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G&F Surveys

by tinker , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 02/03/2012 6:34 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
tinker

Joined: 10/30/2006
Location: ND
 am i the only one who questions how they get their numbers of animals taken? the surveys they send out only seem to hit my mailbox every 3 years, and that is just for deer or antelope. to get true numbers wouldnt they send surveys to everyone whom purchased a license?
realy gets me at how they say how many pheasants were shot in a year. wish i could make up numbers and get paid for it.
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Re: G&F Surveys
by Meelosh on 02/03/2012 6:37 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Meelosh
Joined: 05/26/2006
Location: ND
Interviewing every hunter is impractical. They collect data from a predetermined sample set and extrapolate data from it. The evil of statistics I'm afraid. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke‎

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: G&F Surveys
by eyexer on 02/03/2012 8:20 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
eyexer
Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
Meelosh Said:
Interviewing every hunter is impractical. They collect data from a predetermined sample set and extrapolate data from it. The evil of statistics I'm afraid. 

I would think they could require you to do an online interview as part of getting your license or something.  then they could get everybody involved
Re: G&F Surveys
by taylorman_55 on 02/03/2012 8:24 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
taylorman_55
Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
 Pheasant counts are not so called "tallied" by the surveys they send out. The biggest thing for them is listening to the "cocks cocking" procedure. That has held itself tried and true over the past... 20+ years or so? Also, I would say for number of deer taken surveys, they dont really rely on that as a huge count either. How many guys actually fill that survey out, and how many just throw it away? Again, im sure most of their numbers can be based on aerial surveys, which in itself, has been fairly accurate over the years, along with wardens in the area checking people out and seeing if they have filled a tag or not. Obviously with your last comment, you have little to NO knowledge about how the game and fish conduct surveys. Please do some more research and use your head before saying such nonsense again.
tinker Said:
 am i the only one who questions how they get their numbers of animals taken? the surveys they send out only seem to hit my mailbox every 3 years, and that is just for deer or antelope. to get true numbers wouldnt they send surveys to everyone whom purchased a license?
realy gets me at how they say how many pheasants were shot in a year. wish i could make up numbers and get paid for it.


 
Re: G&F Surveys
by Meelosh on 02/03/2012 8:38 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Meelosh
Joined: 05/26/2006
Location: ND
 
eyexer Said:
Meelosh Said:
Interviewing every hunter is impractical. They collect data from a predetermined sample set and extrapolate data from it. The evil of statistics I'm afraid. 

I would think they could require you to do an online interview as part of getting your license or something.  then they could get everybody involved
That would work. Make it similar to the HIP.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke‎

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: G&F Surveys
by taylorman_55 on 02/03/2012 8:41 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
taylorman_55
Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
 
Meelosh Said:
 
eyexer Said:
Meelosh Said:
Interviewing every hunter is impractical. They collect data from a predetermined sample set and extrapolate data from it. The evil of statistics I'm afraid. 

I would think they could require you to do an online interview as part of getting your license or something.  then they could get everybody involved
That would work. Make it similar to the HIP.


I would be happy with a program like that. Right now there is just not a cost effective way to get everything out to everyone. However, I highly doubt an online program will be involved, yes I know having internet access is a "norm", but how many older folks dont have the net that still hunt? I would imagine a few. For the overall majority it could prob. work though.
 
Re: G&F Surveys
by Meelosh on 02/03/2012 8:47 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Meelosh
Joined: 05/26/2006
Location: ND
 Well, like how I answered the OP. That is the evil of statistics. Rarely do statisticians get info from the entire population. They define a sample set and take what data they can from that. I would be interested to see what their +/- and confidence intervals are on some of the studies. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke‎

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: G&F Surveys
by eyexer on 02/03/2012 9:26 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
eyexer
Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
I haven't been surveyed in years
Re: G&F Surveys
by doublebarrelsaloon on 02/03/2012 9:34 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
doublebarrelsaloon
Joined: 04/22/2009
Location: MT
eyexer Said:
I haven't been surveyed in years
Better call the "masseuses."

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.
Re: G&F Surveys
by fishfinder97 on 02/03/2012 9:43 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
fishfinder97
Joined: 06/14/2010
Location: nd
I got one for upland, deer and waterfowl last year but just waterfowl this year. Do they not send them to the same people every year?
If everyone focused on the important things in life the world would have a shortage of fishing poles.
Re: G&F Surveys
by Meelosh on 02/03/2012 9:50 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Meelosh
Joined: 05/26/2006
Location: ND
 I think the sample set is randomly picked. I havent received an upland or waterfowl one but I have received them for whitetail rifle, archery and archery pronghorn. And as an added bonus I was selected for the USFWS dove one. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke‎

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: G&F Surveys
by BringingTheRain on 02/03/2012 9:50 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
BringingTheRain
Joined: 01/05/2010
Location: nd

I get one every year.
 
Re: G&F Surveys
by tinker on 02/03/2012 10:19 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
tinker
Joined: 10/30/2006
Location: ND
nice response till the end.
so you saying this quote: The peak in recent years was in 2007 when the harvest reached 907,434 roosters.
is TRUE? come on man.
got it from this link     http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/articles/2010/07/09/sports/doc4c3260ec2eb75203973429.txt
taylorman_55 Said:
 Pheasant counts are not so called "tallied" by the surveys they send out. The biggest thing for them is listening to the "cocks cocking" procedure. That has held itself tried and true over the past... 20+ years or so? Also, I would say for number of deer taken surveys, they dont really rely on that as a huge count either. How many guys actually fill that survey out, and how many just throw it away? Again, im sure most of their numbers can be based on aerial surveys, which in itself, has been fairly accurate over the years, along with wardens in the area checking people out and seeing if they have filled a tag or not. Obviously with your last comment, you have little to NO knowledge about how the game and fish conduct surveys. Please do some more research and use your head before saying such nonsense again.
tinker Said:
 am i the only one who questions how they get their numbers of animals taken? the surveys they send out only seem to hit my mailbox every 3 years, and that is just for deer or antelope. to get true numbers wouldnt they send surveys to everyone whom purchased a license?
realy gets me at how they say how many pheasants were shot in a year. wish i could make up numbers and get paid for it.




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Re: G&F Surveys
by Hardwaterman on 02/03/2012 11:03 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Hardwaterman
Joined: 11/06/2002
Location: ND
Again at the G&F Advisory meetings this issue has been addressed. Cost of setting up the data base and program is costly and it is in the works. However, the samples they do take have been a reliable product, much like the polling data that is done during election cycles. They have a margin of error+/-  that has been pretty accurate.

Now what they could do is set up registration stations like many other states do. But do we really need to spend the money on this when a survey has proven to be a reliable indicator?
In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!
Re: G&F Surveys
by SHORTHAIRSRUS on 02/03/2012 11:47 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
SHORTHAIRSRUS
Joined: 11/24/2004
Location: ND
i think our mule deer population is worth spending some time on --- send back your license or bring us the head. 

PS -- the MN app for android is nice regarding the lakes.  Same with the online version -- i like to read about the lakes.  It would be nice to see what the biologists r saying about the lakes in ND.   The #1 armchair biologist on here has his trap open all the time!!!!
Stay thirsty my friends
Re: G&F Surveys
by eyexer on 02/04/2012 07:19 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
eyexer
Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
doublebarrelsaloon Said:
eyexer Said:
I haven't been surveyed in years
Better call the "masseuses."


come to think of it that's a good idea. 
Re: G&F Surveys
by Allen on 02/04/2012 09:25 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Allen
Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
I get multiple surveys every year.  Some for deer hunting, turkey, upland, waterfowl, you name it.  If they got a survey for it, I will get it. 

Always try to get them filled out and sent back in.  Just another form of data collection they use to put the big picture together.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: G&F Surveys
by fisherman25 on 02/04/2012 09:40 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
fisherman25
Joined: 11/26/2010
Location: nd
 
tinker Said:
nice response till the end.
so you saying this quote: The peak in recent years was in 2007 when the harvest reached 907,434 roosters.
is TRUE? come on man.
got it from this link     http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/articles/2010/07/09/sports/doc4c3260ec2eb75203973429.txt
taylorman_55 Said:
 Pheasant counts are not so called "tallied" by the surveys they send out. The biggest thing for them is listening to the "cocks cocking" procedure. That has held itself tried and true over the past... 20+ years or so? Also, I would say for number of deer taken surveys, they dont really rely on that as a huge count either. How many guys actually fill that survey out, and how many just throw it away? Again, im sure most of their numbers can be based on aerial surveys, which in itself, has been fairly accurate over the years, along with wardens in the area checking people out and seeing if they have filled a tag or not. Obviously with your last comment, you have little to NO knowledge about how the game and fish conduct surveys. Please do some more research and use your head before saying such nonsense again.
tinker Said:
 am i the only one who questions how they get their numbers of animals taken? the surveys they send out only seem to hit my mailbox every 3 years, and that is just for deer or antelope. to get true numbers wouldnt they send surveys to everyone whom purchased a license?
realy gets me at how they say how many pheasants were shot in a year. wish i could make up numbers and get paid for it.




I don't really get what your disputing?  
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Re: G&F Surveys
by taylorman_55 on 02/04/2012 09:44 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
taylorman_55
Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
 All I understood from Tinker... is that he thinks the G and F make up numbers, which I can assure him, they do not.
 
Re: G&F Surveys
by fisherman25 on 02/04/2012 10:27 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
fisherman25
Joined: 11/26/2010
Location: nd
 Well if he's trying to say 07 wasn't the highest numbers for the pheasants, it could be true for his area.  The thing to remember here is a good portion of the pheasant numbers are in the south and western part of the state.  Around our farm, the peak was probably a year later, but just 20 miles south and west of us, they were down.  If I remember right, 2008 wasn't the best year for the SW corner of the state when it comes to pheasant hatches.  There was either a late snow or a hail storm that did some damage.  Irregardless, the most important part of having surveys is consistency.  Of course it's not hard numbers, but it shows the trends, which is what they use to compare to other years so they know how to manage the next year.  
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Re: G&F Surveys
by tinker on 02/04/2012 12:15 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
tinker
Joined: 10/30/2006
Location: ND
 Im saying how on earth can they get numbers, EXACT numbers like the one i posted? ive been hunting for 12 years and have never got a survey for upland game.
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