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Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks

Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:17 AM | Reply #41 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cootkiller 1 Said:
 Do a minimal amount of fact checking and you will realize how absurd this headline is.  Type that headline into google and check our littlegreenfootballs fact checking site.  Don't believe everything you read on the internet, if you do then I am a french model, cripes.

cootkiller
Bonjour cootkiller

 
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:20 AM | Reply #42 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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What wine do you recommend with horse meat?
 Nuke the Whales
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:23 AM | Reply #43 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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How does Bath & Bodyworks compare with the hidden boutiques in Paris?
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Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:28 AM | Reply #44 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Any merlot. I make it in the toilet.
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:34 AM | Reply #45 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cootkiller 1 Said:
 Do a minimal amount of fact checking and you will realize how absurd this headline is.  Type that headline into google and check our littlegreenfootballs fact checking site.  Don't believe everything you read on the internet, if you do then I am a french model, cripes.

cootkiller
Wow that sucks.  Every time i go bury my guns in the backyard I find out that some of these posts are false.  Better go dig them up again.  My backyard looks terrible with all the holes.
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:40 AM | Reply #46 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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False like your breasts?
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Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:47 AM | Reply #47 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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svnmag Said:
False like your breasts?

That hurts, you told me you liked them they way they are.  The shaving hint was a good one though.
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:53 AM | Reply #48 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have never told you that.
 Nuke the Whales
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:55 AM | Reply #49 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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svnmag Said:
I have never told you that.


CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 11:59 AM | Reply #50 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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On a serious note, why would this story be false after the un-false ammo purchases? 

Your breasts are fine, just stop feeding animals.
 Nuke the Whales
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/05/2013 1:00 PM | Reply #51 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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svnmag Said:
Your breasts are fine, just stop feeding animals.
No doubt about it, the funniest thing I or anyone will see today.

John Browning=GENIUS
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/11/2013 4:59 PM | Reply #52 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I got a response from Heidi Heitkamp saying
"Thank you for contacting U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp. The Senator values your input and will make sure your inquiry is directed to the appropriate person to respond. Thank you for taking the time to write us.

Office of U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp

Looks like this story is getting more attention. This time from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/



"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson




Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/11/2013 5:00 PM | Reply #53 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation


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Soldiers from the 41st Infantry Regiment, 1st ...


Armored Personnel Carriers in Baghdad. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.  It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition.  As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month.  Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years.  In America.


Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation.  As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:


[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the  Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”


 


These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”


Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”



“They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?


Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”


Why indeed?  It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America.  There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok.  About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division.  And is wise to the ways.   The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this:  it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget.  So… why not?


Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland?  Because it’s wrong in every way.  President Obama has an opportunity, now, to live up to some of his rhetoric by helping the federal government set a noble example in a matter very close to his heart (and that of his Progressive base), one not inimical to the Bill of Rights: gun control.  The federal government can (for a nice change) begin practicing what it preaches by controlling itself.


Remember the Sequester?  The president is claiming its budget cuts will inconvenience travelers by squeezing essential services provided by the (opulently armed and stylishly uniformed) DHS.  Quality ammunition is not cheap.  (Of course, news reports that DHS is about to spend $50 million on new uniforms suggests a certain cavalier attitude toward government frugality.)


Spending money this way is beyond absurd well into perverse.  According to the AP story a DHS spokesperson justifies this acquisition to “help the government get a low price for a big purchase.” Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center:  “The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.”


At 15 million rounds (which, in itself, is pretty extraordinary and sounds more like fun target-shooting-at-taxpayer-expense than a sensible training exercise) … that’s a stockpile that would last DHS over a century.  To claim that it’s to “get a low price” for a ridiculously wasteful amount is an argument that could only fool a career civil servant.


Meanwhile, Senator Diane Feinstein, with the support of President Obama, is attempting to ban 100 capacity magazine clips.  Doing a little apples-to-oranges comparison, here, 1.6 billion rounds is … 16 million times more objectionable.


Mr. Obama has a long history of disdain toward gun ownership.  According to Prof. John Lott, in Debacle, a book he co-authored with iconic conservative strategist Grover Norquist,


“When I was first introduced to Obama (when both worked at the University of Chicago Law School, where Lott was famous for his analysis of firearms possession), he said, ‘Oh, you’re the gun guy.’


I responded: ‘Yes, I guess so.’


’I don’t believe that people should own guns,’ Obama replied.


I then replied that it might be fun to have lunch and talk about that statement some time.


He simply grimaced and turned away. …


Unlike other liberal academics who usually enjoyed discussing opposing ideas, Obama showed disdain.”


Mr. Obama?  Where’s the disdain now?  Cancelling, or at minimum, drastically scaling back — by 90% or even 99%, the DHS order for ammo, and its receipt and deployment of armored personnel carriers, would be a “fourfer.”



  • The federal government would set an example of restraint in the matter of weaponry.

  • It would reduce the deficit without squeezing essential services.

  • It would do both in a way that was palatable to liberals and conservatives, slightly depolarizing America.

  • It would somewhat defuse, by the government making itself less armed-to-the-teeth, the anxiety of those who mistrust the benevolence of the federales.


If Obama doesn’t show any leadership on this matter it’s an opportunity for Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, to summon Secretary Napolitano over for a little national conversation. Madame Secretary?  Buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and deploying armored personnel carriers runs contrary, in every way, to what “homeland security” really means.  Discuss.


"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson




Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/12/2013 09:48 AM | Reply #54 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Are you "spoofing" Bobkat again you rascal spoofster?!
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Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/12/2013 09:56 AM | Reply #55 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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and soon you'll be reading the story was also true regarding the vehicles. 
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/19/2013 6:13 PM | Reply #56 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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And this issue pops up again.   Can bobkat run this through snopes ?

http://www.infowars.com/congressman-asks-big-sis-to-explain-huge-ammo-purchases/

Congressman Asks Big Sis to Explain Huge Ammo Purchases
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“Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred”

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 19, 2013

New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance (R) has demanded an explanation from Secretary Janet Napolitano as to why the Department of Homeland Security is buying huge amounts of bullets.

Asked about the federal agency’s purchase of over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the past year – enough to wage a 20 year plus war – as well as thousands of armored vehicles – Lance called on Congress to get involved.

“I think Congress should ask the Department about both of those issues and I would like a full explanation as to why that has been done and I have every confidence that the oversight committee ….should ask those questions,” said Lance, adding that he shared a belief, “that Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred.”

The Congressman said he was “concerned” and that his goal was ensuring Americans “continued to live in a country based on freedom and individual rights,” adding that he hoped Congress could get answers on the reasons behind the huge ammunition purchases by the DHS.

Lance, who is the U.S. Representative for New Jersey’s 7th congressional district, was speaking at a Morristown Tea Party Organization meeting on Friday.

Last week, the Democratic Governors Association (DGA), a lobbying organization which represents governors affiliated with the Democratic Party, started an ad campaign calling on Americans to sign a petition demanding Sarah Palin be denounced for “extremist” rhetoric after the former Governor of Alaska expressed concern about the bullet purchases in a Facebook post.

Earlier this month, Forbes Magazine called for a “national conversation” on the matter despite claims by mainstream media and leftist websites that the issue had been “debunked”. As we documented, the sole source for claiming the story was “debunked” came from a single quote by a DHS official carried in a February 14 Associated Press report.

The AP report regurgitated claims by the federal agency that the bullets were bought in bulk to save money and were for training purposes only.

However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania last week, hollow point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds.

“We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps,” Mason said.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson




Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/19/2013 10:30 PM | Reply #57 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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so now we have a congressman who believes DHS has ordered the vehicles.  Didn't the dip stick read fishingbuddy where it's stated this is a hoax. 
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/19/2013 10:54 PM | Reply #58 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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No worries - they wont come to ND....

Our AG would throw himself in front of them to defend us......................

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Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/19/2013 11:00 PM | Reply #59 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cootkiller 1 Said:
 Do a minimal amount of fact checking and you will realize how absurd this headline is.  Type that headline into google and check our littlegreenfootballs fact checking site.  Don't believe everything you read on the internet, if you do then I am a french model, cripes.

cootkiller

You want me to google to Check the facts of the story then tell me to not believe everything you read on the Internet .  Do you want me to believe the story that  says it is false or the story that says it is true?   All this confusion is giving me a headache
Re: Homeland Security purchases 2700 light armored tanks
by on 03/19/2013 11:29 PM | Reply #60 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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