in this case. Spoon feeding doesn't solve every situation.

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fishing farmer Said:
with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

That comment was pure genius...

It's no wonder why land owner/hunter relations are strained these days. 
Get a clue!

Of course it was genius, most common sense comments are I get along fine with the farmers land that I hunt with. They aren't cry babies.

didnt think it was for the farmer/rancher to help fix the fence. it was for the deer and to help out the game and fish deptment  so they can work on other projects

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BringingTheRain Said:

buckrub Said:

BringingTheRain Said:

fishing farmer Said:

fishing farmer Said:
with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

That comment was pure genius...

It's no wonder why land owner/hunter relations are strained these days. 
Get a clue!

Of course it was genius, most common sense comments are I get along fine with the farmers land that I hunt with. They aren't cry babies.

send a few of your posts to them and see how they feel about you then

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fishing farmer Said:

fishing farmer Said:
with all you guys complain who has offered to help hime build fence

i better correct this now

with all you guys complaining who has offered to help him build  fence

Ooooh, I dont think any farmers, anywhere, need any help with anything. They get quite a bit handed to them the way it is.

That comment was pure genius...

It's no wonder why land owner/hunter relations are strained these days. 
Get a clue!

Of course it was genius, most common sense comments are I get along fine with the farmers land that I hunt with. They aren't cry babies.

send a few of your posts to them and see how they feel about you then

lol... took the words right out of my mouth!

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jig_n_em Said:
so why doesnt the g&f just offer the guy money to remburse him for the bales the deer eat, and just let the deer eat all winter. we can all work together

They don't just eat, they ruin far more by pi$$ing & $hitting all over it.

It's also a habitual thing, start out with 20-30, next year there's 40, etc.

The solution is rather simple, fence the deer out. He refuses, now he can deal with the consequences!

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Beef is 10 times better then deer.  Save the beef!!!!!! 

 

"Any deer is a trophy, as long as its over 160 inches.  So if your not shooting 160 inch deer its not a trophy.  Don't don't fool yourself and say it is cause it isn't."  BT

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