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Garrison Dam Releases

by , Posted to on 05/20/2009 3:36 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/02/2006
Location: ND
Does anyone know what the Corps is up to now?  The Bismarck Paper shows realeases at 10,000 cfs.    The Corps website shows releases at 16,000.  A couple of times I have been out at Washburn and Stanton.   They are really going up and down on the flow.   At times letting a lot of water out, and levels  are fluctating a couple of feet in a matter of hours. I was out one evening and found the fish, went back the next morning and the river was up about 2 ft, muddy, and full of debris.  I was looking forward to good fishing and it did not happen.  Watch out for logs floating around out there.  Lake Oahe is basically full so they don't need the water downstream.
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by on 05/20/2009 3:41 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
They are or were in the middle of jacking up the releases.  It was sitting around the 10,000 just a few days ago, then they went to 16,000 and I think they want back to 10,000 and then back again to 16,000.

I have a lot of links that will maybe aid you in seeing what they are up to found at the link below:

http://www.fishingbuddy.com/north_dakota_water_levels




 
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by on 05/20/2009 6:47 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: nd
i heard it is to keep the piping plovers nesting higher on the sandbars.  apparently they will not nest on wet sand
 
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by on 05/20/2009 11:45 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/06/2008
Location: ND
waste'in time Said:
i heard it is to keep the piping plovers nesting higher on the sandbars.  apparently they will not nest on wet sand
What do these Do-Do birds do for the ecology?



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by on 05/21/2009 06:36 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
There is also the possibility they are responding to orders for electricity.   I don't know if that's the case, but it is one of the purposes behind the dam.

BTW, plovers provide species diversity.  Whether we like the species we don't eat doesn't matter when a person starts to look at the ecology as a whole.  Killing off every mosquito in the world may make your summer evenings a bit more pleasant without the use of DEET, but how many other species depend on the skeeter for food?

Birds, bats, and yes even fish eat mosquitos and their larvae.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
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by on 05/21/2009 07:36 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/22/2005
Location: ND
Might have something to do with the "spring pulse" for the pallid spawn???

The ESA is a contentious, often hated, often misappropriated, often misunderstood program. Combining politics and science only adds to the confusion. Plovers may be insignificant to many of us but are they insignificant to the ecosystem??

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by on 05/21/2009 3:56 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/23/2004
Location: ND
Bob is right - this is the "pulse" for the pallid sturgeon.  Releases have been 10,500 cfs for a long time, however, they increased to 16,000 cfs on May 7th, 10th, 13th, and 16th, with the two days in between each pulse at 10,500 cfs.  On May 19th the releases were increased to 16,000 and will stay there for at least the next three weeks.  Here is the link to the Reservoir Forecast.  Click on Forecast Information and then Reservoir Forecast > Mainstem Regulation Forecast - Three Week Tabular.  The Corps updates this every week and projects three weeks into the future.

http://www.nwd-mr.usace.army.mil/rcc/current.html
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by on 05/22/2009 08:22 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
Not real interested in piping plovers and pallid sturgeon.  They put Affirmative Action and HUD to mind.  They would have a better chance if they provided a tasty meal.
 Nuke the Whales
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by on 05/22/2009 08:38 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
While I don't know if it's true, the wife and I saw a HUGE bumper sticker on the back of a van last Saturday that said "PIPING PLOVERS TASTE LIKE CHICKEN".

She got a pic of it on her crackberry, I'll have to look and see if it turned out.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
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by on 05/22/2009 09:15 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
I don't think the pulse is being conducted out of the upper Missouri Reservoirs though.  Anyone?  I thought it was just out of Gavins Point?  Or maybe I read the Corp news releases too fast.


Corps set to run pulse to help sturgeon

OMAHA – With all of the reservoir and river conditions right, the Army Corps of Engineers announced today that it will initiate a “pulse” of water from Gavins Point Dam beginning at noon tomorrow. This increase is intended to benefit the endangered pallid sturgeon in the Missouri River.

With storage in the system of reservoirs far exceeding the minimum required for the pulse, other components that go into the decision to conduct it are downstream river conditions, water temperature, and nesting activity by the protected least terns and piping plovers.

There are flow limits in place that trigger reduction or elimination of the spring pulse during high downstream flows. An additional safeguard is the use of observed and anticipated rainfall into the Corps’ daily river forecast to provide greater assurance that flows will remain below the limits. River levels above these flow limits coupled with forecasts from the National Weather Service for additional rain resulted in the elimination of the pulse planned for March.

In coordination with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the number of days required to return to minimum navigation flows has been cut by three days to reduce the risk to downstream river users and to two protected birds, the least tern and piping plover, that are beginning to nest below Fort Randall and Gavins Point dams. In addition, the size of the peak flows will be reduced slightly to further limit the risk to downstream river users. The temperature requirements below Gavins Point have been met.

The level of the Missouri River will remain below the flow limits of 41,000 cubic per second (cfs) at Omaha and 47,000 cfs at Nebraska City. While river levels are now high at Kansas City, Boonville and Hermann, Mo., they each will be well below today’s stages by the time the pulse arrives. In addition, releases from several Corps dams in Kansas will likely be reduced enough to cut 1,000 cfs from the pulse when arrives in Kansas City about May 24.

The pulse from Gavins Point will be 6,000 cfs. Releases will be increased above the 17,000 cfs currently being provided to support minimum navigation. The peak release of 23,000 cfs will be held for two days. Beginning Wednesday, releases will be gradually reduced over 7 days until they return to the level necessary to maintain minimum service flows. Due to a hydropower unit at Gavins Point out for maintenance, 1,000 cfs will flow through the spillway during the two-day peak.



Corps adjusts Kansas releases to reduce pulse size

OMAHA – The size of the pulse of water released into the Missouri River on Monday to benefit the endangered pallid sturgeon will be cut by more than half below Kansas City as releases from two Army Corps of Engineers dams in Kansas are adjusted this week.

In an operation similar to that used in March 2008, the combined releases from Tuttle Creek and Perry dams will be reduced by a total of 3,500 cubic feet second (cfs) in time to coincide with the arrival of the pulse in Kansas City about May 24. A 6,000 cfs pulse of water was initiated at noon Monday from Gavins Point Dam. The two-day peak ends today at noon, with releases gradually reduced over the next seven days until they return to the level necessary to maintain minimum navigation flows.

River levels are currently declining at Kansas City, Boonville and Hermann, Mo. The cuts from the Kansas projects will reduce any rise in the river caused by the pulse. When it arrives, the stage at Kansas City is forecast to be about a foot lower than today. Boonville will be nearly 10 feet lower than today’s stage and Hermann down 5.6 feet. A flow of 6,000 cfs at Boonville is the equivalent of less than a foot of stage.

The pulse complies with the provisions of the Missouri River Master Water Control Manual and the 2003 Amended Biological Opinion published by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. It identifies pulses in the spring from Gavins Point as part of the Reasonable and Prudent Alternative to avoid jeopardizing the continued existence of the endangered pallid sturgeon.







 
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by on 05/22/2009 09:17 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Allen Said:
While I don't know if it's true, the wife and I saw a HUGE bumper sticker on the back of a van last Saturday that said "PIPING PLOVERS TASTE LIKE CHICKEN".

She got a pic of it on her crackberry, I'll have to look and see if it turned out.

They call them crackberrys or did you have a bad experience with the blackberry?  Just curious.  It sounds like potentially a good story.




 
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by on 05/22/2009 09:26 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND
tim, tis the little nickname that owners and those close to them have for the blackberry.  because the owner starts to become addicted to using it 24/7/365.  like crack. 
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by on 05/22/2009 09:37 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
Funny stuff Allen. 

I think they'd taste more like a fishy, stinking, Canada goose.  Or maybe dove.

PIPING PLOVER TASTES LIKE COD LIVER--Whatever; it's meat!!

Brought to you by:  The campaign for "Shoot it, Soak it, Grill it".
 Nuke the Whales
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by on 05/22/2009 09:45 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
espringers is correct.

I don't like cellphones and sure as heck will not upgrade to a crackberry.  I HATE THE DARN THINGS!

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
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by on 05/22/2009 10:13 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
My cell stays in the truck with a very confused battery.
 Nuke the Whales
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by on 05/22/2009 1:54 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/09/2009
Location: ND
OK  to protect the innocent I will not put any names in my post. However what I say is at least pretty much true.
Last year a fellow I know was at a meeting of officials from the state and the corp and fed. fish and game folks. They were discussing the future of the river near Bismarck. It was about bank stabilization south of Bismarck. Of course the Piping Clover discussion came up.  Stabilization would be a big problem for the Piping Clover. At least that is what the Feds were saying.
A fellow from the state piped up. " I don't know much about Piping Clovers but I hear that they are pretty tasty"
From what I heard most of the participants about split a gut. The Feds were not amused.
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by on 05/22/2009 2:59 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/24/2002
Location: ND
I've got a Blackberry but I prefer to call mine a Dingleberry.  lol 
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by on 05/22/2009 3:56 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
I dont think they should stabilize the bank south of town, its a river and should be allowed to meander where it wants to go...
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