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Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea

by , Posted to on 05/20/2010 06:55 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
StoryDiscussionTribune staff reports | Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:30 pm 

WASHINGTON — North Dakota’s congressional delegation and Gov. John Hoeven are trying to get the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to cancel plans to put a hold on new Lake Sakakawea water permits.

The corps is proposing a long-term water allocation study that could take at least three years and possibly seven years to complete. During that time, the corps has said, no new lake water intake permits will be issued and existing permits will not be changed for higher capacity.

Hoeven said Wednesday the corps should continue its longstanding policy of issuing access easements on the mainstem reservoirs in North Dakota, even at the same time as the proposed water allocation study of the Missouri River.

Corps officials could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.

Hoeven pressed the case in a phone call with Omaha District Commander Col. Robert J. Ruch and in a letter to the corps’ assistant secretary for civil works, Jo-Ellen Darcy, at corps headquarters in Washington, D.C.

Lake Sakakawea water is important to shale fracturing techniques used in North Dakota oil fields. It also provides water to surrounding communities.

A permit freeze is “simply unacceptable,” Sens. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan and Rep. Earl Pomeroy said in a joint statement.

“The decision by the corps to not issue permits while they are doing this study puts North Dakota’s energy development and production, as well as some of the drinking water distribution projects we’ve funded, in jeopardy of long delays,” the delegation statement said.

“The amounts of water at issue are miniscule,” the delegation said in the letter to Darcy. “High-end estimates are that full development of the state’s oil fields would require 1,800 new wells drilled per year, at a total of 4 million gallons of water each.” This totals about 60 acre-feet of water per day, compared to the approximately 40,000 acre-feet of Missouri River water that passes through Bismarck-Mandan each day. More realistic estimates indicate that the wells would require closer to 30 acre-feet per day.

The delegation said energy development is not the only thing at risk.

“We have also been told that a requested intake from Lake Oahe for the South Central Regional Water system may not be permitted, and the same could apply to the Southwest Water Authority and Northwest Area Water Supply project,” the delegation said.

“I am concerned that important water projects throughout North Dakota could be delayed or stopped during this period,” Hoeven said in his letter to Darcy. “Clearly, such a step would have an adverse effect on North Dakota’s rural and municipal water supplies, as well as on industrial uses such as oil recovery activities.”

The governor said the corps’ plan also includes a provision to charge the state a fee for water storage and consumption.

“Bear in mind that water from the Missouri River, the Yellowstone River and their tributaries are a public trust, owned by the state of North Dakota for the people of North Dakota,” Hoeven wrote.

“The corps, by compelling such a fee, would force the state to access water from the rivers rather than from the reservoirs. That makes no sense and you should reject any such fee.”
Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 07:15 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Hoeven is correct, the appropriate water allocator in ND is the state of North Dakota.  This tramples all over the State's authority to allocate water and should not be tolerated.

Somehow, I suspect that this was a behind the doors push by Missouri to once again try to stop any upstream user of Missouri River water.

Charging ND a fee for water pumped out of Sak, or to "store" water there, ostensibly for recreation purposes.  What the hell is that about?  The Corps eminent domained an awful lot of prime ND farmland to build the Pick/Sloan project and is now going to charge the people whose land it took?

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 08:51 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Seriously, I was just starting to talk nice about the Corp and now this?  It is May right?  I mean, it isn't April Fool's Day is it?

My goodness!  They must be so pissed off that we get to have the project purpose study that they want to get even.  What is it with the upper river system that they despise???

At this moment the rural water boys are throwing pipe in the ground and also building a water tower.  It is exciting times for many rural residents (some concern with management).  I wonder if this so called freeze could effect the new construction.  Heck, what about the existing construction?  Seriously, how many thousand dollar wrench's does this throw into the rural water systems around the west?
 
I think the State should turn around and start charging money for every acre foot that leaves the Garrison Dam.  Wow.  Like I said, I was just starting to talk nice about the Corp.




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 08:59 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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So riled up I called my dad.  First he heard of it and I got the answer I was expecting, plus exactly what I was thinking.  Yup, here it comes.  Socialism has been planted and the germination process is beginning.

Seriously folks.  These are the kind of little steps out there that dig deeper and deeper.  This is plain old insane.  I'm sure Pomeroy is drooling at the mouth.  He'll fight this hard and paint it as if he is the savior.  As much as I hate to say it, I hope he succeeds but I hope North Dakota residents don't forget about the other things he has done which deserve removal from office.

Anyway, Dad said he hasn't heard anything for a long time about a water intake down across our land because they needed water storage.  It was a fast and furious thing up to a month or so ago.  Now, nothing.  I'm guessing I know why.

Wow the Corp kept this quiet.  Will be interesting to see if this stems from the liberal fall out love fest Bush had late in his presidency or if this comes from Mr. Obama.

Off to send SWC folks some emails...




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 09:40 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Just fired off email to Joel at KFGO.  We'll see if he gets talking about it.  Has Dorgan on so would be good timing to do so.




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 10:12 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Listened in on a conference call yesterday with some Corp Officials, representatives from the state, the water commission and a number of representatives from various oil field companies on this very topic.

I had to laugh a little when the moderator only allowed the state representatives to respond to the Corps announcement regarding the 3 to 7 year study.  I think it would have been funny to listen to some of the industry people respond.  I can only imagine the reaction as I know what it was like in our office.

I have to say in my opinion anyway our state reps including the governors office didn't seem to pull any punches so I was glad to see that.  I hope they don't let up as there is potetially a lot at stake here for the state of ND and not only the oil field industry.  This could affect any new water needs related to Agriculture as well as municipality needs.

My understanding is any water easements that have already been granted will not be modified, the moritorium would only affect new requests. 

By the way, the corp said this 3 to 7 year study could cost the tax payers up to $2 million....
Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 11:13 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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walleye94 Said:

By the way, the corp said this 3 to 7 year study could cost the tax payers up to $2 million....
Holy smokes! That would almost buy three new airboats!

As for the water, certain states where water is a premium an amount is charged for every drop that flows through the states reservoirs and dams. I wish we could do that here. Might limit the excessive amount of dumping water they do on our system. I'm sure that if it was an option they would have done it already.


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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 11:15 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I'm not surprised.  By the time the elk thing gets done we will probably have a billion in the study.




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/20/2010 12:28 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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HOEVEN CALLS ON CORPS TO CONTINUE TO ISSUE ACCESS PERMITS DURING MISSOURI RIVER WATER ALLOCATION STUDY

BISMARCK, N.D. – Gov. John Hoeven today called on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to authorize the Omaha District to continue its long-standing policy of issuing access easements on the main stem reservoirs in North Dakota, even if the easements are issued concurrently with the District’s proposed water allocation study of the Missouri River.

Hoeven pressed the case in a phone call with Omaha District Commander Col. Robert J. Ruch on Tuesday and also in a letter to the Corps’ Assistant Secretary for Civil Works Jo-Ellen Darcy at Corps headquarters in Washington, D.C. sent this morning.

The Corps is considering a water allocation study of the Missouri River main stem reservoirs in North Dakota, and the Omaha District currently plans to suspend issuing water access permits until the completion of the study, which could take several years.

‘I am concerned that important water projects throughout North Dakota could be delayed or stopped during this period,” Hoeven said in his letter to Darcy. “Clearly, such a step would have an adverse effect on North Dakota’s rural and municipal water supplies, as well as on industrial uses such as oil recovery activities. Specifically, you need to authorize the Omaha District to continue its long-standing policy of issuing access easements to reservoirs in North Dakota.”

The Governor said the Corps’ plan also includes a provision to charge the state a fee for water storage and consumption, an unprecedented practice in the state’s relationship with the Corps.

“Bear in mind that water from the Missouri River, the Yellowstone River, and their tributaries are a public trust, owned by the State of North Dakota for the people of North Dakota,” Hoeven wrote. “The Corps, by compelling such a fee, would force the state to access water from the rivers, rather than from the reservoirs. That makes no sense and you should reject any such fee.”




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/21/2010 09:28 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Talked with my dad last night after missing his call earlier in the day.  He said Conrad's office called him back and the word is the three Amigos sat down with the Corp (I imagine Hoeven heavily involved as well).  The Crop is back tracking on denying permits, etc.  They will continue forward with the study, however.

The study is to take 3 to 7 years.  We all know how the government studies go.  It will probably go closer to 7 and cost more than $2 million.  Sorry I I am being blunt but after the TRNP study....yeah, I have little confidence.

Anyway, anyone want to take bets it will be very difficult to get a permit or do anything with water?  While it seems like a victory I bet it takes a very long time to get a permit (if they even give one).  I'm sure they'll find any little reason to deny one.

Shaking my head...
 




 
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Re: Hoeven, delegation upset with corps' plans for Lake Sakakawea
by on 05/21/2010 09:35 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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My sister just sent this to me:

Corps won't freeze Lake Sakakawea water permits
The Associated Press - BISMARCK, N.D.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers says it will not impose a moratorium on Lake Sakakawea and Lake Oahe water permits.

Gov. John Hoeven and the state's congressional delegation had feared the corps would refuse to issue new or amended permits for water from the Missouri River reservoirs while the agency conducts an allocation study that could take up to seven years to complete.

Assistant Army secretary Jo-Ellen Darcy met by teleconference with North Dakota officials on Thursday to discuss the permits.

Corps officials say the study is expected to start this month.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.




 
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