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by , Posted to on 11/13/2010 8:58 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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China to play role in General Motors IPO

I love how we fight about Libtards and Retards when in fact we are all owned by the Big Boys. But let's just keep fighting each other while the rest of the world takes us over.

DETROIT – Among the banks helping General Motors with its initial public stock offering next week are two identified by initials only: ICBC and CICC.

Americans uncomfortable with U.S. government ownership of General Motors may want to hear more: One of those banks is the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, one of China's four big central government banks. The other, China International Capital Corp., is a joint venture run primarily by Central Huijin Investment Ltd., an arm of the state, and Morgan Stanley.

This is the first time Chinese government banks have participated in a major U.S.-issued IPO, according to IPO tracking firm Dealogic. The banks are listed as co-managers in the offering, meaning they will sell a portion of the new shares.

Chinese automaker SAIC, GM's partner in China, is finalizing plans to buy a roughly 1 percent stake, worth about $500 million, in GM's IPO, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday. SAIC is owned by the Shanghai city government.

Other foreign investors that are interested include several sovereign wealth funds located in the Middle East and Asia. The Journal says those funds, which manage the finances of royal families and some nations, could invest $1 billion in GM's IPO.

There could be political backlash for President Barack Obama, who has spent the past week in Asia addressing economic issues, like currency exchange differences between the U.S. and China. Obama has argued that China artificially deflates its currency, the yuan, in an attempt to make its exports cheaper.

Many Americans were unhappy when the U.S. bailed out GM, calling the company "Government Motors."

GM 's Nov. 18 stock offering will reduce the U.S. Treasury's stake in the company from 61 percent to 43 percent, and will help payback the more than $50 billion that taxpayers invested in GM to keep it from collapsing. More stock offerings will happen in the next year or so, letting the government fully divest from the automaker.

"It's a very political topic, but what Americans need to remember is that General Motors is an international company," says Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Automotive. "If we want to get our money back, we need to understand that they have to do business on a global basis."

The U.S. Treasury has been clear that international investors are welcome to invest in GM, and many outside the U.S. are considering taking stakes in the company.

"We expect that a large and diverse group of institutional investors will be offered an opportunity to participate, with no single investor or group of investors receiving a disproportionate share or unusual treatment," the Treasury said in a recent statement.

The U.S. has become a popular haven for Chinese investors, second only to Australia in attracting Chinese stock investments, says Derek Scissors, a research fellow at conservative think-tank The Heritage Foundation. The first half of 2010 was a record year for China, Scissors says. China has sunk $45 billion into investments and engineering projects worldwide. About $1.6 billion of those investments came to the U.S.

In China, businesses operate with the funding and blessing of the government, says Tim Dunne, director of global automotive operations for J.D. Power and Associates. The government behaves like an interested shareholder, ensuring companies have competent management and ensuring the companies boost economic growth in their regions.

Many Chinese automakers are looking for a way into the U.S. market, he says. China is the largest car market in the world, but the U.S. is the most profitable, he says.

"The amount of money changing hands here is much greater," he says. The average selling price of a car in the U.S. is $27,500, compared with about $17,000 in China. "Multiply that over millions of vehicles, and it's quite a difference."

SAIC and GM already have a long-standing partnership in China -- GM could not sell cars in China without partnering with a local business -- and it's unclear what size stake SAIC may take in GM. The deal would need Chinese government approval.

Chris Theodore, president of consulting firm Theodore & Associates, says SAIC's investment in GM is likely an attempt to strengthen its ties with the automaker. Theodore, who was part of a group that tried to take over Volvo before it was sold to China's Geely group, says SAIC isn't the kind of company that can branch out into U.S. sales. Most of its models use GM technology and are essentially GM cars.

"They rely on GM for a lot of their profitability," Theodore says.

Michael Maduell, president of the Sovereign Wealth Fund Institute, a California-based group that watches sovereign wealth fund investments, says global investors are looking at the U.S. because they believe the overall market is undervalued. Other potential investors in GM include Abu Dhabi's Mubadala and Singapore's Temasek, which are both known for actively investing in companies, Maduell says.

Investors are "looking at emerging markets, like China and India, but all those assets are overvalued," Maduell says. "America still has a lot of fantastic investment opportunities in real estate and small- to mid-cap stocks."


Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 7:45 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 They've earned the nickname "Government Motors" for good reason. I hope things get back to normal someday soon. I used to have some respect for GM.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 10:02 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Just bought a new truck.  Didnt even give GM a look, even with 0% financing.

I dont even feel bad about the Toyota badge in my driveway.  Ford just couldnt get the #s right and Didge wasnt on my radar.

GM was a no before I started the search.

YES, I am that foolish!

Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 10:17 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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luveyes Said:
Just bought a new truck.  Didnt even give GM a look, even with 0% financing.

I dont even feel bad about the Toyota badge in my driveway.  Ford just couldnt get the #s right and Didge wasnt on my radar.

GM was a no before I started the search.
Same viewpoint here.   I run a Chev and will not buy another.   I'm sick of the UAW BS and will buy non union made if possible in the future.   No use giving my hard earned money to fund a Democrat campaign through the UAW.   

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Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 10:56 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I also drive a Chevy and will be buying a Toyota this spring. Don't know why I ever bought a Chevy to begin with. Thing has done nothing but cost me money.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 11:05 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Ford convert here also!
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Re: General Motors
by on 12/28/2010 11:27 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
   I would love to buy a Ford on principal alone but they have forgotten the common man in his effort to take care of his own vehicle. The new ford pickups you can't even change your own spark plugs and it's an $800 bill minimum to have it done at the dealership. I won't ever buy another import anything so GM and Chrysler products will be what's filling my garage.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 00:10 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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3X where do you live not the U.S.A. obviously ....you say your not going to buy union made?  Way to help america out of the gutter.  That's the entire problem with our country years ago whatever was bought here was made here and it made us strong now I seriously urge everyone to look labels of anything next time you buy something other than from the grocery store and try to find american made by a union or otherwise we outsource everything.  Thousands of manufacutring facilities have closed in the last ten years.    Another thing i don't understand demorcats are for the middle class hard working americans.   The rich republicans are for the rich get richer.  of course the dems are going to support Unions i don't know about the rest of you but i'm no millionaire and probably never will be and i don't think there are to many on here so i vote my paycheck because that's the bottom line!      Here is one example of how not buying Union or american made hurts ALL of us i could list dozens. Ford, GM and Chrysler sell less than half the cars bought in the United States, but they buy about two-thirds of the parts made in the United States.

  • U.S.-based automakers buy much of the steel, rubber and semiconductors made in the United States; conduct more R&D than any other industry and have invested more than $230 billion in new plants and infrastructure over the past 25 years.

  • Investment in R&D has a big impact on whether tomorrow’s best jobs remain in the United States. In 2009, U.S.-based automakers spent $17.5 billion on R&D and 80 cents of every dollar was spent in the United States. U.S.-based automakers do the bulk of their research, design and engineering in the United States, unlike the foreign automakers.

  • From 2001 to 2005, the U.S.-based automakers invested more in U.S. plants and infrastructure than all the foreign automakers together invested over the past 25 years. Eighty-six cents of every dollar automakers invested in America came from Ford, GM or Chrysler; the remaining 14 cents came from all the foreign automakers combined. 

  • If anything buy Ford there opening new plants and selling great vehicles something that benefits us all in several ways.

  • Just please try to buy made in america no matter what you buy i know its harder and harder these days.

Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 00:36 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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honkers FYI, GM, Ford and Dodge outsource the assembly of most of their vehicle to companies in Mexico and Canada.  Also, Toyota may be a Japanese owned company but most of their vehicles are assembled here in the US, more than the big 3.  Unions are one of the reasons why this country has gone to shit.  Unions are not there for the common worker anymore.  Unions had their place in the past but they need to go away.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 04:29 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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NEWS FLASH.  If the deep part of our recession lasted 4 months longer, Ford would have been toast too.  Why do you think it traded at $1 per share for a while?  Oh, and it is YOUR tax dollars supporting GM and other domestic companies.  I don't know about you, but I would like to see a return on my tax dollars rather than sending my money over seas.  It will take a lot more than this for me to quit supporting the USA.  I hear the argument about assembly plants outside and inside the US, but the BOTTOM dollar goes to the parent company and the country of origin.  Last time I checked, I have an American flag in my office and I feel that I am patriotic to our country.  I wish more people would think logically and support the country in which they reside and quit complaining so much.  After all, this is the best country in the world.  Let's keep it that way.    "I would rather drive an old rusted out domestic pickup than a rice burning Jap car."  There's a quote for ya.   Oh, and one more thing.....over the past upteen years the domestic car companies donated many thousands of dollars toward good US causes like help with the 911 attack victims and cleanup.  Not one red cent came from our squinty eyed friends.  I'm done.  Bye.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin

Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 07:27 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Captain Ahab Said:
NEWS FLASH.  If the deep part of our recession lasted 4 months longer, Ford would have been toast too.  Why do you think it traded at $1 per share for a while?  Oh, and it is YOUR tax dollars supporting GM and other domestic companies.  I don't know about you, but I would like to see a return on my tax dollars rather than sending my money over seas.  It will take a lot more than this for me to quit supporting the USA.  I hear the argument about assembly plants outside and inside the US, but the BOTTOM dollar goes to the parent company and the country of origin.  Last time I checked, I have an American flag in my office and I feel that I am patriotic to our country.  I wish more people would think logically and support the country in which they reside and quit complaining so much.  After all, this is the best country in the world.  Let's keep it that way.    "I would rather drive an old rusted out domestic pickup than a rice burning Jap car."  There's a quote for ya.   Oh, and one more thing.....over the past upteen years the domestic car companies donated many thousands of dollars toward good US causes like help with the 911 attack victims and cleanup.  Not one red cent came from our squinty eyed friends.  I'm done.  Bye.
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Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 07:42 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The one thing you guys keep forgetting about GM and Ford.  While they may outsource some parts and some assembly, some of the best jobs are in the design and management of those companies.  Most of those are here in the USA.  Add to that a large majorityof the stockholders who receive the profits are also here in this country.  This is one American who's going to continue to buy GM products.  I find it so ironic how some of the same people complaining about GM are the same ones who are on here constantly complaining about our country going downhill and all the jobs leaving America.  Look in the mirror.  You're a part of the problem.  As long as you buy a vehicle or a product that's not based out of our country your just sending more of our money and jobs to another country.  If you're really such a conservative and patriotic American every single chance you get you should be supporting the people in your own country by trying to buy those products that keep the most of your money here in the USA.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 08:58 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Captain Ahab Said:
NEWS FLASH.  If the deep part of our recession lasted 4 months longer, Ford would have been toast too.  Why do you think it traded at $1 per share for a while?  Oh, and it is YOUR tax dollars supporting GM and other domestic companies.  I don't know about you, but I would like to see a return on my tax dollars rather than sending my money over seas.  It will take a lot more than this for me to quit supporting the USA.  I hear the argument about assembly plants outside and inside the US, but the BOTTOM dollar goes to the parent company and the country of origin.  Last time I checked, I have an American flag in my office and I feel that I am patriotic to our country.  I wish more people would think logically and support the country in which they reside and quit complaining so much.  After all, this is the best country in the world.  Let's keep it that way.    "I would rather drive an old rusted out domestic pickup than a rice burning Jap car."  There's a quote for ya.   Oh, and one more thing.....over the past upteen years the domestic car companies donated many thousands of dollars toward good US causes like help with the 911 attack victims and cleanup.  Not one red cent came from our squinty eyed friends.  I'm done.  Bye.
Congratulations Captain Ahab you just fell for the democrat trap.

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Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 09:16 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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3XGutshot Said:
Captain Ahab Said:
NEWS FLASH.  If the deep part of our recession lasted 4 months longer, Ford would have been toast too.  Why do you think it traded at $1 per share for a while?  Oh, and it is YOUR tax dollars supporting GM and other domestic companies.  I don't know about you, but I would like to see a return on my tax dollars rather than sending my money over seas.  It will take a lot more than this for me to quit supporting the USA.  I hear the argument about assembly plants outside and inside the US, but the BOTTOM dollar goes to the parent company and the country of origin.  Last time I checked, I have an American flag in my office and I feel that I am patriotic to our country.  I wish more people would think logically and support the country in which they reside and quit complaining so much.  After all, this is the best country in the world.  Let's keep it that way.    "I would rather drive an old rusted out domestic pickup than a rice burning Jap car."  There's a quote for ya.   Oh, and one more thing.....over the past upteen years the domestic car companies donated many thousands of dollars toward good US causes like help with the 911 attack victims and cleanup.  Not one red cent came from our squinty eyed friends.  I'm done.  Bye.
Congratulations Captain Ahab you just fell for the democrat trap.



So the answer is to buy foreign stuff?  Explain your point.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin

Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 09:22 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Have fun driving your Toyotas guys! So hypocritical to say that you wont support UAW made products. As Gonefshn said, the biggest and best jobs in Toyota go back to Japan, the biggest and best jobs with the Big 3 stay here in the USA.

This argument is old and ridiculous. As long as GM and Chrysler pay back the funds to the US government I HAVE NO PROBLEM!!!!!  Your vision of a "true capitalist" country would be in a pretty bad shape had none of the bailouts happened. Geussing the stock market would have tanked beyond belief if all the financial institutions were allowed to go down as well as huge American companies like GM and Chrysler. Ford bet the house by mortgaging the entire company right before the collapse, had they not taken monstrous loans out, they would be in the same boat.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 09:55 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Im all for buying GM vehicles if I can afford to trade them off before the warranty is up.  If not, I am better off with my toyotas.
Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 09:56 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yep this helps.....OHHHH my god we have a huge national debt,,,,,,,buy Toyota!  RIGHT I can see how this helps.
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Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 10:38 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I drive a Toyota.... Shoot me.   K, bye!!

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Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 10:43 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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bullheadmaster Said:
I drive a Toyota.... Shoot me.   K, bye!!

Big J

It's ok if you are "Special".  I forgive you and only you so far.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin

Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 11:14 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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It was my understanding that Ford did not take any bail-out money.  That means something to me.  That is why my wife and myself both have Fords in the garage right now.

Re: General Motors
by on 12/29/2010 11:27 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I should pull my head out of my arse cause the last vehicle I bought was because I liked it!!! 
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