Somebody is looking to get their a$$ handed to them.

3XGutshot Said:
Somebody is looking to get their a$$ handed to them.

Do you really think so? With the spineless WH we have now?

This is actually pretty simple. Who is going to cave first? The U.S. and Isreal that receive only a fraction of its oil from Iran (Isreal probably gets none) or Iran after we cut off 80% of its revenue? C'mon guys. They are just blowing smoke. It would help alot though if some other countries, China and Russia for example, to step up to the plate and also sanction them. In fact, China is really staring to irritate me. If they want to run with the big dog and be the next world cop, they better start acting like it.

I sent a basket of cookies to Iran today.  I think they'll read my card and completely change their minds about everything.

Of course Iran is blowing smoke.  They realize that their Navy is no match for any other Navy in the world.  Heck, even the French Navy could take them and that's after they waved a white flag in surrender which the French like to do.

mauserG33-40 Said:

3XGutshot Said:
Somebody is looking to get their a$$ handed to them.

Do you really think so? With the spineless WH we have now?

Hey, 3X!  Just what we need - another stupid war!  I can hardly wait!!    But lets wait till after the beginning civil war in Iraq and we get all those refugees settled around USA.   Where do you live?  Lets send some to your neighborhood!  Snow got all the Hmong - now its your turn!  
 And lets wait till after we figure out how to treat and pay for the milennia of medical and psychological problems and disabilities our present  poor veterans and their families will need for at least one generation, maybe even more, before we produce a new crop - or will we simply forget them.....We'll be paying dirfectly or indirectly for those poor people  even longer than our stupid national debt!    I probably won't be here, but I'll be watching and  laughing over your shoulders 3X and most of you others when you grab your checkbook on April 15!   So enough chest pounding from the ultra right, becasue IMHO on this you are ultra WRONG!

This sort of posturing stuff has been going on all through history, especially in the middle east.   Especially with Arabs.  Arabs are past masters at the art of this sort of things - Persians even better at it.  Lets learn fvrom history and the mistakes of others.
Besides American voters wouldn't tolerate having our A$$es handed to us again, IMHO!

Luckily cooler and smarter heads than those on FBO or Fox news, or Armament companies will be making the decisons about what to do about it!    We need Ron Paul in there, or at least Ron Paul's ideas about swallowing our pride and staying home, even though non belligerance and non arrogance is a foreign concept to 3X and his kin!
Lets see - We need Ron Paul's ideas on avoiding expensive stupid wars, Gingrich's great ideas on a bunch of social and economic issues, Romney's good business accumen, Jefferson's ideas of tossing out any interference with State affairs by any and ALL religions  - heck, EVEN Obama comes up with the occasional good  idea.- well, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, anyway. 

it'll get ugly with the war monger we have in the white house

Bobkat, one question, how have we got it handed to us in the current war (s)?

Regardless, a conflict with Iran would be of a different nature than the current ones. I don't think it would involve any ground troops at all. I don't think there would be a need and Iran's biggest strength is a large, well-trained standing army. It wouldn't take a brilliant military strategist to simply circumvent that problem by simply leveling the whole country from the sea and air until they gave up. Aside from that, it wont come to that anyway. They will have to back down for monetary reasons. And aside from that, it is Britain, Germany and France that want to sanction their oil exports. We didnt even instigate it.

Within 12 hours after our last troops left Iraq (remember - few Iraquiis showed up at our ceremonies!)  there were ?14? bombs went off killing close to a hundred and wounding close to 200, and it hasn't let up much with deaths and wounding and mutilations added daily. . Why should we care - they're only camel hacks anyway.  Each group, Sunnis, Kurds,Christians, and a bunch of lesser sects all are demanding their own countries and warlords vying for their own fifedoms are popping up like popcorn.   Most people predicted a bloody civil war once we left, which is what is exactly what's starting over there  and will contiue.  Now I know what the gloom and doom predictors meant when they predicted 'destabilizing the area'  before we glibly  'took out' Saddam!  
So our thousands of American dead and tens of thousands Iraqui dead were for??  yeah - to get rid of a bad guy and his goons and to try to bring democracy there - what about the dozens, if not even hundreds  of other bad guy leaders around the world that were and are FAR worse!?!  Where do we stop?   Saddam was an alter boy compared with a lot of these other goons.
We went into Afganistan with solid support of our aliies and most of the world, then attacked Iraq with much less support and like it or not we lost tremndous face in the world.   Hate to say it, but read the international news and commontaries - we ARE mistrusted by a lot of countries that fornerly loved us and really respected us  before Iraq..   Ron Paul is darned right on this, too.  Did we win or have our butt handed to us?   Different opinions again I.
The cost in both monitary and human factors, plus arguably not accomplishing anything worth while and leaving more huge future debts for 50 - 60 years for its aftermath is "handed our butts to us" in my book.   You can agree to disagree with me on that, though.   I've nol problem with that at all. 
I won't mention Viet Nam which most military historians agree could not have been won even with nuclear power on Hanoi - then China?  then Russia??  - we underestimate the resolve of those third world people and our own space aged technical abilities that don't work as well as we'd like in the types of fights that are going on over there..  I anticipate many posting about "we'd have won in Viet Nam if the politicians would have lets us .blah blah balh!"   And next year Santa Claus will leave me........ 
So fuel up the 747's and start the asylum refugee airlifts, clean out those spare rooms everybody, we're getting guests.....I'd LOL is it wasn't so tragic.  There's  more trillions of bucks out of taxpayer pockets in the forseeable future.  Ramifications after ramifications and its not gonna end.... If that's winning the war, we must have different definitions of sucess..
We've been in Afganistan for over 10 years - a bit under 4 for WW2  we got Bin Laden, lucky to do that too, and lost the support from the majority of our friends, too - heaven help us if some real new justified war comes up - not many friendly country voluteers will jump in with us I'm predicting.  Our objective was to get Bin Laden, so why not agree with Ron Paul - get the heck out of there and next time stay home and look for a better way to deal with things. And best of all, stay out of things unless the absolutely LAST resort! 
Korea?  A different time and place, a justified war IMO.   We won in one sense, and lost in others.   But for the age we did as well as we could possibly do, but no butts were handed around to either side, just a lot of dead soldiers, and stay tuned cause its not over yet..
 
I'm no military stratagist but you are right, Meelosh.  Obviously Iran would be blown out of the water (pun intended)  in a big hurry if they did try anything, but the Iran bad guys know that, too.  Which is why I hope our leaders would not overreact, knowing that it is all a bunch of testing pompous nonsense they are doing in reaction to well deserved sanctions that are  backed by a healthy share of the world, unlike Iraq or Vietnam.  Their present nonsense just might indicate that the sanctions are being felt?  i dunno...
Though many might not agree, Iranians are not stupid either and though they yell and holler, they'd likely not do anything real.   If and when they do start something, go after them then, but if we react first and overreact, in my opinion, world opinion against us will be severe, even from our allies like Brittain and most others. 
Someone posted "another Gulf of Tonkin?'  Sure could be - nobody agrees on exactly what happened there either, and the fear is that with two sides posturing back and forth in close proximity some fluke or accidental naval fender bender  might happen to touch off a shooting war.   . 

bobkat,  you are even dumber than I thought.  You may as well change your name to Neville Chamberlain.  Ron Paul's foreign policy would be a disaster and the world would be held hostage by tyrants but of course you are too stupid to realize it.  I never said anything about promoting a war against Iran.   Unfortunately THEIR attitude will probably force the issue.   Their behavior will be their demise.  If they choose to cut off oil supplies and tamper with free trade in the world they will get their a$$es kicked one way or the other.   If they choose to not sell oil to the world that is their business but they have no right in stopping free trade.   Can you imagine the uproar if the USA tried to stop grain exports out of Canada? 

Aha yes the Gulf of Tonkin,we have learned so much since this attack on a US war ship.

This time I think we should send fish,hennry,and Obama each with a box of Tim's cookies to reason with the leadership of Iran for say a day or two,after that turn the landscape of Iran into a glowing red color and let God figure out who is right and who is wrong!!

Mauser-How about you spare the escalation of another war and unnecessary loss of life as well as monetary expense by accepting  one on one combat with the best Iranian girl scout the country has to offer.  Winner takes all!  For a a warm up to the big fight you could have a dialectic discussion with an illiterate,  goat herder to show them your intellectual energy as well.  We're all pulling for you! 

Forget the cookies, this is serious!

fishmahn Said:
Mauser-How about you spare the escalation of another war and unnecessary loss of life as well as monetary expense by accepting  one on one combat with the best Iranian girl scout the country has to offer.  Winner takes all!  For a a warm up to the big fight you could have a dialectic discussion with an illiterate,  goat herder to show them your intellectual energy as well.  We're all pulling for you! 

Forget the cookies, this is serious!

Haha, that was pretty good fish!!

Pucker up boys! Gas prices are gonna shoot through the roof.

fishmahn Said:
Mauser-How about you spare the escalation of another war and unnecessary loss of life as well as monetary expense by accepting  one on one combat with the best Iranian girl scout the country has to offer.  Winner takes all!  For a a warm up to the big fight you could have a dialectic discussion with an illiterate,  goat herder to show them your intellectual energy as well.  We're all pulling for you! 

Forget the cookies, this is serious!

Hey genius,  who is doing the "escalating"?

Mind our own biusness let them kill each other off is much eaiser than try and fix people who dont want fixing.  As for the refuges let them solve there own problems in thier country as we have enough of our own here.

gutshot-I hadn't said anything but I bet you'd be proud to help mauser in a tag team match!!  Power on boys!

I'd like some cookies.

introC  Tim has some.  I think he may have gotten them from the girl scouts.  NOt sure if they were local or foreign.