Gun Rights

Ask all the Illinois concealed weapon permit holders and Midway USA or Cabela's customers in Illinois that purchase their ammunition on line.....

I thought guns where going to be taken away or limited?

In case you missed it, they had a story on about Gun Control and why the Dems are fearful of it, today on FOX.

Fact is the last gun ban resulted in over 50 seats being forceably vacated, by voting gunholders, from Dems who voted for the ban.

But since you mention it the zealots are trying, fienstien will never let it rest, the AG and Clinton both have eluded to a new ban and the idiot Senator from New Jerky has just put forth a draconian gun ban - again. So far it has little support and the vote on Parks has sent a message about the Dems yellow backs and political whoring - they fear gun owners, as well they should. We vote.

Who said libs cannot learn.

As for the Holy O......so far he has been too chicken to tackle it - but he will - megalomaniacs always over reach.

Is that good enough for you?

Just as I thought,  you can dish it out, but you cant take it. I guess this is then bad news for Reps?

don't kid yourself they're trying to come up with stealth way to do it. 

Kaptain Said:
Just as I thought,  you can dish it out, but you cant take it. I guess this is then bad news for Reps?

While no one has come to take my guns yet, the anti-gun rhetoric is overwhelmingly one-sided. 

The big $$ contributers the libs are beholden to have been temporarily placated by several states allowing gay marrige and federal dollars sponsoring stem-cell research.

Gun control is a 2nd term issue for Obama as he knows any infringements on gun ownership means no 2nd term for him.

very true, Clay, which is why its suicide for the Repubs to try to change those things you mentioned.  A lot of modern thinking/knowlegeable  voters are saying "about time!"  At least, that's how I'm hearing it from my crowd! 
Heck, just got a favorable report of MS improving with gene therapy - but not from US researchers - Yet!

How or why is the President involved in State Parks anyway?

No one has come for my guns yet either but the ammo I would be buying is scarce and more expensive now.

Kaptain Said:
Just as I thought,  you can dish it out, but you cant take it. I guess this is then bad news for Reps?

Oh I can take it as well as I dish it out.

But fact is your trolling, and you know it. I just called a spade a spade.

And speaking of dishing it out - so how you liking Obama now he has hocked our future generations for his New Deal copied Spendulous...and is now running the Auto makers....trying to close Gitmo...Showing his socialist ideals in action....etc...etc...

First 120+ days in office and on to a record flop as a President...

Sweet.

Kaptain Said:
Obama as it appears will allow guns in State Parks. I thought they were going to be taking my guns away by now, according to some on this sight. I said it once and Ill say it again, when they actually come to my door to take a gun away, Ill be sure to let you know.

Ummm. I think that vote is part of the credit card bill. The right to carry arms in the NATIONAL PARKS was an amendment added by Senator Tom Coburn. Senator Harry Reid had blocked this amendment for more than a year. Obama has nothing to do with this and has no jurisdiction over STATE PARKS. However, the ND legislature did approve a bill allowing carrying of concealed weapons is state parks. C'mon  Kaptain get the story right if you are going to tought the largess of Obama.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/19/senate-votes-allow-loaded-gun-national-parks/

This was actually pretty clever. It was added to the Credit Card Reform Bill, and if Obama wanted the credit card reform he had to allow the carrying of guns in the parks. It was all one bill, so when he signed it, he got the guns with it. He didn't want the gun part, but he couldn't very well veto his own darn bill.

I'm very proud of the fact that ND got a CC in parks bill passed during the last session. Makes my day every time I think about it. Might be because I testified on behalf of the bill

Kaptain,

Do you suppose that the fact that every time any sort of gun restriction even gets mentioned millions of voting gun owners blow their lids has anything to do with the fact that there has so far been no further firearm restrictions? Simple cause and effect, amigo. Compare the modern 2A movement to the pitiful 2A movement that existed when the Brady Bill went through in '94. The tides have shifted and oportunistic politicians have recognized it. Why kick an angry dog if you can wait until he's sleeping? How do you not see this? I swear, Kaptain is a 14-year-old with a keyboard...

Kaptian,
If you are a Gun owner, your opinion is concerning.  At issue just isn't our RIGHT to own guns, but our ability to question those who have been elected to govern our country.  The framers of our constitution understood that citizens without arms are vulnerable.  Below is a quote from George Mason of Virginia in 1788.

"[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.". . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." -- Virginia`s U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

The British would restrict powder, materials to make bullets and guns.  Leaving the founders of our country unprotected. 

Kaptian, this is why we all need to be concerned and remember why our Country was formed in the first place.

walkswithwhispers Said:
I'm very proud of the fact that ND got a CC in parks bill passed during the last session. Makes my day every time I think about it. Might be because I testified on behalf of the bill

Seriously?  We can carry concealed in state parks now?  I knew it was up for a vote but I didn't know it passed.  Sweet!  About time common sense prevailed!

Anybody have a link to the bill as to how it's worded?  Just wondering about the "public gathering" part, I would assume carrying would be limited to the same restrictions as the rest of the state.

Strange.  We are going to get to carry concealed weapons in parks but we can't get legislation passed to allow us to thin elk in the parks by good ole safe hunting practices?  See Allen, I told you if the government REALLY wants to do the right thing they can by simply saying enough is enough and stepping out from the exuses.

Still, I am not quite sold on this whole idea Obama is supporting this.  If he is, he is playing the political game quite well.  Sure, carry guns folks but good luck trying to get one bought or afford one.  Did you like that Axelrod, I did an ole switch-a-roo.  They think I am supporting the 2nd ammendment but all I'm doing is putting up a smoke screen...muuu ha ha ha ha....

While any victory for the Second Amendment should be applauded, we cannot afford to get complacent or believe that the anti-gun establishment has suddenly come to their senses. This is a political game and the politicians are very good at it. While we may now be "allowed" to carry inside National Parks, the anti-gun establishment is working to implement the Medical Records Gun Ban. The article relating to this can be found here (which by the way discusses our beloved Senator Kent Conrad stabbing gun owners in the back):  http://gunowners.org/a042709.htm The Obama administration is also pushing for the treaty that would ban reloading. The article relating to this can be seen here:  http://gunowners.org/a042109.htm Too many of us have fallen victim to rejoicing when it is viewed that the government "allows" us to do something that is in reality our "inalienable right". I am grateful that a victory has been won in relation to guns in National Parks. However, I do not view this as being "allowed" to. I view it as a victory in reclaiming a basic and fundamental right to individual liberty and freedom. The anti-gunners are still working, albeit a bit more covertly. -Justin

Tim,

Umm, I don't think you are correct here.  I have always said that you needed Congress to change the law if the federal lawyers and agencies say something is illegal.  Appears to me as if that is exactly what happened here.   The law has been changed and the National Park Service not only HAS the authority to allow firearms, they HAVE to allow firearms in.

This is how it works at both the federal and state levels of govt.  If the politicians don't specifically give the agencies the authority, it can't happen.


Life will just be so much better if/when more people figure out how their govt works and give credit/responsibility to the right portion of the government. 


Now if Dorgan and Conrad would just figure that out about the elk, then we can all buy some unleaded ammo for shooting elk next year.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, pushed this Obama scare on you people more than the gun and ammo makers. They have profited more from his presidency in the past 100 days than they did under bush in eight years.

The gun and ammo makers intentionally used scare tactics to drive the price of guns and ammo thru the ceiling. guns and ammo are selling at a record pace and its ENTIRELY driven by scare tactics, as proven by the content of this thread.  As for a shortage of ammo "how convenient is that?". Put one-third the stock on the shelves, mix in a little rhetoric, and triple the prices, NICE!  I'm sure the NRA brass hasnt padded thier pockets of late either.

Oh that's what it is.  Darn, I thought it was the voting records of those in office and the bills sitting on the left desks waiting for the right moment.

Look at the voting record archer.  Then while you are at it look at the legislation waiting to be turned.  You know what you said is just a cop out.  I know you are smarter than that.  It is what it is for nothing more than good reason.  Is there a rush on it?  Yes, but I'm here to say, if Obama and more important if his warm fuzzies get their way this rush will be more than worth it.

If you dont think gun stores are using Obama to sell mega product and using the hype around him as a scare tactic to do so, ask a dealer. I know any good business man would run with the media tactics out there now.

I cant tell you how Obama is gonna be viewed as a president four years from now, but i can say that I do like his ability to make a decision to move forward. He has taken heat, as every presidnet does, without hiding from the media. Obama has faced the people of this country more in his first one hundred plus days than bush did in eight years.

I also find it ironic how dick cheney is speaking to the media almost daily, yet, when they were knee deep in chaos during their last four years it was unknown if he was even living!  I think its pretty clear that America is sick and tired of bush / cheney and wish they would simply go away and let the party repair its image and move forward in a positive way. There will be plenty of opportunity for the rep party to recapture the whitehouse in four years, but, not with the help of 'Burp and Slurp'. They already had their chance to "Accomplish the Mission".