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Heavy Barreled Deer Rifle?

by , Posted to on 04/02/2012 10:25 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/19/2003
Location: ND
I have been kicking around getting a heavy barreled rifle with a good scope for deer hunting.  Most of my deer hunting now-a-days is done on my butt behind a pair of binoculars be it muley or whitetail, I also enhoy shooting 400+ yards.  I am not sure what a good gun choice would be but I was looking at rifles in Scheels this weekend and found a Remmington Model 700 SPS, heavy barrel in a 308 calber.  I would like to stay with a little faster caliber (270, 25-06, etc.) but don't know much about heavy barreled rifles.  Would this be a good choice, it sure had a nice feel, the only thing that is holding me back is the caliber?

Also looked at the Scheels Outfitter Icon Trifecta 4-12x44 scope.  Again this scope is designed for a faster caliber (2700+ fps) and I am concerned that with the slower 308 it would be a waste of money?

Any ideas on a good setup?, or the one listed above.  I don't have an unlimited amount to spend but am hoping to find something in the $1,000.00 range.  I have other guns so this one would be used mainly for deer/antelope.

Thanks in advance for the input!
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by on 04/02/2012 10:33 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
 I think a 25-06, .270, or 7mm in the heavy barrel would be a great setup. Not sure if they make a 7mm in the heavy barrel? Havent looked into it that much actually, but it (7mm) is fast, flat shooting, and doesnt kick overall like a mule. The scheels scopes have the lifetime warranty, I have more than a few of them, and so far have been very happy with them. Overall for the heavy barrels, if you are in half decent shape, and not lugging it 10+ miles, I think you will be just fine. If the gun feels amazing and you shoot knock out groups with it, IMO, its worth the extra weight.
 
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by on 04/02/2012 10:43 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/08/2011
Location: ND
308 is great caliber for long range shooting, but personally I think if I was setting up a gun for hunting at longer ranges, I would want something that shoots flatter than the 308.

A 25-06 would be a good choice. Definietly will get the job done. Remington made the Sendero in a 25-06 a few years ago and they shoot great, 26" barrel gets you some more speed. Heavy barrel that is fluted. Great gun. They also make these in a few different calibers. Come from the factory with a HS Precision stock. 7mm is availible, 264 is out there, 300 is out there.

If I were to set up a long range deer gun, and thats the ONLY thing I'm going to do with it, I would use a .257 Weatherby or the .264 Win Mag.  Both are great choices, especially in the .264. 6.5 bullets are quite slippery and there are a TON of great hunting rounds.

Trifecta scope is a great piece of optics for the money, clear glass and great warrany, but if you want to really get the most out of the rifle I would put a Zeiss with the Rapid Z reticle in there.

Good luck!
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by on 04/02/2012 10:55 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/19/2003
Location: ND
I shoot to 1000 plus with a heavy barrel 300 WM with 210 gr Berger VLD at 2875 fps.

If you don't want the recoil I would suggest something in the 6.5mm.  I also shoot a 6.5X284 Cooper Phoenix.  I have been looking at the Thompson Center Icon or lower price Venture in 6.5 Creedmore.  I watched a youtube video of one of the reputable outdoor writers take an elk at 600 yards plus.  The ballistic coefficient of the 140 gr Berger VLD doesn't look impressive at the muzzle, but it's nearly as flat as the 25-06 at 400 yards and beyond 500 it starts walking on the standard 30 calibers.

After three knee surgeries I got into the long range hunting about ten or twelve years ago.  It's entertaining watching bucks sneak behind guys on the other side of the river at 1200 yards.  You will see things you never do while walking and hunting.  Spend a couple of years at it and it will make you a better hunter while walking also.  Deer behavior is entertaining to most of us and you will see a lot more of it while you sit.

Oh, here is a mulie I shot three years ago.  I invested 14 hour sitting on my behind for this guy.  We seen him at sunrise opening day, but season didn't open until noon.  I ducked out of site for ten minutes to get a bite to eat and when I looked back he had left his bed and he was nowhere to be seen that day.
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by on 04/02/2012 10:57 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/03/2009
Location: ND
25-06 AI.
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by on 04/02/2012 11:14 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/01/2003
Location: ND
I just checked gunbroker.com and it has Remington Senderos in 25-06, 270, 7mm and 300 win and ultra mag plus a few others.  Most are over $1000 but a few are under.  I know nothing about the Scheels scope you mention but something with good target knobs and a reticle that will help with hold over and/or for wind is recommended,  I have Leupold 6.5-20X-50 M1 dials and the TMR in my long range rigs, pricey but worth it.  Don't forget the most important of all, lots of practice.  If I haven't shot for 2 or 3 weeks hitting my 880 or 1000 yard plates becomes more of a SWAG shot (scientific wild ass guess)

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by on 04/02/2012 11:52 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Hornaday's .284 162gn A-max, .243 105 A-max, and .244 75gn A-max all rate having a rifle to digest them as do the simlarly weighted Berger VLD's.  The 105 and 162 behave give or take like a Nosler Ballistic tip on game.

A .5ish B.C. 105-110gn .257 A-Max would excite me too.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/02/2012 12:10 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
Do you reload? Do you like to shoot a lot or is this strictly for hunting? What is your definition of long distance? The hotter the caliber you get, the sooner your going to wear out your barrel. I have a Tikka t3 varmint that shoots 65gr Sierra's very well, out to 600 yards. I havent tried past that distance yet. If you are thinking about spending around 1k on the rifle and you reload, I would consider the Savage Model: 12 Long Range Precision in 260 Rem. With a savage you can also swap barrels yourself, so one gun can be used to shoot several different calibers.
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by on 04/02/2012 1:16 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/08/2008
Location: ND
I have used a Remington SPS Tactical in .308 the last three years.  I am reloading 130gr TTSX and they are going about 2900 fps out of the 20" barrel. 
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by on 04/02/2012 1:25 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/19/2003
Location: ND

Lycanthrope Said:
Do you reload? Do you like to shoot a lot or is this strictly for hunting? What is your definition of long distance? The hotter the caliber you get, the sooner your going to wear out your barrel. I have a Tikka t3 varmint that shoots 65gr Sierra's very well, out to 600 yards. I havent tried past that distance yet. If you are thinking about spending around 1k on the rifle and you reload, I would consider the Savage Model: 12 Long Range Precision in 260 Rem. With a savage you can also swap barrels yourself, so one gun can be used to shoot several different calibers.
I just turned 50, grew up shooting at a very young age, I do reload (my dad always relaoded - first memory of that was with a hand held lee hand loader) and my main big game rifle is the Ruger M77 in a .270 that I bought in 1974, and honestly that gun is kind of like a third arm when it comes to shooting  My farthest kill in 484 yards at a whitetail buck shooting prone with that rifle which by the way is mounted with a old Weaver K4 wide angle scope.

I don't shoot as much as I use to but do still have a bench setup in the yard with ranges to 400 yards.  Probably a box a month right now, but that I sure would go up if I was to get a new one.  I have a number of guns (mainly rugers) ranging from the 22 rimfire, 22 hornet, to the 270.  I have number of other odd calibers of other makes as well, but would like a set up that could reach out there.  My version of long range for big game would 600-700 yards depending on all the variables at the time.

I never did think of the .260 Rem.,? 

I alway check my guns zero and bullet drop from a bench to get first hand data, than I also run it through a generic ballistics program to see how accurate it is.  If accurate than I plug in distances farther out.

POTS_20

What type of bullet drop are you seeing between the 200 yards targets and the 500 yardage?  That is my biggest fear with the .308, the amount of compensation for bullet drop out to farther ranges.   I really did like the feel of the Remington rifle though and the price was more than reasonable.


Thanks for the input! 


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by on 04/02/2012 2:19 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/19/2005
Location: ND
I purchased a new sendero last year in a 7mm. The new Remington trigger pretty damn nice! I topped it with a Zeiss 6-20x50 with turrets. The scope tracks perfectly! I am shooting nosler accubond 140's. The combo work absolutely perfect. I am shooting about a 1/2" group at 100, about a 1-1/2 at 200, and around 2-21/2" at 300. I shot a mule deer in Wy last fall at 380 and dropped him stone dead in his tracks. My buddy just bought the exact same setup and is shooting 168 Berger vld's and his is shooting amazing as well! I don't believe there is a better rifle out of the box. Of course all this is after doing some work with the loads.
Hunt today like there may be no tomorrow!
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by on 04/02/2012 2:20 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
If you reload, for deer and lope at longer ranges the 260 would be high on my list, also 243 is worth considering, or 7mm08. If you are handy you can swap a barrel on a savage out in about 20 minutes. I have 243 and 308 barrels for mine but I would like to get a 7mm08 also. You can even use the same headspace gauges for all of the '08 cased cartridges.
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by on 04/02/2012 2:24 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/19/2005
Location: ND
I will mention that the sendero got to be a little heaving packing around in the bighorn mountains but when it came to the moment of truth there isn't another gun I own I'd rather have at that moment.
Hunt today like there may be no tomorrow!
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by on 04/02/2012 2:30 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/09/2009
Location: ND
I've got an old Rem 788 heavy barreled 243, and maybe it's just that one, but it is a long range tack driver.
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by on 04/02/2012 2:30 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/19/2003
Location: ND

Lycanthrope, check out the 6.5 Creedmore.  I like the 260 also, but it's a longer case, and when you reload the heavy high ballistic coefficient 140 gr you have to push it back into the case taking up powder room.  From what I can find both calibers are capable of 2800+ with the 140 gr.  The Creedmore case is shorter because it's a blown out 22-250 which makes it more like the A1 case.  It lets you load the 140 and they still fit in the chamber and can reach up and touch the lands if you want to do that.
I thought you could buy barrels directly from Savage, but I called a half hour ago and nope I can't.  Where are you guys getting your barrels?  I have looked at E R Shaw.  I'm not looking for a bench rifle, just a less expensive barrel and a light rifle to carry. 
 

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by on 04/02/2012 2:41 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
Yeah, that same Savage I mentioned is available in the creedmore too. It sounds nice also. I have gotten.

www.lothar-walther.de/339.php

I have the 243 barrel in an 8 twist

www.shilen.com/savageBarrels.html

I have a 308 barrel in Stainless Select Match with ratchet rifled 13 twist


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by on 04/02/2012 2:47 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Trapper62 Said:

POTS_20

What type of bullet drop are you seeing between the 200 yards targets and the 500 yardage?  That is my biggest fear with the .308, the amount of compensation for bullet drop out to farther ranges.
Drop means jack-squat.  Drop is EASILY accounted for with an elevation turret or a scope reticle with extra aiming points for further distances.  Drop is only gravity and with good consistant reloads, it's ALWAYS the same, no guessing.  Yes atmosphereic conditions as well as elevation can skew things, but, again, they're easily accounted for.

WIND is your enemy as it's ALWAYS only a guess.  You can have the fanciest wind-meter in the world along with a couple dozen super sensitive wind flags and you're still guessing wind.  I've layed on the 600yd line a few times when the 300yd flag showed left-to-right and the 600yd flag showed right-to-left.  Wind calls can most certainly be an educated guess, but on every single shot, a wind-call is still a guess.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/02/2012 2:51 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Lycanthrope Said:
I have the 243 barrel in an 8 twist



105 A-Max/VLD for showing off.  85TSX for killing.  A guy could rule the world as both bullets routinely do what can't be did according to them that read vs. shoot.  The 105 in particular is akin to cheating, a lot.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/02/2012 2:55 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Horsager Said:
Lycanthrope Said:
I have the 243 barrel in an 8 twist



105 A-Max/VLD for showing off.  85TSX for killing.  A guy could rule the world as both bullets routinely do what can't be did according to them that read vs. shoot.  The 105 in particular is akin to cheating, a lot.
Cheating? I don't understand.

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by on 04/02/2012 3:05 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

I am running a Leupold VX III with turrets so I don't have to worry about compensation.

With a 200 yd zero, my chart says dial my M1's 9+1 MOA or 2.7 mils.

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by on 04/02/2012 3:29 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Meelosh Said:
Horsager Said:
Lycanthrope Said:
I have the 243 barrel in an 8 twist



105 A-Max/VLD for showing off.  85TSX for killing.  A guy could rule the world as both bullets routinely do what can't be did according to them that read vs. shoot.  The 105 in particular is akin to cheating, a lot.
Cheating? I don't understand.


It slips the wind quite well, is cheap enough to shoot a ton, and with almost no recoil a guy can shoot it all day without developing a flinch or a headache.

It's like cheating cause a guy can stomach both the physical and financial parts of lots of practice.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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