fur in prime?

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fur in prime?

When do the furs (coyote, fox, badger) go into prime? I shot a badger this last weekend that looked really good. Seems like it should be a bit too early for that. Haven't shot a coyote yet this fall, waiting for the right time, but if the badgers look that good, are the coyotes prime as well?

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everything still needs a bit more time.  badgers arn't prime till feb-mar. no fur is worth much now. coyotes and coons are nearly worthless

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according to most fur buyers, it seems the fur is never prime.  Throw the badger in the freezer.  I should be worth something this winter.

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Been picking up road kill fur fur about a week

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I was out walking for pheasants in the NW part of the state this last weekend. I kicked up a really nice looking coyote. Real thick and heavy. I've seen a couple others that look really heathy, hopefully the ND coyotes are worth something this year.

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ktent Said:
according to most fur buyers, it seems the fur is never prime. 

One very large AMEN TO THAT!!!!

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I had 2 yotes sneak on my goose decoys yesterday and they were beutiful very fured up up.  they looked like show dogs.  coons should be getting close

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Don't take to minot he'll tell you that he's so full from last year that it's worth 5-10 dollars. You hear that year after year same old story.

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I talked to the guy at the FUR SHED in downer and he said He is not buying any furs until he gets rid of the ones he has already. he said fur sales droped to the lowest.

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So a guy is best off letting them run away then. Or skinning them and getting another deep freeze to keep the hides for 10 years.

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The Anti people did it . It's easier for them to hate a lady for wearing a fur coat than a group of bikers wearing Leather.  

 

 

 

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In all reality the anti's have very little to do with it.  Back in the late 80's I owned a mink ranch.  The anti's were really getting into full gear then.  We'd go to conventions and they were just insane.  In 1987 the mink at auction set record highs for prices.  In 1988 they fell to record lows.  The anti's were all over themselves claiming victory.  But the irony of the deal was that there were more mink coats being sold than ever.  What truly happened is that there was a trade embargo with Russia that was lifted.  Russia is probably the largest mink producer in the world.  The U.S. people in the mink industry thought Russia had been selling their furs on the european market during the embargo of the 80's.  When in fact they had been storing them for a long time.  Well about the time the embargo was lifted, Russia was in the worst economic shape it had probably been in.  They had to unload all their mink on the market at once.  It basically crashed the market and the fur market has never recovered.  But the sales of furs on the retail market has continued at an incredible pace. 

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The Anti people did it . It's easier for them to hate a lady for wearing a fur coat than a group of bikers wearing Leather.  

 

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Ok that might explain why mink are down,  What about the rest of the fur market coyote, Fox Badger and everything else that crashed along with them ?  Just because there is a bumper crop of oranges in Florida doesn't mean apples and strawberries are going to be cheap

 

 

 

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Russia and China are our main consumers of wild fur now. As the world wide economy improves so will the price of wild fur.
There is a glut of fur in the system now due to low prices paid late last season. As the economy improves so will the movement of these furs. The raising price of oil will help the Russian economy and will help the coon market. Ultimitly the Russians are the worlds largest consumer of raccoon.
It will take a good coyote to bring $10 this year.
By the way 2 years ago I averaged over $39 on coon.

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the other furs go the way the mink go.  It is a rather strange marketplace.  when mink prices are high, the other pelts sell for more than they usually do because compared to mink they are much less and the mink are too high priced for most people.  When mink prices crash, other people can than afford them so they jump on the mink bandwagon and forego the other furs thus creating too high of inventory of those and so the prices plummet.  Back in 1978-1981 mink prices were sky high and fox were bringing $100 and coyotes $200.  Needless to say we shot the crap out of them. 

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Ok that might explain why mink are down,  What about the rest of the fur market coyote, Fox Badger and everything else that crashed along with them ?  Just because there is a bumper crop of oranges in Florida doesn't mean apples and strawberries are going to be cheap

 

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I disagree with the saying that other furs go which mink goes, it all depends on the Russia and China.  If cold in them areas, price will rise.  Look at the lynx cat a couple years ago, they were selling for 750 average in the Idaho, Nevada, Eastern Washington, and Oregon with some good prices coming outta Wyoming, Utah and Montana.  One cat went for $1600 and that was because wild fur was in fashion that year.  Other countries wanted the animals.

Check out this site for a future outlook
http://ecodefense12287.yuku.com/topic/1164/t/NAFA-2009-Wild-Fur-Forecast.html

Also, fur primeness is based upon photoperiodism and genetics.  It has nothing to do with cold weather.

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lynx are kind of in their own league so to speak.  there are so few taken each year that I think the supply/demand thing with them works like normal.  but I may be wrong.  I was unaware that chinese wear fur. 

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I disagree with the saying that other furs go which mink goes, it all depends on the Russia and China.  If cold in them areas, price will rise.  Look at the lynx cat a couple years ago, they were selling for 750 average in the Idaho, Nevada, Eastern Washington, and Oregon with some good prices coming outta Wyoming, Utah and Montana.  One cat went for $1600 and that was because wild fur was in fashion that year.  Other countries wanted the animals.

Check out this site for a future outlook
http://ecodefense12287.yuku.com/topic/1164/t/NAFA-2009-Wild-Fur-Forecast.html

 

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Have you guys ever checked Canadas market ?   Winnipeg has an auction , I have never sent any up but I know a couple of people who have and they claim that they got quite a bit more than they would have in the U.S. 

 

 

 

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I hae sent furs to winnipeg in the late 80s it was good back then but now i know people that have had furs sitting waiting to be sold.

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Ya the auction houses do give out some better prices, but you have to skin and stretch.  If willing to put your own fur up, will get higher prices.  One reason why fur prices has been down is especially coon is back in 2007 coon prices were high and most coon early or prime was given some good prices.  Well now the auction house still has coon in storage.  It just isn't coon, they have lots of coyotes, etc.  Once they can lower the numbers in there storage and sell some of them furs, prices will come up.  Two different auctions houses, NAFA and FHA.

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When I wrote lynx cat, that is just how the auction houses grade the top bobcats.  Bobcats from the states of eastern Oregon and Washington, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming and etc.  Western mountain states.

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the only fur holding any value is Badger, i'm still buy such skins up to $30 whole carcase, now on to this China and Russia talk,  each countries have there bread and butter fur,  Like as said before Russia its the coon, Italy and Greece buy alot of the mink, and China buys most of our Muskrat, as everyones talk the yotes, there not getting used for full out coats as alot of you may thing,  coyotes are almost all trim pieces, on collars and on rist's and so on, and the lighter the yote the better it is,  There's alot to be said about fur and when it comes down to it, alot of you bash us fur buyers,  do to primeness or damage ect.  you all need to reallise there we're taking the money risk just hoping to break even or make a buck or be out hundard's or thousands in just one season, fur prices change all the time by every week or every month, they never stay the same, because you've got different grades, colors, sizes, and damage.

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Let me ask you this since your a fur buyer.  What are you paying on average for Male Mink and Female Mink.

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the only fur holding any value is Badger, i'm still buy such skins up to $30 whole carcase, now on to this China and Russia talk,  each countries have there bread and butter fur,  Like as said before Russia its the coon, Italy and Greece buy alot of the mink, and China buys most of our Muskrat, as everyones talk the yotes, there not getting used for full out coats as alot of you may thing,  coyotes are almost all trim pieces, on collars and on rist's and so on, and the lighter the yote the better it is,  There's alot to be said about fur and when it comes down to it, alot of you bash us fur buyers,  do to primeness or damage ect.  you all need to reallise there we're taking the money risk just hoping to break even or make a buck or be out hundard's or thousands in just one season, fur prices change all the time by every week or every month, they never stay the same, because you've got different grades, colors, sizes, and damage.

 

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well on a good yr. $10 large male and $5-6 for females or young males,  but with selling prices the way they are its about half

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explain to me why you pay more for males than females. 

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well on a good yr. $10 large male and $5-6 for females or young males,  but with selling prices the way they are its about half

 

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size, big buck mink are larger then adult females.there for there are less pelts needed for making such things and there willing to pay more for less, or pay less for more fur,  for ex. if you were making mink coat and you only needed 30 big males or you need 35 females or young males,  this means your going to have to put in more labor sewing up 30 verses 35 when putting them together. and if your saving more time only sewing up 30 verses 35, that means more can now be made in the same amount of time, which now means more can be sold, and the more that are sold, the more money brought in,   and starting all over again with paying more for large males, starts the cicle over again.

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I always found it ironic that when I was growing up trapping we always got more for the males than females.  Then once I started raising mink and sold them at the major fur auctions such as Hudson Bay Co. and Seattle Fur Exchange, we averaged close to twice the price for females than males.  The quality of female fur is very superior to males fur.  In fact we had some colors of mink that brought 3-4 times more for females than males.   There was a ranch in NW Iowa that had the finest quality blacks in the world.  Their females averaged $750 a pelt (no that's not a typo),  their males averaged mid $300's. 

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size, big buck mink are larger then adult females.there for there are less pelts needed for making such things and there willing to pay more for less, or pay less for more fur,  for ex. if you were making mink coat and you only needed 30 big males or you need 35 females or young males,  this means your going to have to put in more labor sewing up 30 verses 35 when putting them together. and if your saving more time only sewing up 30 verses 35, that means more can now be made in the same amount of time, which now means more can be sold, and the more that are sold, the more money brought in,   and starting all over again with paying more for large males, starts the cicle over again.

 

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eyexer Said:
  The quality of female fur is very superior to males fur.  In fact we had some colors of mink that brought 3-4 times more for females than males.   There was a ranch in NW Iowa that had the finest quality blacks in the world.  Their females averaged $750 a pelt (no that's not a typo),  their males averaged mid $300's. 

    Boy 750 a pelt is some good money, Was it genetice that made his mink so premium ?  Does climate play a roll ?    I think we got 60 for a few males one year but even at 30-40 for wild males  we thought we were rich. Some years my dad used to let the trapped females go again, (Or make me do it.)  That was always a circus , 

 

 

 

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that was serious money.  I can't remember the name of the ranch but they were in NW Iowa.  It took them many years to achieve the quality of fur they had through genetic crossbreeding.  The ranch I bought had 14 colors of mink when they sold out.  They kept their 400 best females and 50 best males and sold them to a company overseas.  They averaged $400 a piece for that breeding stock. 

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eyexer Said:
  The quality of female fur is very superior to males fur.  In fact we had some colors of mink that brought 3-4 times more for females than males.   There was a ranch in NW Iowa that had the finest quality blacks in the world.  Their females averaged $750 a pelt (no that's not a typo),  their males averaged mid $300's. 

    Boy 750 a pelt is some good money, Was it genetice that made his mink so premium ?  Does climate play a roll ?    I think we got 60 for a few males one year but even at 30-40 for wild males  we thought we were rich. Some years my dad used to let the trapped females go again, (Or make me do it.)  That was always a circus , 

 

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HunterJohnson,
since badger and coon are hotter than coyote and fox, bringing better money that is, how do you prefer getting them as a fur buyer? carcass, skinned, skinned and salted, stretched?

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bump -- still looking for an answer to this one. Badgers all over the place.... trigger finger is itching pretty badly.

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I'm guessing he didn't like where this post was headed. 

 

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I been wondering this myself, I itchin to go yote hunting but I don't want to kill anything until the fur is pretty decent. I'm not interested in selling but I want to tan my hides for decoration or maybe to make a blanket out of or something. Does it really take till January ?

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I don't give a $#it if prices are down get out there and shoot them yotes there is way to many at least in my neck of the woods there is. But i will be trying to hunt them here real shortly when it cools down a little bit before i have to start fishing first ice then will maybe start up again. I don't care what they give me for them i just want to get rid of them or should i just throw them on a rock pile and not to the buyers then the maybe the prices wil go up.