If they came for your guns, what would you do?

THIS GUY IS FROM MONTANA....READ IT, AND THAT'S ALL YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW.......I'D BET ON THE 2% THAT WILL STAND FOR THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE 2ND AMENDMENT.....THE OTHER 98 WILL CAVE......
 
I think you will find this article worth your time….At last, someone who has the courage to say it out loud!
On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Bob Howes wrote:
If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly. 
I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists.
God help us all if it ever does happen.
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
 
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
 
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
 
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
 
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
 
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
 
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government.We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
 
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
 
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein orPresident Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
 
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
 
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
 
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
 
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
 
I could find hundreds of quotes like these.This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns.Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
 
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much  in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
 
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
 
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
 
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
 
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
 
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
 
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
 
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
 
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
 
This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side.They only have their inflated egos.
 
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately.When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
 
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas and Patriotic Americans take shit off of no one, especially our own government.For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
 
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
 
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
 
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
 
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.
 
Are you willing to die to take my guns?

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Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning. 

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Do you have a link for this?

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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He stated the absolute truth---now deal with it!   If you don't want guns, don't have them.    If you do believe in your right to have guns WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS FOR UNLAWFUL GOVERNMENT CONVENIENCE, then stand for those Constitutional rights!  Don't let a power-hungry source such as the Hitler-like Obamas and Feinsteins and other anti-constitutional entities encroach what our fore-fathers set up for a proper country to be ruled by the people, for the people, and by the PEOPLE!  Impeach them if necessary.  

 
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The first thing I would do is not put what I would do on the internet and keep them wondering what I would do.  It's hard to plan for what you don't know.  Just ask Custer.  

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But, can the constitution protect you when you break an unconstitutional law? If you kill someone while defending your constitutional rights, is the death considered justified or are you a murderer who will sit in jail forever?

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I think you have to look at how a confiscation effort will actually play out. They will announce that they are coming for the guns ahead of time. Many will hide them, others will resist and yes some would allow them to be confiscated. 

To think that the US Marshals are going to just stroll into town one day, and start throwing guns in the back of a truck, and not be met by 5000 pissed off and heavily armed citizens is just nuts. There is power in numbers and when people see others resisting others will follow. 

They won't start in the midwest, they will take the easy States like NY and CA first. Even in those States there will be a 2nd "Shot heard around the world". That my friends will be the day the Patriots rise up.

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If that day comes just make sure you are holding one of those evil black "Assault Rifles!"

 

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 What guns?


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If that day comes there will be a few of them there, but there will be more with .270s, 30-6s, .308s and .243s....we won't be playing by NATO rules. 

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If that day comes just make sure you are holding one of those evil black "Assault Rifles!"
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Lycanthrope Said:
But, can the constitution protect you when you break an unconstitutional law? If you kill someone while defending your constitutional rights, is the death considered justified or are you a murderer who will sit in jail forever?

I think we know the answer to that.

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ndwalleyes Said:
If that day comes there will be a few of them there, but there will be more with .270s, 30-6s, .308s and .243s....we won't be playing by NATO rules. 

Kentucky Windage Said:
If that day comes just make sure you are holding one of those evil black "Assault Rifles!"

The OP said he believes something like  %2  will stand up for their rights, I bet it will be a TINY fraction of that.

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"this here rusty 10/22 is the only gun ive ever owned....im really going to miss it.....well here it is...now you can take me off your list and mark down you confiscated ALL my guns.....have a nice day"     ;)

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Good answer!!! 

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 What guns?

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Id shoot arrows at them

Dead animals don't need fur anyway!!!!!!!!!!
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hunttomuch Said:
Id shoot arrows at them

That would be scary as hell.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Death by cop with a longbow, that would be an awesome way to go out!

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hunttomuch Said:
Id shoot arrows at them

That would be scary as hell.

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why is it a handful of guys over two hundred years ago are smarter than our entire congressional body ???

WTF has happened ...


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“If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” 
― James Madison
 

yelowjackt Said:

why is it a handful of guys over two hundred years ago are smarter than our entire congressional body ???

WTF has happened ...

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I can't say with any degree of certainty what I would do.  It all depends on the mood I'm in. 

For instance, last night at 3:00 am I was standing on my steps in my underwear giving a double-bird to some damned straight-pipe truck driver with an over-active jake brake, whom I'm sure was looking as I flashed my porch light on and off repeatedly.  The thought of launching some sort of projectile in his direction did indeed cross my mind.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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What are the odds the gubernment has a list of all the weapons a guy has purchased since they started doing "back ground" checks?   I say they have the list at their finger tips.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

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 “If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” 
― James Madison
 

gotta get those terrorists.  haha, lots on this site who love their guns are all for an aggressive foreign policy.  And all about hunting down the "terrorists"

Got em!

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cynical Said:
What are the odds the gubernment has a list of all the weapons a guy has purchased since they started doing "back ground" checks?   I say they have the list at their finger tips.

no way.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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not to mention all of us idiots that have concealed weapon permits.   you can guarantee all of our address coordinates are keyed-in to the drone gps's.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Good answer!!! 
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 What guns?

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cynical Said:
What are the odds the gubernment has a list of all the weapons a guy has purchased since they started doing "back ground" checks?   I say they have the list at their finger tips.

no way.

A few years ago the FBI got a little flack because they didn't get rid of those recordes in the time prescribed by law.  I'll bet they still have them.

The crazy thing is I trade guns off on other guns and sell some outright.  I don't have more than a couple of guns that I had ten years ago.  Who can remember who they sold a rifle to ten  or twelve years ago?  I can't remember the guys I met at church last Sunday.  I guess there is some advantage to old age.   Advantage to the guys who buy my old used guns anyway.   I need a light 308, anyone need a 700P that groups under 1/2 inch all day long?   Scope is sold. 

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We knew that Obama is the most anti-gun candidate to ever run for President and now we have to deal with it.

I have asked this before but can anyone explain to me how anyone could have possibly seen anything positive about Barack Obama???

Seriously????

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I always laugh when I see that saying that Wisconsin has a million man army based on deer hunters alone. That's flippin funny, reality is at least 90% would turn in weapons on the first breath of confiscation. Personally I have no doubt that those lists that the FBI have kept are still there. They will surface when the time is right.

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ggenthusiast Said:

cynical Said:
What are the odds the gubernment has a list of all the weapons a guy has purchased since they started doing "back ground" checks?   I say they have the list at their finger tips.

no way.

A few years ago the FBI got a little flack because they didn't get rid of those recordes in the time prescribed by law.  I'll bet they still have them.

The crazy thing is I trade guns off on other guns and sell some outright.  I don't have more than a couple of guns that I had ten years ago.  Who can remember who they sold a rifle to ten  or twelve years ago?  I can't remember the guys I met at church last Sunday.  I guess there is some advantage to old age.   Advantage to the guys who buy my old used guns anyway.   I need a light 308, anyone need a 700P that groups under 1/2 inch all day long?   Scope is sold. 

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I would ask them if they remember who they took an oath to. "to serve and protect the citizens and the constitution" and then wait for the answer of course.

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I support an aggressive foreign policy as to not become a turtle's penis.

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So you support spending trillions of dollars to occupy countries and have them rightly get pissed about it?  Or protect the Jews and the land they stole?  Or is it the 20yr olds I graduated with that got their faces burnt off to make sure Iraq didn't have wmds.   And all in all, what good is all this?

Got em!

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Ski, what land did the Jews steal, let me know I never heard of it.

Ever since I was a kid I wonder if america would turn into anarchy, what would I do.. But that was mainly because I would read history books, mostly WWII and read the stories of what happened in so many different countries and by so many different races.
I tell you it would be better to fight and die then to live in a world of fear and torture.  Just ask Germany, France, Norway, Lativa, Cech, Estonia, Poland, Holland, Ukraine, Ugoslavia, Austria, Bulgaria, China, Phillipine, Combodia,Vietnam, North Korea, and plus many Muslims States. America is a minority when it comes to freedom and our govt. Thank God. I think it is our duty to pass it on to our descendants. And tell our Govt. that it stops right now. And thank God for Guns and the men who made them.

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Ski, what land did the Jews steal, let me know I never heard of it.

Ever since I was a kid I wonder if america would turn into anarchy, what would I do.. But that was mainly because I would read history books, mostly WWII and read the stories of what happened in so many different countries and by so many different races.
I tell you it would be better to fight and die then to live in a world of fear and torture.  Just ask Germany, France, Norway, Lativa, Cech, Estonia, Poland, Holland, Ukraine, Ugoslavia, Austria, Bulgaria, China, Phillipine, Combodia,Vietnam, North Korea, and plus many Muslims States. America is a minority when it comes to freedom and our govt. Thank God. I think it is our duty to pass it on to our descendants. And tell our Govt. that it stops right now. And thank God for Guns and the men who made them.

History has a nasty habit of repeating itself.  Might we study a bit and analyze how it came to be that these mentioned people came to live the way they did before the war. We're not exempt!   class envy.  Turned neighbor against neighbor using hundreds of methods of motivation...money...position.....safety....."turn your neighbor in or you never see your mother, father, son, daughter, wife."  Get the picture?  Way better to do something now than to try win using only the defense!

The arrogance of the present is to forget the wisdom of the past.

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I'd do exactly what this guy states, no one will take my guns.

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I think song is appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORkT4a2MhQ

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Jay you are right on. Russia made it class warfare and after the revolution everybody was poor except for the govt. Germany made it race warfare and 50 million deaths later it ended. Same with Japan.

Sounds like are Dictator, Obamo, but he is using both.

I have to stop watching the news, I am getting more ticked off everyday.

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 You young kids (those less than 40) on this site need to read some world history about countries that were or are oppressed to see how slowly a dictatorship creeps into society, just as it is doing now, for example... how the residents of a country like Germany were so fascinated by their new great leader.....sound familiar? There are several instances of this scenario. If you want to be impressed, read about our Revolutionary War...absolutely amazing how smart and hardworking those people were. So many events that happened in the past  250 years look exactly like our modern times and leadership. 

I didn't pay attention in high school either during history, wish I would have, but now that I am older and can relate past events to modern times it is fascinating.....and scary. Like Jay S said....history repeats itself. 


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I don't think many people would fight.  A lot would complain, but we as a society have become to use to our comforts to suffer the amount that would be required to rebel.
Especially up here.  The only way this would work if is communities formed armed
patrols to guard our homes while everyone was at work.  If we want to continue to earn a living, they would just serve seach papers when you were at work.  What will happen if this comes, is we will all hide whatever we can, and hope for the laws to be reversed.  If that doesn't happen, sell the stuff on the black market or to the drug cartels and make a good living doing that.  Whats the difference, because at that point the current administration would have already made you a felon.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const...

A little history of the II Amendment starting in 1689 England and how the right to bear arms was taken away thru "game laws"       Also includes the 2nd Congress's militia act requiring every man between 18-45 to have, among other essentials, "a flintlock....with a minimum of 24 cartridges".  To me, that would set a precedent when it comes to limiting magazine size. Also,how Chief Justice Scalia  interpreted "millitia".....by the people, of the people,for the people.

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huntorride365 Said:
I always laugh when I see that saying that Wisconsin has a million man army based on deer hunters alone. That's flippin funny, reality is at least 90% would turn in weapons on the first breath of confiscation. Personally I have no doubt that those lists that the FBI have kept are still there. They will surface when the time is right.


Unfortunately agree

There's a whole generation of Americans that have no idea about the truth of the Clintons, particularly Hillary