IR or Flash Trail Cameras?

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IR or Flash Trail Cameras?

What do you guys/gals lean towards, IR or Flash Trail Cameras? Read a bunch of reviews and talked so some folks about both...seems people use IR if they're worried about theft, and the flash if there is no concern for theft. That being said what about the deer, does the flash spook them? Does the IR get decent photos? I wanna know all the details before i commit to a purchase....what do you guys/gals think?

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i have both and as far as i am concerned the flash cams are fine ...and the cuddy back is a waste of money u can get 2 or   3 other flash cams fopr the same money and u will be fine

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I have both and the batteries on the IR ones last WAY longer than the flash ones. 

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I've bought two cheap cameras and I wish I never would have done that.

I'm a fan of IR so far.  Just feel better the camera isn't throwing a flash out.  And as stated, the battery life seems better.


 

 

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gonefshn Said:
I have both and the batteries on the IR ones last WAY longer than the flash ones. 

What he said

It will aslo be nice when they are all small like a can of soup some day.

 

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i have two cheap moutries one flash one IR. I have never seen a scared or bolting deer on my flash camera. As for the IR if it turns on when its still somewhat light out you with get extremely bright pictures and can even see whats there...its also harder to count points and see the little things with the IR and both my cameras at 5 megapixels

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I know the temp has a lot to do with battery life as well, that and photos taken...that's not really an issue for me. i really wanted some first hand knowledge from folks how they operated for you. If the flash doesnt spook game i think i'll go that route.

Also what's cheap, i found a decent Moultrie D4 for $100 great reviews, i think that is a pretty decent buy. Or is that a cheapie?

5575, i have seen a few cameras that are pretty darn small, like the size of a big soup can.

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I've had both, but opted to replace my IR with a flash because I couldn't stand the blurry grayscale photos at night.  The deer seem to either not be afraid of the sudden flash or get used to it.  The IR is definitely more stealthy and the battery life is considerably longer with the internal batteries, however, my flash cameras have an external 12v battery port and I rigged one of them up with a small rechargeable 7amp hour battery and a 12v solar panel and have had awesome success with that.  It sat out all winter long because of the snow and when I was able to retrieve it this spring it took my picture just like the day I put it out.

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Here's a good talk forum among others on the site:

http://www.fishingbuddy.com/trail_cam_7_b0


 

 

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I am not so sure that they are not bothered by the flash.  I run 3 with flash and 0 with IR.  All are moultrie brand and have what I think is a slow trigger speed . Trigger speed is arguably the most important feature to consider when buying a camera.  The reason I say that some get spooked is that I have set them up in a small area with 4 scrapes and got lots of pictures but they never stayed around for a second round of pictures.  I set my cameras to a 1 minute delay so that means they are gone and didn't check out all the scrapes or the area for long.  I have also used bait for my cameras and they stay around when there is corn there but not often for long usually less than 5 minutes.  I also get some pictures where it seems to startle them.  I am going with IR in the next camera I buy but that's just my opinion and observation.  Below is a picture of a group do 4 does that seemed to get freaked out by the camera.  I have also had good bucks check out scrapes and stick around for longer too.  You decide....

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Deer are grazers, they rarely stop moving unless there is a reason to.  Even in a bait pile 5 minutes is a long time to expect a deer to stand in one place.  I'm not knocking IR cameras, but like I said I just got tired of having blurry pictures because the shutter stays open longer and the deer move their head around.  This doesn't happen all the time, but it was farely common on the i40 I had out, so I switched.  I wouldn't say that none of the deer will spook with a flash, but I think its a neglible factor, no different than lightening.  They do notice the IR cameras as well when they go off and I'm not sure if its the red glow or the fact that I know the i40's make a click when a photo is taken. 

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One thing you should try with the I40 is put it in video mode, the IR video is nice and clear plus it will take a photo as well.
Also I use the 12v stealth cam battery pac, it plugs right in the bottom of the I40.

 

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Alot of opinions! I'll share mine!  I've been running trail cameras since they first came out! In fact I still own approximately 10 of the 35mm cameras that I'd give somebody a hell of a deal on!! I will only buy infrared cameras going forward! The battery life is suberb in some cases thousands of pics and many months of service on a set of batteries! On flash cameras the power it takes to operate sucks up batteries besides identifying itself to thiefs! Flash doesn't scare all deer, but it does scare some!! and it just might be the buck your after! Is it worth the risk? Studies have been done on feeders with flash and infrared and after 4 weeks the amount of pics on the feeders setup with flash cameras is half of what it is with the feeders with infrared!!!!!!! So yes flash does scare some deer!!!! Picture quality does vary and some infrared at night can be blurry or blurry with moving animals! I am not enlarging them and hanging them on the wall, I just want to be able to identify what animals are out there, infrared does this for me. Even if the infrared cost a little more initially you'll find out it pays for itself after it goes through one set of batteries and your flash has went through 6-12 sets! Batteries are not cheap!!!!! If your a serious hunter infrared is the way to go!!! I own booth, but will buy only infrared going forward!  The better infrared cameras take great color photos during the day and black/white at night kinda giving you the best of both worlds!!!! Good luck and good hunting!!!!

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I few months ago I purchased my first trail camera, so my experience is limited, but I did research on trial cameras I feel was much more than average. I ended up purchasing a Moultrie I-40; there was a Stealth on sale next to it that was very comparable capability wise and $40 cheaper but I stuck with what I felt the research showed would be a better quality in the long run.

- So far the batteries are on the originals.
- It takes pictures if the wind blows anything astray (which I feel is good), has a 4 Gig capability (in a week's time with a 4 Gig card it has taken up to 380some pics and used just over 1/2 a Gig set at 640X480 pixels)
.- I do not worry about thieves seeing the flash in the middle of nowhere and finding my camera.
- Laser is a great option for setting up the trigger for the camera.

So far my biggest complaint is it could be designed much better to be more easily accessible to the SD card, I do not have large fumble thumbs; but I do bring tweezers or needle nose pliers with to pull out the SD card.

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Mossy has a good point with the laser aiming!  I think its a must after using it.  Its a feature I really like because the aim is important .  I don't often find perfect trees so I wedge fit the camera to the tree to get the positioning I want. 

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I have five cameras at the present time with two being IR and three flash.  I have had great luck with battery life on my Moultrie cameras with the exception of the Moultrie with the rechargable 6 volt battery.  That battery runs dead within 10-14 days.  My other two Moultries use 6 D cell batteries and will run for weeks taking as many as a 1000 pics or more.  I have two Wildview (one flash/old but takes good pics) and a new 5 mp IR.  I have my new Wildview up now but have not been able to check it's battery life to date.  I am reasonably sure the batteries are still holding well as my other older model Wildview battery life is great.  I did set up my Moultries with 12v garden tractor batteries last year fearing battery life would limit the amount of pics I would get.  A friend with the same I-40 just used the 6 d cell batteries and still had 81% battery life after taking 500+ pics.  I agree with others that the Cuddy's are over priced.  Their big claim to fame is trigger speed.  However, how and where you set up your camera is more important than trigger speed as far as I am concerned.  I too have been wondering if the flash frightens deer and I do think it may initially but in most cases the deer return night after night.  I would chose an IR over flash if given the option.  EBay sold two Moultrie I-40's (new) for $130.00 each a couple weeks ago.  At that price you can have 3 Moultires for the price of one Cuddy.  The more cameras you can afford the more you know what is going on in your hunting area.

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I have been in a treestand and took  a bunch of flash Photos of a buck it does'nt spook them at all

 

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just checked my trail cam tonight. i have a 07 moultrie 4 mega pix with flash. i just got permission from a guy on friday and set it up over a scrape. i had three different bucks on it and all the bucks on it were around the camera for a minimum of  9min, with the longest 16min. had each buck on two different days as well. IMO flash doesnt bother them a bit.

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trigger speed is VERY important if using on a trail. the i40's suck as a trail camera. they are o.k. if set over bait or scrape. the cuddies are more money but at least you get pic's of the whole deer and not the a$$e$

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pretty simple fix if using them on a trail instead of bait, simply angle the camera one way or the other down the trail a little instead of perpendicular to the trail.  That way you will have more time with the deer in the field of view to get it in the photo.

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Just ran across a video showing a buck respond to a flash camera.

http://media.bowsite.com/playvideowindow2.cfm?file=200910237473670554&id=1476