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ground blind safety

by measure-it , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 10/27/2009 10:44 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
measure-it
Joined: 01/27/2009
Location: ND
I see on the 10/27-10pm news that the ND G&F is concerned about safety of those using ground blinds--seems the blaze orange 400 sq ft body and matching cap appearal is "hidden" in that style of blind.  Also, other discussions have mentioned this too.  G & F is talking that blaze org flags or signs might be the solution.  GET REAL.  I don't know too many hunters that will mistake a 5' x 5' x 6' camo box as a deer or a turkey.  Time to say enuf is enuf--leave well enuf alone!  This is the type of thing that anoys the hell out of me...and many others.  To the N D G & F:  MOVE ON!!!
Re: ground blind safety
by SpeedMaker on 10/28/2009 01:08 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
SpeedMaker
Joined: 11/27/2002
Location: ND
I am assuming it is for reasons that when ground blinds are brushed into a group of trees, etc. it is hard to see them if you do not know they are there.  They did not do a good job of showing this on the news when they had a ground blind sitting out in the wide open field.  Generally they are brushed into some sort of environment and there I could see it useful to have 400 square inches of blaze orange on them to make them more noticeable to hunters.  I am assuming you meant 400 square inches in your post because 400 square feet of blaze orange is a lot, might as well just paint your house orange and sit in that.  :)

"Skokie"
Re: ground blind safety
by swift on 10/28/2009 07:40 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
swift
Joined: 01/23/2002
Location: SD
Measure-it, Nobody will mistake a blind for an animal but the down range danger is real.  I'd like to see no ground blinds on public land during rifle season.  Bullets whiz through houses, cars and pickups and I'm quite sure nobody is mistaking them as a deer.  The reason the NDG&F need to make rules like this is to protect people like you from yourself.
Re: ground blind safety
by tearbear on 10/28/2009 07:41 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
tearbear
Joined: 11/12/2007
Location: ND
With more people sitting in blinds all the time, it is a issue that probally needs to be addressed! The few times I've used a blind during the rifle season I've attached a orange vest to the top of it! Better safe than sorry! Measure-it must not hunt on public ground or understand the people that are out in the field! This is a true safety issue!! Sorry! When guns are in hand I'd rather error on the side of safety! A little orange showing is just smart and seems to have no effect on the deer movement! Seems just smart to me!!!
Re: ground blind safety
by Bowhuntin on 10/28/2009 07:43 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Bowhuntin
Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
measure-it,
While not too many people will confuse a 5' X 5 'X 6' camoflauge blind for a turkey or deer, most reasonably intelligent people would understand that the purpose of the blind is to conceal the hunter. The concern of NDG&F is that rifle bullets can travel long distances and if someone is shooting at a deer which is 200 yds. away they may not see the blind with a concealed hunter in it that is behind the deer 1/2 mile. 

The mentality you have displayed is the same a few had when it was first suggested that wearing hunter orange by big game hunters should be required over half a century ago. Luckily, common sense prevailed and as a result many lives have been saved since then.

Blinds conceal not only the hunter but the legally required hunter orange garments and headgear. This is a no brainer and I frankly can't understand why G&F hasn't been more proactive with this problem and modified the proclamation to require blinds to have the same hunter orange requirements on all four sides before deer season starts this year. It will be a topic at the advisory meetings this fall, hopefully they won't be using the example of a dead hunter to get the point across to those who for some reason can't understand this.
 
Re: ground blind safety
by catmechanic on 10/28/2009 07:47 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
catmechanic
Joined: 06/10/2009
Location: nd
this definately is about long range not short range. if you are out walking and see a 5x5 at 400 yards on the edge of the trees, i guarantee you aren't going to see that camo blind sitting 20 yards back into the trees.

you wouldn't think that someone would be able to mistake a goose chair for a goose either. they are like 5ft long and 3 ft tall. twice the size of a supermag shell. but, there was a guy a few years back that was shot and killed in his goose chair. some guy was "haizing" geese with a rifle.

safety first guys.
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Re: ground blind safety
by LOV2HNT on 10/28/2009 08:00 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
LOV2HNT
Joined: 10/21/2009
Location: ND
Totally agree with the NDG&F on this one.  It is a saftey issue!  Everyone that hunts deer knows that they can't see the color orange and unless your orange flag or whatever they make you put out side your blind is blowing around and slapping the blind the deer won't even know you are there, but other hunters will!!

"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."
Re: ground blind safety
by archer on 10/28/2009 08:24 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
archer
Joined: 06/28/2002
Location: MN
Its not about shooting at the blind because it looks like a deer. It is more not knowing it lies in the background of a deer you may be shooting at. common sense says put orange around your blind, I know im gonna.
 
Re: ground blind safety
by solocam on 10/28/2009 08:42 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
solocam
Joined: 12/02/2005
Location: ND
tearbear Said:
With more people sitting in blinds all the time, it is a issue that probally needs to be addressed! The few times I've used a blind during the rifle season I've attached a orange vest to the top of it! Better safe than sorry! Measure-it must not hunt on public ground or understand the people that are out in the field! This is a true safety issue!! Sorry! When guns are in hand I'd rather error on the side of safety! A little orange showing is just smart and seems to have no effect on the deer movement! Seems just smart to me!!!

I used the same scenario last year.  Orange vest on top of the blind and had deer withing 10 yds at times!!  Even with the blaze orange vest, I was still a little uneasy in there because you'll never eliminate the stray bullet factor.  It can happen simply walking or sitting in the rig.  At least with the blaze orange marked blind, hopefully people hunting in the vacinity will not be shooting towards it!!  Let's all be safe and look out for each other!!

"When we step into the outdoors, we have the privilege of standing in the presence of God through the power and majesty of His creation. That makes hunting more than a sport or a hobby. It's a calling to something greater. And that transforms the places that we stand into something more than a cropfield or a pasture or a mountain. It makes that place Hallowed Ground."
Re: ground blind safety
by Tim Sandstrom on 10/28/2009 08:50 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Yeah this sort of thing has crossed my mind and has been talked about in the NDGF's latest webcast and also in their latest magazine edition.

Personally, I don't know if I'd have a problem with placing some orange on the blind.  I am NOT a fan of having to put up "hunter in area" signs as on any given hunting trip I may be moving each day and having to back track to put up a sign is just going to be a burden.

What I'd like is for it to be okay to have blaze orange broken with a slight camo breakup.  Kinda like the tree break up you see on camo clothing.  I don't believe it is legal for us to wear that camo but if it was implemented on a blind I'd hope it would be okay.

Having bullets whizzing by out in the field during deer season is a risk we always take.  Not only for hunters but everybody else that is out and a bout during the hunting season.  We should always be mindful of our background when shooting.  Relying on blaze orange makes it seem like we downgrade our responsibility to be safe but I understand why the conversation is being brought up.  It would be hard to really refute some minor requirements implemented for blinds during rifle season.




 
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Re: ground blind safety
by archer on 10/28/2009 09:49 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
archer
Joined: 06/28/2002
Location: MN
I have archery hunted during rifle season for many years. often wearing blaze orange and blue jeans. seldom do i get picked off by a deer. moverment and smell is their guiding light.  As for rifle season, blaze orange on any blind is common sense. I coulndt care less if you are worried about getting shot or not, I dont want to have to live with accidently shooting some idiot hidden in a unmarked ground blind.  
 
Re: ground blind safety
by Bri-Guy2 on 10/28/2009 09:59 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: ND


Fleet Farm sells blaze orange caps to put on ground blinds.  I believe they are universal and will fit on most blinds.  I know i'll be using at least an orange vest on top of mine, but might get one of these caps for better visibility. 
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Re: ground blind safety
by measure-it on 10/28/2009 2:30 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
measure-it
Joined: 01/27/2009
Location: ND
Well, I definately stirred the pot with this one!  I was trying to say that I don't see where a blaze orange "sign" on a blind will stop a stray bullet.  I understand the idea of alerting people to that fact that the blind is there, but where does this line end: orange on rural mail carriers' vehicles, big Deere combines, oh--and for heqvey's sake--the door of the outdoor privy! LOL  JUST THOUGHTS TO PONDER AND LIMITS TO CONSIDER.
Re: ground blind safety
by spooklive on 10/28/2009 2:41 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 11/15/2007
Location: ND
I don't think anyone is hiding the combine in a thicket of trees or brush.  As a shooter you have to realize whats beyond your target.  If you can't see a damn combine past your deer I hope you stay home.  Now a purposely concealed blind may not be readily discernable especially in poor light conditions without some blaze on it.   We have more and more laws implemented because people won't use common sense.
Re: ground blind safety
by Safety first on 12/01/2010 09:10 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Safety first
Joined: 05/13/2010
Location: wi
Ground Blinds are great for hunting they keep you out of the weather, and you will never fall out of a ground blind.  Blaze orange safety panels can keep you safe. The State of Wisconsin along with other states have gone to sometype of regulation that requrie ex amount of blaze orange visibile from each direction. For more information please see my website blind-n-site.com  Thanks Andy
Blaze Orange on ground blinds is all about being safe and seen. Why wouldn't want other hunters to know where your at. Wisconsin new law requires you to have 12"x12" blaze orange viewable from each direction. More and more grounds blinds are being used for gun deer hunting. Lets all enjoy the hunt and come back home safe.
Re: ground blind safety
by summer_eyes on 12/01/2010 11:47 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
summer_eyes
Joined: 05/18/2007
Location: ND
The only problem I have with this is that there are way too many inconsiderate people in my area now that dont care what belongs to who, so this will make it alot easier for them to go out and steal it, which is happening alot in my area now, even if its only suppose to be on while your are in it somebody drives by and sees it well the next day it is gone.  They are too expensive to just go but another one.

Re: ground blind safety
by Allen on 12/01/2010 12:40 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Allen
Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
Tim Sandstrom Said:
Yeah this sort of thing has crossed my mind and has been talked about in the NDGF's latest webcast and also in their latest magazine edition.

Personally, I don't know if I'd have a problem with placing some orange on the blind.  I am NOT a fan of having to put up "hunter in area" signs as on any given hunting trip I may be moving each day and having to back track to put up a sign is just going to be a burden.

What I'd like is for it to be okay to have blaze orange broken with a slight camo breakup.  Kinda like the tree break up you see on camo clothing.  I don't believe it is legal for us to wear that camo but if it was implemented on a blind I'd hope it would be okay.

Having bullets whizzing by out in the field during deer season is a risk we always take.  Not only for hunters but everybody else that is out and a bout during the hunting season.  We should always be mindful of our background when shooting.  Relying on blaze orange makes it seem like we downgrade our responsibility to be safe but I understand why the conversation is being brought up.  It would be hard to really refute some minor requirements implemented for blinds during rifle season.

Tim,
Blaze orange camo is not useful because of the color blind.  It may look like regular camo to them, hence the unbroken pattern.

I know of at least one person who no longer hunts because he can't differentiate very well between blaze orange and other more natural colors.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: ground blind safety
by Allen on 12/01/2010 12:43 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Allen
Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
summer_eyes Said:
The only problem I have with this is that there are way too many inconsiderate people in my area now that dont care what belongs to who, so this will make it alot easier for them to go out and steal it, which is happening alot in my area now, even if its only suppose to be on while your are in it somebody drives by and sees it well the next day it is gone.  They are too expensive to just go but another one.
summer_eyes, two things on this.  1. You could have a removable orange flag that is not displayed when there is no hunter in the blind since it doesn't have to be marked while not in use.  2. Use the biggest sharpie you can get your hands on to write your name on the blind fabric, deer can't read either.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: ground blind safety
by xtremehntr on 12/01/2010 1:53 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
xtremehntr
Joined: 08/27/2009
Location: nd
archer Said:
Its not about shooting at the blind because it looks like a deer. It is more not knowing it lies in the background of a deer you may be shooting at. common sense says put orange around your blind, I know im gonna.
You said it buddy, too many people get trigger happy during deer season and forget about what is "behind their target", that being said, I was in my stand last year, 15 feet off the ground. I was wearing full orange bibs, orange jacket, hat and gloves. Some deer ran between me and a group of hunters about 300 yrds away. I was not covered at all, in fact i was on the lake edge and they were directly across from me on the other side. Of course, these MF'rs decide to start shooting right at me, some people ignore the look beyond your target rule during rifle season. At least people like you have some good sense!!
Re: ground blind safety
by Captain Ahab on 12/01/2010 2:47 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Captain Ahab
Joined: 12/01/2008
Location: ND
tearbear Said:
With more people sitting in blinds all the time, it is a issue that probally needs to be addressed! The few times I've used a blind during the rifle season I've attached a orange vest to the top of it! Better safe than sorry! Measure-it must not hunt on public ground or understand the people that are out in the field! This is a true safety issue!! Sorry! When guns are in hand I'd rather error on the side of safety! A little orange showing is just smart and seems to have no effect on the deer movement! Seems just smart to me!!!
I used a blind the past 2 seasons, and I placed a orange vest on top as well.  I had a guy walk through the woods I was hunting and said he saw me right away(which is good).  Didn't seem to bother the deer.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin
Re: ground blind safety
by kzz1king on 12/01/2010 3:05 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
kzz1king
Joined: 01/13/2006
Location: ND

One of my hunting buddies pointed out how hard it was to see me this year. I was wearing an orange vest but woth it unzipped and a camo pack on and camo pats with a dark colored sleeves I kinda disappeared. Also watched another hunter with a faded vest on and he disappeared at times and I knew about where he was. I finished the hunt with orange on the pack and will have more on next year. Like someone else mentioned it is not fair to others.

Regarding blinds, signs are no good in my opinion, too far from blind. I like the idea of a cap that I can remove at the end of the day to avoid thieves.
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