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There are several forums going on.  It will obviously be a bad time for Bismarck and people will want to chatter about it.  Lets keep all the related talk in here.

The latest projection is for the dam to hold at 85,000 cfs through June 8th.  Unfortunately, this is not in good news.  It is a means to allot time for Bismarck / Mandan and other downstream communities and homes to prepare for what is coming June 9th.

On June 9th the dam will be pushing 105,000 cfs.  It has been told the rainfall out west in the last couple weeks has equaled the ANNUAL rainfall.  You simply do not and cannot plan for that.

Releases may need to go even further if we get rain events.  Plus obviously, we have record snowfall on the way.

Not good folks but it is no time to ridicule, panic or place blame.  Quite frankly, Mother Nature is winning and we will leave it at that.

Thanks for understanding and lets remember Fargo and their fights.  Together, they got through this and at one point in time they were in uncharted territory.  Bismarck has never seen this and it will take strong efforts from our citizens to get through it.  But I believe we can.

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The Corp updated their bulletin.  I imagine this number will climb higher.

http://www.nwd-mr.usace.army.mil/rcc/reports/showrep.cgi?3MRDTAP7


 

 

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Tim,
Is it true that every 5,000 cfs adds a foot to the river level?  It seems like a lot.

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Will the airport in Bismarck be affected by the flood waters??

 

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The Corp is working on a stage map to show where 120,000 cfs will be. They don't know yet where 120 will be. It really fans out so don't assume anything.   The lake level of Oahe factors in as well.

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 Talked with my dad who owns a couple businesses and several buildings at the airport and at this time the airport is fine. However, getting to it might require watercraft.

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Farnorth Said:
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Is it true that every 5,000 cfs adds a foot to the river level?  It seems like a lot.

I cannot comment for sure but I can share my Big Muddy Classic fishing tournament research.  At the start of the tournament the river was at about 15,000 - 20,000 some cfs and an increase to 30,000 cfs for the tournament was equivalent to a 2.5 ft rise.

So going by that it takes a little more than 5,000 cfs to raise the river 1 foot.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

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Is it true that every 5,000 cfs adds a foot to the river level?  It seems like a lot.

I cannot comment for sure but I can share my Big Muddy Classic fishing tournament research.  At the start of the tournament the river was at about 15,000  some cfs and an increase to 30,000 cfs for the tournament was equivalent to a 2.5 ft rise.

So going by that it takes a little more than 5,000 cfs to raise the river 1 foot.

You can not view it that way.   The cross section of the river channel is irregular.   Just think about what happens when the river gets up out of the immediate defined river bank.   Big flat fields will get flooded and the water fans out.   Wait for the new map they will have out shortly.    Now I'd like to know why a stage map is not available before something like this happens.   It's not like the Corp hasn't had 43yrs to work on it.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

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Tim --- i have been busy this am and not able to listen -- -repost the numbers --- i am being told by my relly who is in the affected area - that its going up within 10 days into bis -- to 110-120  exactly what SD was saying.

What is going to be the true number?

Stay thirsty my friends

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3x your completely right, this sort of mapping can be computed, should be, and should already be in the public's hands for use.

As for sandbagging in Bismarck, wow, lots of people don't know what they are up against and are making sand bag dikes that in lots of cases are not going to stand up to a long event.  All I can say is stack em wide and deep. If you build a wall like you do for your kids snow fort. Your in trouble. I know the sand bag fillings stations could really use more help filling as well.  Good luck to all.

Phil

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I'm sure there will be a learning curve, sure hope everyone from Bismarck jumps in and helps. It sounds like gonna get ugly


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The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Tim --- i have been busy this am and not able to listen -- -repost the numbers --- i am being told by my relly who is in the affected area - that its going up within 10 days into bis -- to 110-120  exactly what SD was saying.

What is going to be the true number?

85,000 thru June 8th.

105,000 starting June 9th and hope it holds...

120,000 cfs is not out of the question.


 

 

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…


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Tim,
Is it true that every 5,000 cfs adds a foot to the river level?  It seems like a lot.

I cannot comment for sure but I can share my Big Muddy Classic fishing tournament research.  At the start of the tournament the river was at about 15,000  some cfs and an increase to 30,000 cfs for the tournament was equivalent to a 2.5 ft rise.

So going by that it takes a little more than 5,000 cfs to raise the river 1 foot.

You can not view it that way.   The cross section of the river channel is irregular.   Just think about what happens when the river gets up out of the immediate defined river bank.   Big flat fields will get flooded and the water fans out.   Wait for the new map they will have out shortly.    Now I'd like to know why a stage map is not available before something like this happens.   It's not like the Corp hasn't had 43yrs to work on it.

I understand that and why I said I shouldn't comment because the river is swelling.  And on that note, I fail to understand how 5,000 cfs on a swelling river could bring it up 1 foot.  But I don't know.


 

 

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The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

I wish they would cancel school and get some kids out here filling sandbags.

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"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.


 

 

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To add to the mess this weekend is state track! Could you see them postponing state track?... Thousands of extra people in town on top of a major flood.... sounds like a mess to me!

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To add to the mess this weekend is state track! Could you see them postponing state track?... Thousands of extra people in town on top of a major flood.... sounds like a mess to me!

absolutely they should cancel imho

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

yelowjackt Said:

What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

I think Yelowjackt is refering to when they raised the crest prediction in 09 after Fargo had already had all the sandbagging done then had to scramble to raise them another 2 or 3 feet in under 48 hours. 

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It is still a completely different beast.  Bismarck starting from scratch.  They don't need to just add to a system already in place.  Plus, they already have to add onto scratch the way it is.

Not a fun position to be in.  This event isn't suppose to happen and it surely isn't suppose to happen like it has.  When two states recieve their drainage basin annual total rainfall in two weeks there isn't much preperation involved.

There is going to be disorganization.  There is going to be anger.  Frustration.  Etc.  People need to be patient.  As hard as it will be, they just gotta.

The mapping side of this I cannot comment on.  I don't know if they have LIDAR, if they have surveyed data or what they have.  I'm sure they are pounding the keyboards trying to get things shaped up to an efficient tool.

Patience again.  Uffda, my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone.


 

 

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In 09 FArgo only had 2 weeks to build the sandbag dikes I thought, I know I was out there for a week throwing bags and such. it was a frantic pace and it got done because everyone came together.

A flood is a flood regardless speople should be leaving work and school and getting out of bed to do it. Water is no joke and it isn't like "oh it won't go that high or it will go north of us and we don't have to worry about it" That mentallity won't get anyone anywhere now is the time to step up and contribute to the community you live in and help save what you love.


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Agree it's a different beast...no argument there.  City leaders in Bismarck need to basically shut down the city and put all hands on deck.   They can get it done....they need to get it done.  I feel for everyone out there dealing with this.   Not good.

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The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

I wish they would cancel school and get some kids out here filling sandbags.

cant agree more --- negligence on part of the school board and administration.

Stay thirsty my friends

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I hate to say it, but a lot of folks are just plain screwed.  Someone should be concentrating on finding places for families to stay.

Everyone who can provide a roof for displaced families, I encourage you make plans to help your fellow North Dakotans through this.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Has anyone heard or seen what they feel the level will be at 105,000 and 120,000 if it has to go that high .  I guess at 85,000cfs its 18 feet

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3x your completely right, this sort of mapping can be computed, should be, and should already be in the public's hands for use.

As for sandbagging in Bismarck, wow, lots of people don't know what they are up against and are making sand bag dikes that in lots of cases are not going to stand up to a long event.  All I can say is stack em wide and deep. If you build a wall like you do for your kids snow fort. Your in trouble. I know the sand bag fillings stations could really use more help filling as well.  Good luck to all.

Phil

Please distribute this very good sandbagging guide to everyone you know in Bismarck so the info trickles through...

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ageng/safety/ae626.pdf

I worry about sand boils, etc. for Bismarck's sandy soils though. In the Red River valley we have tight clay everywhere which is a blessing, even for laying sandbags on top of. I'd hate to have to babysit sand boils for months. Ugh.

 

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Omaha, Neb. – Releases from the Missouri River reservoirs will reach historic levels in the coming weeks, the result of above-normal snow in the mountains and extraordinary rain over the last several weeks. Significant flooding in cities, towns and agricultural land is expected in North and South Dakota with many areas from Sioux City, Iowa, to the Mississippi rising above flood stage.

Flows from five of the six dams are expected to reach a record 110,000 cubic feet per second (cfs). The previous high releases were 70,000 cfs in the fall of 1997. “Public safety is our number one concern,” said Brig. Gen. John McMahon, commander of the Northwestern Division of the Army Corps of Engineers. “We are working closely with state and local emergency management teams to identify potential flood areas, provide residents with the most current information and help protect vital public infrastructure.

“People along the river are encouraged to make evacuation plans to protect their possessions and property. Maps for potential flood areas will be available at www.nwo.usace.army.mil and from local emergency management offices,” he added.
Flooded areas are expected to be inundated for several months.
“Moving water out of the reservoirs is essential to prevent the spillways from being overtopped which would make flooding much worse,” said General McMahon. “Our release plan is based on the rain we’ve already received and the forecasted snow melt. More heavy rain storms could cause major revisions.” At these levels, additional releases do not significantly change the foot print of the flooding, only the depth.

In the last month, the upper basin has received a year’s worth of rain. “The amount of rain has nearly filled the reservoirs, doing away with most of the flexibility we had built into our operations for this year,” said Jody Farhat, Chief of the Water Management Division here. “With the arrival of the 140 percent-of-normal snowpack runoff, all the reservoirs will reach their maximum levels.”

Releases Fort Peck, Mont., are expected to reach 40,000 cfs in early June and peak at 50,000 cfs in early July. The reservoir is forecast to reach within a foot of the top of the spillway gates.

Garrison releases will increase from the current 75,000 cfs to 85,000 cfs on Monday, May 30 and reach 105,000 cfs about mid-June. The peak reservoir level will likely reach the top of the spillway gates at 1853.9 feet. Many areas along the river in the Bismarck-Mandan area will be flooded with 3 to 6 feet of water.

Oahe releases will follow a pattern similar to Garrison, reaching 85,000 cfs on Saturday, May 28 and as high as 100,000 cfs by June 6 and 110,000 cfs by late in the month. The reservoir will peak within a foot of the top of the spillway gates at 1619 feet. Many areas along the river in Pierre will be flooded with 2 to 6 feet of water.
Big Bend releases will mirror those from Oahe, with its reservoir level remaining at 1420 feet.

Releases from Fort Randall will gradually increase from the current 61,000 cfs to 110,000 cfs by late-June. River stages in the reach below the dam should rise 2 to 6 feet.

Releases from Gavins Point will gradually increase from the current 63,000 to 110,000 cfs by the end of June. River stages 3-6 feet above flood stage are expected from just below Sioux City to the mouth north of St. Louis.


 

 

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Listen to KFGO they have some crazy talk on there of levels way over 20ft, unless I hear wrong. It dosen't look good.  I hope they get it done, I'll have to call my brother he lives out there, I know there is fam going out there today or friday.


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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:

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The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

I wish they would cancel school and get some kids out here filling sandbags.

cant agree more --- negligence on part of the school board and administration.

You will have to call the schools.  There was a reason Fargo couldn't let out school and I am sure there are similar reasons.  Fargo did a little here and there but I know there were some schools that just flat out couldn't.


 

 

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Hopefully they can get some heavy machinery dikes thrown up in strategic places to stop that "long arm" that reaches up through the SkyWay Park and Leichty trailer courts (or whatever they call them now - I used to live there as a kid)

Hopefully the engineers can figure out how everyone can pitch in to build large dikes that protect entire neighborhoods. Individual house protection is a soul sapping activity!

Good luck guys! Hang in there!

 

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In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:

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3XGutshot Said:
The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

I wish they would cancel school and get some kids out here filling sandbags.

cant agree more --- negligence on part of the school board and administration.

You will have to call the schools.  There was a reason Fargo couldn't let out school and I am sure there are similar reasons.  Fargo did a little here and there but I know there were some schools that just flat out couldn't.

The last regular day of school for high schools was Tuesday.  Wed - Fri are finals, which only about 20% of the students have to take due to attendance policies.  So, most HS students are free.  Final day for everyone is tomorrow.  Just to throw that information out there, not saying they shouldn't have let school out...

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time


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In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

It seems most people are just sandbagging individual homes right now; does not seem like an efficient approach.

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In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

It takes an overwhelming but not impossible amount of engineering. Street/Sewer drains have to be plugged, pumps put in so you don't drown in your own juices when it rains, etc. It's a BIG BIG BIG job just to figure out where to properly place the neighborhood dikes. But if they can pull that off quickly, and get 10,000s volunteers and machines coordinated, they'll save a lot of homes. We're pulling for them from Fargo. May drive west over holiday and chip in myself (it's my home town after all).

 

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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

we protected the city, no individual houses done in the city, in the country was a diffeerent story.  homes along the river built dikes that went for miles all the way through town and such. no ring diking houses, maybe here and there but for most part one long continuous dike


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 It all comes down to how much time there is to prepare. With this short of notice, there is no way to engineer a quick fix to save an entire side of the river, or specific neighborhoods. Everyone is trying for their own, and thats about all they can do right now. Best wishes to all of those people

 

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I know my parents and their neighbors are sandbagging around their block and some blocks around them are doing the same. They have had neighborhood meetings to devise a plan. This is the neighborhood right by Solheim elementary. It's hard to stay positive when it looks like you're fighting a losing battle and knowing that the water is going to stick around for weeks.

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yelowjackt Said:

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time

yellow,

I guess I'm not understanding where any of the criticism came from as far as west versus east.

As for banding together have you listened to the new conferences?  I have.  They are live and can be listened to on KFYR, KFGO, KCJB and I imagine other am stations.  I'm not sure who is dropping the ball?  All that can be done is being done.


 

 

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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

The issue with Bismarck is backup water through drainages, etc.  The major infrasturucture has to be sured up first and that is going to happen via the Corp of Engineers, state, county and city resources.

That's what happens here in Minot and I imagine in Fargo.  Some areas will involve homes that get "lucky" there area is a major area of concern and the efforts above will directly help them.  Otherwise, home owners are on their own.

The areas that can quickly and swifty hurt Bismarck and Mandan will recieve all the focus until they are confident in it.  Then they will go to zone b, c, d, e, f, g......

Bottom-line, there will be those left to suffer but there isn't anything that can be done.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

yelowjackt Said:

Tim Sandstrom Said:

yelowjackt Said:

What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time

yellow,

I guess I'm not understanding where any of the criticism came from as far as west versus east.

As for banding together have you listened to the new conferences?  I have.  They are live and can be listened to on KFYR, KFGO, KCJB and I imagine other am stations.  I'm not sure who is dropping the ball?  All that can be done is being done.

We can discuss this after the flood - but yellow is correct, I recall some "you Red River folks are stupid for building on a river that floods every year, why should we help people every year that built so close to the river", etc. from some FB folks out west. I was pissed at first, then decided it was just ignorance.
 
It's not the time to get into it though. It's time to pull together and get it done.

It's shocking "how far from the river" some homes are that are affected - both here in Fargo area and in Bismarck. It's all elevation - not distance from the riverbank.

 

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I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I mean, a river is a river and has absolutely zero to do with location in the state.  I just don't see the need for east versus west other than you guys have no flood protection and we do via the dams built in the 1950's.  That's about the only difference and we STILL have to deal with a flood.  Just goes to show, that living by a river is a dangerous situation.  That cannot ever be denied.  But as I have always said, there are reasons, stipulations, etc why people and communities built along the river.  That cannot ever be denied either.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

TIm,

I have not had the luxury of listening to all the news conferences. I am not saying that no one is working together…I am saying they have to work together if they are going to get through this … and Fargo’s 2009 challenge is a very good example.

I wish the best to the folks out west…I have several friends that live over there and even on the river.

I however do not know much about how the city of Bismarck is run or about the community as a whole. I am merely stating that if they are to get through this it needs to be an “all in” mentality…if this is already taking place then good for them….


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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I should have just stayed out of it. I'm not a west vs east guy in any sense of the word as I've spent plenty of time living in Dickinson, Bismarck, Underwood, Fargo. We're just sensitive last year or two toward critics who bitched at us for living in Fargo and having to fight floods in a wet cycle nobody could have imagined 20-30 years ago when we moved here. Remember that almost all the fishingbuddy members are "west" of Fargo - so when we get bitched maybe we wrongly assume they are "west" members. Floods are horrible and nobody should bitch/criticize at people fighting them as if the flood victims should have known better.

 

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 Voluntary Evacuations just posted for Fox Island residents and a few other areas in Burleigh county.

 

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Voluntary evacuations have always made me scratch my head. Can't you voluntary evacuate at anytime?

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guywhofishes Said:

Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I should have just stayed out of it. I'm not a west vs east guy in any sense of the word as I've spent plenty of time living in Dickinson, Bismarck, Underwood, Fargo. We're just sensitive last year or two toward critics who bitched at us for living in Fargo and having to fight floods in a wet cycle nobody could have imagined 20-30 years ago when we moved here. Remember that almost all the fishingbuddy members are "west" of Fargo - so when we get bitched maybe we wrongly assume they are "west" members. Floods are horrible and nobody should bitch/criticize at people fighting them as if the flood victims should have known better.

Look at our legislature…west wants roads…east wants flood protection….why not both is what I say!  and yes there were many comments about building your house in a flood plain…

...anyway all of that is water under the bridge…remember hope for the best but plan for the worst


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Tim Sandstrom Said:

85,000 thru June 8th.

105,000 starting June 9th and hope it holds...

120,000 cfs is not out of the question.

www.bismarcktribune.com/news/local/article_7071b956-87b3-11e0-8ade-001cc4c002e0.html

The Army Corps of Engineers plans to raise releases from Garrison Dam to 105,000 cubic feet per second, it announced Thursday, pushing the river above its 100-year flood level and leaving local leaders and engineers scrambling to determine how high the water will be.

The corps will move to the new release levels in June, and could go to 120,000 cfs after that, said Todd Lindquist, operations manager at Garrison Dam.

Local officials had been preparing for an 18-foot flood stage on the river, but the new release schedule means no one could say Thursday morning what the new stage will be.
 


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taylorman_55 Said:
 Voluntary Evacuations just posted for Fox Island residents and a few other areas in Burleigh county.

www.bismarcktribune.com/news/local/article_fb114046-87bc-11e0-bd2c-001cc4c03286.html

Burleigh County has requested residents in three rural Bismarck neighborhoods evacuate. The evacuations are voluntary and precautionary at this point.

People in the Briardale Area should use Sibley Drive to 48th Avenue Southeast to University Drive. The North Dakota National Guard will be at key intersections assisting with traffic control.

People in Hogue Island should use 97th Avenue to Highway 1804.

People in Fox Island should use Tavis Road to Burleigh Avenue to University Drive. The National Guard will be at key intersections assisting with traffic control.

Once water is over the road, emergency response is not guaranteed.
 


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Crazy, isn't there a big hill in the area where I could watch this unfold from a lawn chair with beer in hand, of course after helping sandbag


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