Hot Spots fishing map Devils Lake

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Hot Spots fishing map Devils Lake

Was wondering if the Fishing hotspots map of Devils Lake is good and if it says much for ice fishing on it?And does anyone know what type of chip to get for a handheld GPS for Devils Lake? Thanks and any info would be great!

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lakemaster chip, the dakotas.

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bowhunter_24 Said:
lakemaster chip, the dakotas.

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ND trax has an ok map. It is 5 ft contours. the depths are only 4ft. less than what the maps says.

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The lake master maps are really good.  Just go to lakemap.com and it will pretty much walk you right through it.  Devils lake is in one foot contours and pretty accurate depth wise. 

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The difference between Lakemaster and NDTrax is Lakemaster took NDGF data and created one foot contours.  The NDGF felt the 3 to 5 ft contours was sufficient enough for the bowl and non-structured lake.  I personally haven't seen a difference between the two so I can't analyze it.  Nor am I in the position to do that anyway since I have hardly ever fished the lake.

Some believe that Lakemaster did the whole lake.  They did not, they used NDGF data.  They did, however, do some sort of data collection I think in Creel or some other bay (or a couple bays).  Outside that, you'll have to judge whether you believe Lakemaster is enough to warrant two different chips.


 

 

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Even a quick glance at the devils lake lakemaster chip easily reveals that they used more than simply g&f data.  They have such detail on this map, that they have the exact locations of the culverts in the golden highway 20 feet + underwater on the map.  They had to have used extensive on the water surveys(which they claim), in addition to low water geographical imagery to get locations for all the information they have on this chip. 

If you are simply looking to get around the lake and not hit stuff...get whatever chip..it doesn't matter.  If you want one that is very detailed, lakemaster is the one.  The one foot contours too me aren't that accurate or valuable but the rest of the detail on the map is amazing.  

There has been online discussion/banter with the NDTRAX guys on here, and some people are certainly inclinded towards their products, having not ever used them I can't say good or bad.  I can say that most DL anglers agree that the lakemaster chip is the best one for that lake. 

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From and email I sent Lakemaster last year:

From: LakeMaster Technical Support [mailto:bigfish@lakemap.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:42 PM
To: Tim Sandstrom
Subject: LakeMaster Support

Hello Tim,

1. We did complete some surveying on Devils Lake, especially in the New Mill Bay area. Regarding the rest of the lake, we reprocessed all of the depth soundings from the NDGFD. We also updated shorelines using the most recent aerial imagery.

Like I said, I couldn't speak for what they did regarding culvert collection, etc.  It most possibily came from simple aerial imagery.  That is easy bean stuff for those that know there way around custom mapping.  Have a map myself of Devils with that data including prairie trails, other roads, culverts, flooded tree pockets, etc.  I haven't finished it yet though.  Need to do some tweaking.  My point is I know for a fact they didn't do anything fancy with sounding data other than making 1 ft contours out of the NDGF data.  I'm impressed they took the extra step to include culvert stuff.  Obviously, they must have had one of their (or more than one) professional fisherman sponsors request such data and most likely helped them get it identified.  Like I said, this is pretty easy but it is something a company wouldn't do without local type help.  Maybe I should sell Korey some of my goodies?  Hee, hee!!!

Perhaps the 1 ft contours make a big difference but judging by the response Permo posted the 1 ft contours are not all that important.  Could be in some areas but the reprocessing of the soundings most likely didn't help a ton.  Some in areas I suppose.  As mentioned earlier, the NDGF felt the data they used to derive their map was sufficient.  Lakemaster simply added contours to make it more appealing.  Maybe it helps with the actual depth identification.  Again, I can't speak for it because I have never used the data. 

As for the updating via the aerial imagery that is done to just make the lake boundary as accurate as possible.  Fluctuation since the NDGF data was done is most likely the reason.

2. Lake Oahe was a different data collection and process used. We acquired LIDAR data that was obtained when the lake was at it lowest level. Now, as it is filling back up with water, we have without a question, the most detailed and accurate map ever created for this body of water.

Now Lake Oahe data collection is the best of the best of the best.  Darn good stuff and I wish they would have done something like this for Sakakawea.  But like any company, they didn't want to invest their own money when they could just use the government's.  I imagine they had to pay for it or work some sort of agreement out but nothing was done as far as LIDAR for Sakakawea.  I know the NDGF pursued the ACOE to see if they could cost share something or do some other sort of arrangement but nohting got done.  And now we have normal water conditions again.  Boo and not getting cool data collected before it was too late!

Both of our maps are the most accurate on the market, plus the product also includes several other high-definition lakes for the Glacial Lakes area in South Dakota:

http://www.lakemap.com/digitalgpsmap-lowrancedakotas.aspx

If you have further questions, please contact us.

Best Regards,

LakeMaster Lake Maps
Technical Support Group
 


 

 

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I gave my sister's boyfriend coordinates to a rockpile. He has navionics. He said the change in depth didn't even show up. It goes from 35 to 15.

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Navionics to my knowledge does not have NDGF data.

They most likely have USGS generated topo data.  Which, for lake mapping purposes is next to worthless.

Maybe I'm wrong?  I haven't researched Navionics but I believe they do not have Devils Lake as one of their "HD" maps.  Hence, non-surveyed.


 

 

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Actually, I think the new Lowrance units with built in hard drives have the HD maps, which are NDGF data.  I think.

Other than that, I don't know what bundles of data Navionics has.  It shows in their simple lake list that Oahe and Sakakawea are the only surveyed lakes.  Something has had to change though hasn't it?  I mean, if they have it in their Lowrance HD maps how come not the normal chips?


 

 

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lake master i have navionics its not real good for detail

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i have a MN lakemaster chip and its pretty accurate. if the lakes up or down your depths will be diff but the break, flat, ect. are still the same.it shows you pretty much everything you need to know as far as trees, access pts, marker bouys and so on.  havent bought the dakotas chip yet but it will be next on the list.

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I haven't chimed in as of course I am a bit biased being the creator of NDTRAX and the entire TRAX series. It all depends on what you want to compare. If the comparison is Devils Lake LakeMaster to Devils Lake NDTRAX, then you are talking about a comparison where the base data used by both companies is the same. It all depends on what format you like better. LakeMaster did apparently do some additional surveying work to tighten up a few areas.  So, if all you are going to compare is Devils Lake, I understand why some peple really like NDTRAX and some LakeMaster. I have some features pulled off aerial they may not have and they have some things I don't have.

This is where the comparison changes. LakeMasters price point is higher for the Dakota lakes (roughly $110), and they don't have much of an update policy. Best case scenario are $50 rebates once in awhile. NDTRAX runs $79.99 all the time and you can update for $20 whenever you like. Next, LakeMaster stops at fishing data. With NDTRAX, you get the most complete road database, all the hunting lands in ND such as PLOTS, WPAs, WMAs, trails, campgrounds, and so much more. Will LakeMaster help you when hunting pheasants on PLOTS ground, looking for mule deer bucks in the Little Missouri Grasslands, or biking the Maah Daah Hey trail?

To top it off NDTRAX 2010 just released, and it includes the following new features:

  • Land parcels and ownership information for Cass, Morton, and Pembina
  • Township, range and section numbers for the rest of the state sections
  • Tribal Land added
  • Main wetlands in ND added
  • All newly updated State, Federal, and PLOTS land changes
  • Harmon lake and many more new lakes added

So, when you compare products make sure you compare apples to apples. Just comparing Devils Lake, it is a pretty good competition, but add everything else, and NDTRAX becomes the most complete, cost effective, and best overall mapping system in existence for ND.

Sorry on a bit of rant, but top it off now with a newly added product called NDTRAX PC, you can see all your favorite hunting lands, fishing contours, and more all integrated to Google Earth.

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I have both, i fish devils lake alot  and the lakemaster chip is what i use there. compareing the 2 for a single lake isnt a fair comparision.

I have to ask why land owners in pembina county? not one of the hotspots in n.d.?

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riverview,

I am adding the landowners and property boundaries for the counties which have this available in GIS format. If the entire state had it, I would add the entire state as I have for Montana. I contacted various counties which are moving towards this direction and these are the 3 counties which currently have their parcel data in a GIS format (which I need) and are allowing me to use it for NDTRAX. As this type of data becomes available for additional counties over the coming years, I plan to continue to update this data and keep it growing. I am anxious to include additional counties for both NDTRAX as well as for my own outdoor activities as well.

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Korey,

Hit up some of the southwest counties.  I know a few have them.  Or, at least I thought they did.

Question.  You got the tribal lands?  I'll PM you or email you tomorrow.


 

 

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Tim, I talked to a number of state GIS folks and got some of the counties they knew who were working on it. I also emailed a number of additional counties. If you have a contact or a few counties you know are working on it, I will contact them as well. I sent you an email.

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Nothin compares to Lakemaster, I dont care what you say. I've used them all, including ndtrax, NOTHING compares to Lakemaster. 1 ft contours and they are right on. Why mess around with navionics or ndtrax 5' contours. I own the ndtrax, and honestly its a hunting chip, not a fishing chip. Go with lakemaster, the best there is.

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Walleyefan1, I appreciate your opinion and having you as a customer of NDTRAX. I just wanted to clarify as NDTRAX is more than a hunting chip. It is an all-around sportsman chip for hunting, fishing, hiking, biking, and more. It is a total outdoor's chip including wetlands now for duck hunting and pheasant hunting as well.

NDTRAX has more lakes than Lakemaster has for ND and is kept more up to date as I put out at least 2 updates per year. Besides Devils Lake, I am not aware of any additional surveying LakeMaster has done on ND lakes. Lake Master has lakes in 5 foot contours that NDTRAX actually has in 3 foot contours, so the reverse can be said if talking about other lakes than Devils Lake. I realize the discussion is on Devils Lake and in that comparison, you are correct, they have 1 foot contours

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walleyefan1 Said:
Nothin compares to Lakemaster, I dont care what you say. I've used them all, including ndtrax, NOTHING compares to Lakemaster. 1 ft contours and they are right on. Why mess around with navionics or ndtrax 5' contours. I own the ndtrax, and honestly its a hunting chip, not a fishing chip. Go with lakemaster, the best there is.

Right on.

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Yea but look at the name of the chip LAKE  master. I used the nd trax pheasant hunting in the nw cornor of the state and it was great. saved alot of time.

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Lakemaster is pretty much just like Navionics.  It is a one lake chip.  Lakemaster has Devils Lake and Navionics has Sakakawea.

Again, the Lakemaster chip is NDGF data glorified with 1' contours.  Perhaps it makes a difference. I don't know.  If it does, then it is the best chip for Devils Lake.  But if you want all the other surveyed lakes for North Dakota NDTrax fits that bill.  Not only that but you get everything else with the chip.

Lakemaster (as shown in my email) did do some type of surveying for a bay that the NDGF didn't survey.  Quite honestly, there is a lot more surveying that needs to be done for Devils Lake with it's expansion and additional pot holes that become "part" of the lake.  Will it be Lakemaster, NDGF or Navionics that does it?  I don't now.  Someone should but until then choose the chip that best fits your needs.


 

 

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New resident to North Dakota and I purchased the NDTRAX I couldn't be happier. It provides me more than enough info for Devil's Lake with a whole lot more. I am amazed at the PLOTS ability because I hunt as well as fish. Great product.