Flatest shooting rifle?

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Flatest shooting rifle?

I'm looking into purchasing a large caliber rifle for elk, moose, and other big game. I need some advice on a large caliber rifle from some experts. So if you can help please post. One problem is that I am left handed and prefer a Remington. I currently shoot a .25-06 for deer and love it.

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270, 30-06, 270/7/300/325WSM, 7Rem mag, 300Win mag, 338Win mag.  Take your pick, very little trajectory difference between them, just decide how much recoil you're willing to tolerate and how much you wanna spend to shoot it.  All will kill elk or moose further away than most folks can accurately shoot.

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Throw the .280Rem in there too, sorry to have forgotten it.

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Probally a dozen more calibers you can throw into the mix including the weatherby mags, etc... I like these topics about guns and calibers. It seems everyone has one they love and one they hate and  find a stupid way to justify it! I would look a great deal at what you want out of the rifle also, such as lightweight, stock configuration, barrel length, trigger, type of safety, action, etc..... Then take a look at the models and calibers available. Do you reload? Favorite ammo available? Possible hunting in grizzly country? Carry gun?  Mountain hunting? The exact rifle and total package might be alot more important than the exact caliber you choose! Possibly get the same model you currently shoot in a larger caliber, that way your accustomed to it?  A gun that fits you and balances in the hand makes more sense than one that doesn't!! Good luck and don't have narrow vision because one caliber is a couple ft/sec faster. The animal doesn't know that when the bullet hits them. Dead is dead! Just make sure you can make it happen with the outfit you have! Good hunting!

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Just picked up a 270WSM and wouldnt trade it for the world.  I love it, although the ammunition is a little steep.  In the end, i guess you get what you pay for and that spendy ammo in that rifle makes for a deadly combination.

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Bingo for Clay.

Get something that fits,buy used. I have never seen a wore out gun on the rack some don't look good  but shoot excellent. the Glass on top makes the gun .

dull bluing and a non shine stock is the only way.

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I guess I could actually answer the question asked as well.  I don't actually know which caliber is the "flattest" shooting, instead I think of chamberings in groups.  The very flattest group (and I'm sure I'll miss some) IMO goes about like this:  257Wby, 264Win mag, 7STW/Ultra, 300Ultra, 300 & 30-378Wby. 

Now I know there's some stuff that's pretty close but not on the list, splitting hairs, and I know I left off all of the Dakota and Lazzeroni cartriges.  My intent was to keep the list manageable and to chamberings that are reletively readily available.  I think one can expect to spend $50/box of ammo MINIMUM and approaching $100/box in some cases, when selecting a premium bullet and in every single case, you better not leave a metro area without a good supply of ammo as you're unlikely to find any of the above in a small town hardware or convenience store.

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.338 Win. Mag.  Jiffy insert comment below.

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45-70 Hands down....

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I like the 270's, I've got one of each Win, WSM, and WBY.  All have very managable recoil and do the job.

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Turrets negate "flatness", nevertheless "flatness" and "wind buckingness" usually go hand in hand.  There is no doubt the later is more of a beastie to tame and one can spend a lifetime trying.  

6.5-284...... 

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270 for elk and moose? Crazy in my opnion. I hunted mooses once and elk all the time in MT. I belive you would really be limiting yourself with a 270.

I would highly recommend the 7mm Mag. this gun has worked out awesome for me, very flat, very fast, and easily reaches out to touch someone. Father in-law swears by his 300 Win Mag for the same.

I'm sure someone will come on here with a "special" handloaded round for the 270 thats the cream of the crop but once again, its my opinion, and I dont reload.

Best of luck in your decision!!!!

 

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Just about every person I know that grew up in elk country shoots either a 270 or 30-06. 

As one travels Eastward out of elk country and probes elk hunters not "from" elk country, the rifle's brought along just get bigger and bigger.

Placement, placement, placement!

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Try bigger going west - ID them guys in camp all use 300s.  Dey license plates have low numbers on dem trucks too (indicating that they are a true idahoen). 

Now the rest of the wanna bees -  watche to much best of the west show.  What is the cal that they use on that show?

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der might be a reason though - lots of tree cover - if you do place the shot correctly you could lose an animal. 

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Try bigger going west - ID them guys in camp all use 300s.  Dey license plates have low numbers on dem trucks too (indicating that they are a true idahoen). 

Now the rest of the wanna bees -  watche to much best of the west show.  What is the cal that they use on that show?

I believe the mostly shoot 7mm

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I haven't looked at the numbers but judging from my dad's comments he was very happy with his STW's performance.


 

 

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Bingo for Clay.

Get something that fits,buy used. I have never seen a wore out gun on the rack some don't look good  but shoot excellent. the Glass on top makes the gun .

dull bluing and a non shine stock is the only way.

I think this is a pretty simple way of putting it!  My buddy had his Winchester STW at camp in 4B.  Pretty gun and as I said above, the ballistics indicate a very flat shooting gun.  Could be my new weapon of choice.  I want a varmit gun though.  Argh, I need to win the lottery or have the oil boys make an error on how many mineral rights my family has so I can be the little rich spoiled brat .  I wouldn't be spoiled though, I'd be civil and understand the family hit the jackpot.  Never will happen though.  We are just the family with two oil wells on our land and no big checks coming in.  Oh jealousy is sometimes hard to not develop!!!


 

 

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http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/

check out this site, you can compare different cal. here...

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Check out the ballistics on the .338 Lapua. We shoot a 250 gr bullet just over 3200fps

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Take your 25-06 and shootem in the neck.

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greenytime Said:
 .338 Lapua

How do you like that $2.50 per peice brass?

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greenytime Said:
Check out the ballistics on the .338 Lapua. We shoot a 250 gr bullet just over 3200fps

What's your rifle weigh?  Could you tote it in the mountains or through a muskeg?

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30-06 and 270 cal. with 130-150gr pills, pushing 2900fps, zeroed at 30 yrds. can be a point and shoot gun out to 300 yrds. Rise and fall is 3''+- To easy


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dogfacehunter Said:
30-06 and 270 cal. 130-150gr pills pushing 2900fps zeroed at 30 yrds. can be a point and shoot gun out to 300 yrds. Rise and fall is 3''+- To easy

Don't go introducing all that logic to the argument, damnit!  (grin)

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I have shot a 7MM Rem Mag for the last 4 years and wouldn't give it back.  In fact I am shooting it for everything from deer to antelope now, maybe a little big but I just like how it shoots.  Not the funnest or cheapest to target practice with, but I don't believe you will be disapointed. 

On the other hand my father-in-law has been hunting elk in MT his whole life and has killed most with his 30-06.  Don't forget that being comfotable with a weapon is more important than size, speed etc.  In my opinion. 

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Lived in Montana in the early 70's and hunted in the Bob Marshall wilderness for Elk and the Missouri Breaks for deer. Dad shot a model 70 in a 264 mag. and I shot a 270 in a model 70 ( dad wouldn't let me have any remington's and I still don't know why). Both guns worked great on both types of game.

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Jackson29 Said:

I have shot a 7MM Rem Mag for the last 4 years and wouldn't give it back.  In fact I am shooting it for everything from deer to antelope now, maybe a little big but I just like how it shoots.  Not the funnest or cheapest to target practice with, but I don't believe you will be disapointed. 

On the other hand my father-in-law has been hunting elk in MT his whole life and has killed most with his 30-06.  Don't forget that being comfotable with a weapon is more important than size, speed etc.  In my opinion. 

Happy shopping.

I'm shooting my dad's 7mm Rem Mag after he purchased his STW.  I like the gun a lot.  I'm a bigger guy than I was in my younger days so the felt recoil is very minimal even during target shooting.

One thing I am interested in is a Kimber rifle in a 7mm caliber.  Wouldn't mind a light weight weapon for even the Badlands.  Every ounce matters.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

One thing I am interested in is a Kimber rifle in a 7mm caliber.  Wouldn't mind a light weight weapon for even the Badlands.  Every ounce matters.

7WSM if you could find one would fulfill all your hopes and dreams.  7rem performance in a sub 7# package when properly outfitted.  The extra 100-150fps you'd gain via STW surely isn't worth the extra 2# of rifle you gotta carry to get it.

The short action Montana in 84/8400 is the best deal going for an of the shelf killing rifle.

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Sako use to make the .338 lapua in there trgs line. It wieghs no more than any other rifle I have. The brass are a little spendy and reloading is a must. I also had Dave Gentry put one of his brakes on it and it kicks about like a .270.  It will bring anything down.

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 I agree with the Captain.  I shoot the 25-06 and have had no problem dropping elk.  115 gr Nosler Partitions

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TRG-S was/is a mighty fine magnum platform.

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I have an extremely hard time believing a 100 TSX out of a 25-06 at very attainable velocities would stay in an elk out to say 300 ish......

I WILL prove that one of these years.  

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My dad also has a lapua that was made custom through presicion arms. Also a very nice rifle and is a little lighter do to the fluted barrel.

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I have an extremely hard time believing a 100 TSX out of a 25-06 at very attainable velocities would stay in an elk out to say 300 ish......

I WILL prove that one of these years.  

You'll chicken out and revert to the 300Win, whom do you believe you're kidding?

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The 300 Win may not be around to revert too.  I may revert to a 280 though.... 

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would have to second the 6.5/284. 7mm would work fine also. lot's of elk are harvested with 30-06 and 7mm every year. have fun looking!


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I also was raised in Montana and have shoot many rifles. It is hard to beat the ballistics of .264 to .284 period the bullet is made for long distance. I have keep one rifle that I will never sell a custom 7mm in Dakota Action all stainless custom to max price was not cheap but in all my years, I finally knew what I wanted, weights 7 lbs decked out, and it shoots like a dream and fits me even better. Check out this web site Gunwerks I know him well and he builds long range hunting rifles. Check out comment about 7mm at 1000yds vs 300 mag. I also have 340 weatherby custom that is for big boys. I have seen more animals shoot and get away, bullet selection is very important too. I guess it doesn't hurt I shoot long range competion and regular competion for many years. Practice is key, and good equipment is even more important. Good hunting boys