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HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season

by , Posted to on 01/18/2011 9:33 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2003
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HB 1393 - (Representatives Kilichowski, Porter, Hanson; Senators Lyson, Uglem, Schneider) - Establishes that a crossbow is considered a legal weapon that may be used during the duration of any gun hunting season. Referred to House Energy and Natural Resources Committee.




A few weeks ago I had heard they were going to try and get crossbows legalized for the archery season.  I would not be in favor of that but for the gun season maybe...

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Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/18/2011 9:44 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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probably be alot more bow tags filled during regular gun season if they do that. No thanks.

 
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 08:06 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
No details on the State website.  Just says "any gun seasons"   Does that mean regular gun AND muzzy season, and if you use an X-Bow during a gun season do you tag the deer with your gun tag or archery tag?   

Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 08:28 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
If they are allowed during gun season and not archery there probably is a risk of increased filling of bow tags with a crossbow. We all abide by the laws so noone here should have to worry but im sure someone would bend it periodically.

Then you have the issue of determining which type of bow filled a bow tag during gun season if it comes into question. Proving it would be hard unless you had the arrow or a picture.

Since i have never shot or handled a crossbow before - Outside of not having to hold in fulldraw with a crossbow do they offer any greater advantage than the newer compound bows?

Sometimes what is going through your head, should stay in your head!

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Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 08:38 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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No.
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 09:46 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
NO! NO! NO!  A crossbow makes it way to easy for anybody to do it.  You think public land is overhunted now, just wait if they pass this bill. 
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 09:49 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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LKN4170 Said:
NO! NO! NO!  A crossbow makes it way to easy for anybody to do it.  You think public land is overhunted now, just wait if they pass this bill. 
It's only for gun season, not bow.

 
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 09:57 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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BringingThePAIN Said:
LKN4170 Said:
NO! NO! NO!  A crossbow makes it way to easy for anybody to do it.  You think public land is overhunted now, just wait if they pass this bill. 
It's only for gun season, not bow.



Bow season will be NEXT!!!!
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:27 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Crossbows in any season will do nothing but destroy hunting as we now know it. Gauranteed!

Is a crossbow some type of new invention?  No, been around since the cavemen quit throwing rocks at each other.

Is a crossbow easy to shoot? Is it accurate? Absolutely, anybody could shoot one with great success. Your Grandma could fire a crossbow with consistant results without any previous training. For example, the new PSE TAC 15 is marketed as being able to fire 1 hole groups at 100 yds! I am certain all the other crossbow manufacturers are designing their own version of this thing.

Why will they destroy hunting as we know it? Introducing crossbows, even in the "any weapon season" will certainly alter the number of coveted tags available. Allowing the use of these things in the regular season opens the door to allowing their use in the archery season.
Who cares? you say. This is what will happen. It has been proven in every other state that has allowed crossbows. Once they are allowed in a archery season, there will be an influx of new hunters into the archery season, who were not bowhunters before, because they can now use a crossbow. These new numbers along with a significant increase in harvest rate will have a drastic effect on the management goals set by our state biologists. This will result in losing our current ability to purchase archery tags over the counter and moving to a lottery system. You think it's hard to get a deer tag now. This will only make it worse.

So, quit wondering what tag you will be able to use and stand up and say NO! Let's keep these things out of any of our seasons and let's preserve the future of hunting in North Dakota!
"If you are not working to protect hunting, then you are working to destroy it.” Fred Bear
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:35 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I think this is means that a crossbow will be allowed for use for gun tags. Not for an archery tag.
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:38 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I agree with you, ndbowhunter! The foot in the door thing is troublesome. Better to keep them out completely while we can.

Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:40 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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nd_bowhunter Said:
Crossbows in any season will do nothing but destroy hunting as we now know it. Gauranteed!

Is a crossbow some type of new invention?  No, been around since the cavemen quit throwing rocks at each other.

Is a crossbow easy to shoot? Is it accurate? Absolutely, anybody could shoot one with great success. Your Grandma could fire a crossbow with consistant results without any previous training. For example, the new PSE TAC 15 is marketed as being able to fire 1 hole groups at 100 yds! I am certain all the other crossbow manufacturers are designing their own version of this thing.

Why will they destroy hunting as we know it? Introducing crossbows, even in the "any weapon season" will certainly alter the number of coveted tags available. Allowing the use of these things in the regular season opens the door to allowing their use in the archery season.
Who cares? you say. This is what will happen. It has been proven in every other state that has allowed crossbows. Once they are allowed in a archery season, there will be an influx of new hunters into the archery season, who were not bowhunters before, because they can now use a crossbow. These new numbers along with a significant increase in harvest rate will have a drastic effect on the management goals set by our state biologists. This will result in losing our current ability to purchase archery tags over the counter and moving to a lottery system. You think it's hard to get a deer tag now. This will only make it worse.

So, quit wondering what tag you will be able to use and stand up and say NO! Let's keep these things out of any of our seasons and let's preserve the future of hunting in North Dakota!

sounds like the exact same thing the recurve hunters said about the compound bows how has that worked out
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:46 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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nd_bowhunter, hunter numbers are dwindling and with that, the number of possible votes needed to hold off anti-hunting legislation.  I don't disagree with the fact that it is easier to use a crossbow than traditional archery equipment, but we all see the continued attacks on hunting.  I myself try to consider hunting as a whole, not divided into slices with distinct agendas.  IMO hunting needs membership.  If I have to give up a tag one year out of 5 to keep hunting alive, then so be it.   
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:56 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
This bill as it is written right now would legalize a crossbow during rifle season with use of your rifle tag.

I'm not positive as to what it would detail about the muzzleloader season.

There really is no argument as to why a person can't shoot their "rifle deer" with a crossbow. If a person can lean over the hood of their pickup and shoot a deer with a laser range finding scope at 800 yards, why can't a crossbow be used for that same tag?

We don't need them in the regular archery season. 
Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 10:57 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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NO! NO! NO!  A crossbow makes it way to easy for anybody to do it.  You think public land is overhunted now, just wait if they pass this bill. 
Why will they destroy hunting as we know it? Introducing crossbows, even in the "any weapon season" will certainly alter the number of coveted tags available


These two quotes illustrate that these arguments can also be appolied to the use of inline muzzleloaders in the muzzy seasons.   EXACTLY the same, "TOO EASY" arguments. 
 
I don't care about this issue one way or another, but any bowhunters against the use of crossbows are absolutely hippocritical if they use an in line muzzleloader during the muzzleloading seasons.    The inline to a 'real' muzzleloader is EACTLY what a crossbow is to any regular bow!  

Could it be that some of us want our cake and eat it, too???  
Good post KDM!
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by on 01/19/2011 11:03 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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gf.nd.gov/multimedia/ndoutdoors/issues/2010/oct/docs/both-sides.pdf

Article from Game and Fish from both sides of the argument.


Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 11:08 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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kdm Said:
nd_bowhunter, hunter numbers are dwindling and with that, the number of possible votes needed to hold off anti-hunting legislation.  I don't disagree with the fact that it is easier to use a crossbow than traditional archery equipment, but we all see the continued attacks on hunting.  I myself try to consider hunting as a whole, not divided into slices with distinct agendas.  IMO hunting needs membership.  If I have to give up a tag one year out of 5 to keep hunting alive, then so be it.   

Hunter numbers are NOT down in ND. Especially bowhunting numbers.
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by on 01/19/2011 11:10 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This reminds me of carrying a pistol in the Badlands during bow season.  Some similar names actually against this bill for the same reason they were against the archery bill.  That was fear and assumption archers in the Badlands would be smacking down giant mule deer bucks like drunken pirates taking down the British in the old sailer days.  Hmmm...that didn't happen did it??????

Folks, seriously.  I could go out any time and shoot something illegally with a cross bow and could do so with my rifle MUCH MUCH easier.  Lets be a little fair here.

I do not know if I am against this bill.  Like always, would like to see and hear the testimony to be convinced one way or another.




 
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Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 11:12 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Personally, I'd love to see inline muzzy's not allowed during the muzzy season, crossbows not allowed during the archery season, and even COMPOUND bows not allowed during the archery season. I do hunt with a compound bow, but I'd gladly give it up if it helped keep the other crap out. Hell, I'd even like to see wood bats only during softball season! However, I'm not an idiot and I know money talks and all of the above are huge businesses. Sooner or later crossbows will make their way into our ND archery season, but I say keep them out as long as possible. Unfortunately, anything that makes something easier eventually wins out in our FAT ASS LAZY ASS society.

The only exceptions to any of these things should be those who are physically handicapped due to illness, injury, age, etc. They should always be provided with exceptions to allow them to hunt and fish and enjoy other activities.

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by on 01/19/2011 11:28 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This bill simply allows a crossbow used during rifle season to fill a rifle tag...correct?

I agree, I don't want them in the archery season just like I don't want inline muzzleloaders in the muzzleloader season (I own one too).




 
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Re: HB 1393 (2011) - Crossbows legal during the gun season
by on 01/19/2011 11:29 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I really don't want to argue with anybody. There are several different opinions on the use of crossbows.

What I am trying to stick in your heads are facts. Do all of you that there were over 18,000 resident archery tags sold last year? Do you know there were over 3000 non resident archery tags sold last year?

With modern technology and current hunting practices, harvest success is beginning to make a serious impact on management goals. I kinda like buying my archery tag over the counter and being able to use it wherever I like. Like to keep it that way!

Stick bows vs. Compound.....Flint lock vs. inline.....It's all about not making the future any worse.

If crossbows were ever made legal in the archery season, how many more hunters would flock to the Mule deer grounds to hunt? Besides the 1000 or more non-residents. What kind of nightmare would this cause.

Preservation in very important. once things are out of hand, it is awful hard, if not impossible to repair.
"If you are not working to protect hunting, then you are working to destroy it.” Fred Bear
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