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by , Posted to on 05/05/2011 10:32 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Feds to NCAA: Why no playoffs?

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department wants to know why the NCAA doesn't have a college football playoff system and says there are "serious questions" about whether the current format to determine a national champion complies with antitrust laws.

Critics who have urged the department to investigate the Bowl Championship Series contend it unfairly gives some schools preferential access to the title championship game and top-tier end-of-season bowls.

In a letter this week, the department's antitrust chief, Christine Varney, asked NCAA president Mark Emmert why a playoff system isn't used in football, unlike in other sports; what steps the NCAA has taken to create one; and whether Emmert thinks there are aspects of the BCS system that don't serve the interest of fans, schools and players.

 

Serious questions continue to arise suggesting the current Bowl Championship Series system may not be conducted consistent with the competition principles expressed in the federal antitrust laws.

-- Justice Department antitrust chief Christine Varney, on the BCS

"Your views would be relevant in helping us to determine the best course of action with regard to the BCS," she wrote.

"Serious questions continue to arise suggesting the current Bowl Championship Series system may not be conducted consistent with the competition principles expressed in the federal antitrust laws," Varney said.

Varney noted that the attorney general of Utah, Mark Shurtleff, has said he plans an antitrust lawsuit against the BCS and that 21 professors recently wrote the department requesting an investigation.

Shurtleff, who met with department officials last fall to discuss a possible federal probe, said at the time that such an investigation was critical to the effort to get a playoff system.

The NCAA said Wednesday it would respond to the government's questions when it receives the letter.

Spokesman Bob Williams said Emmert has consistently said the NCAA is willing to move to a playoff format if schools with the nation's major football programs want to go that route.

Bill Hancock, the BCS executive director, was confident the current system complies with the law.

"Goodness gracious, with all that's going on in the world right now and with national and state budgets being what they are, it seems like a waste of taxpayers' money to have the government looking into how college football games are played," he said.

Under the BCS, the champions of six conferences have automatic bids to play in top-tier bowl games; other conferences don't. Those six conferences also receive more money than the other conferences.

Attorney general Eric Holder referenced Varney's letter at a Senate hearing Wednesday, in response to a statement from Sen. Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican and BCS critic. Hatch called the BCS a "mess" and said that "privileged conferences" have tremendous advantages over the unprivileged.

"And I just hope that you'll continue to follow up on that particular issue," he said. "It's an important one, I think."

"I don't disagree with you," Holder responded. "You and I have talked about this issue, and I think I'm free to say that we have sent a letter to the NCAA about this issue and will be following up."

Before he was sworn in as president, Barack Obama said in 2008 that he was going to "to throw my weight around a little bit" to nudge college football toward a playoff system.


Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press

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Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 10:33 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Interesting twist.   I never thought of the "anti-trust" angle.  
"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
“You can roll manure in powered sugar but it still ain’t a jelly donut”

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent



Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 10:41 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Bout time hopefully this works out, i would rather see Playoofs than bowl games

Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 11:11 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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why worry about FBS w/bison to follow.11 seniors and tons of young talent,they WLL run off a few FCS titles the next few years. they are gonna be damn good. FCS playoff system work fine and a great format !!!
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 11:40 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Its fine the way it is.  How are they going to set up the playoff brackets?  Records?  Conference winners?  I promise you that a 10-2 SEC team is better than a 10-2 Big 10 team or ACC.  Too much money in it the way it is to change it. 
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 11:45 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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wood duck 30 Said:
Its fine the way it is.  How are they going to set up the playoff brackets?  Records?  Conference winners?  I promise you that a 10-2 SEC team is better than a 10-2 Big 10 team or ACC.  Too much money in it the way it is to change it. 


Really to much money??  Do you realize how much money march madness makes??  What is wrong with have a selection committee for 18 teams just like march madness??  You keep all the top bowl games and just have them in the tourny...elite 8 games would be Suger Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gater Bowl...Final 4 games would be Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl and then the National Championship game....please explain to me wood how they could not make more money doing it this way....
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 12:06 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Little Elvis Said:
wood duck 30 Said:
Its fine the way it is.  How are they going to set up the playoff brackets?  Records?  Conference winners?  I promise you that a 10-2 SEC team is better than a 10-2 Big 10 team or ACC.  Too much money in it the way it is to change it. 


Really to much money??  Do you realize how much money march madness makes??  What is wrong with have a selection committee for 18 teams just like march madness??  You keep all the top bowl games and just have them in the tourny...elite 8 games would be Suger Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Gater Bowl...Final 4 games would be Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl and then the National Championship game....please explain to me wood how they could not make more money doing it this way....


Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 12:08 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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you could still make each playoff game a bowl game and have the best of both worlds. Then each sponser still gets there game and we can find a true champion at the same time.
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 12:48 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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18 teams please do explain.  Where you got 18 teams is beyond me, but lets go ahead and use 18 teams with byes or something I guess.  But you would have roughly 16 games.  right now there are over 30 Bowl Games.  YOU DO THE MATH!
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 1:02 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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a play-off system wont work in fbs IMO what happens if 95 out of the 120 teams are 6-6 or better. who knows how they would format the play-offs than. i think more people would be upset if there team got left out in a play-off system, i think for now and in the future they need to stay with the bowl set up.
LIFT EM
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 2:46 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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huh?  i think some of you are over complicating this.  pick em same way basketball does.  pick em like the nfl does.  pickem like the lingerie football league does.  maybe all conference champs and a few at large bids.  i don't really care... just apply some system and thats that.  those that don't make the top 16 end up playing their stupid cambell's chunky soup, carribou coffee, and oreo cookie bowls just like they always have.  if they don't make the top 16, tough... there are always whiners who get left out of the playoffs.  but, at least it would be a playoff.  a 16 team playoff means 15 playoff games w/ my math i think.  at most, the 2 in the finals play an extra 4 games on their schedule.  doesn't seem out of line.  cut out the fluffy early non conference games.  maybe  some teams will have to shorten the regular season by a game and quit taking 4-6 weeks off between the end of the season and the bowl games.  but, this isn't a tough concept to grasp.  why is NCAA football so different than every other friggin sport in the country? 
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 2:52 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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What does it come down to?  I'll answer that, MONEY!  Cut the "fluffy" games?  Do you have any idea how much those "fluffy" teams make to come and play a power house?  I'll answer that too?  Millions!  Its all about money boys, just like it always has been.  Nothing has changed except our ignorant a_ _  government wants to get involved now!  They should have more important things to take care of instead of fixing something that isn't broke.

Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 2:58 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Picking the top 16 teams and giving them a chance to win is way more fair than picking the top 2 teams and giving them a chance to win.

nd hunter
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by on 05/05/2011 3:03 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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why are the feds involved?  not a good use time and tax payer $$.

Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 3:05 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yeah, maybe?  Its not fair I can't win the lottery and be fishing everyday instead of at work.  The top two teams have proved themselves throughout the season and they deserve a title shot.  Not a 2 or 3 loss team.  The exception is when you have 3 or 4 teams with similar records, but the conference card usually plays that out. A plus one would solve that if needed.
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by on 05/05/2011 3:09 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Everything in the US is going to shit and this is what we think congress should be spending time on? Give me a break. If you don't like the FBS postseason setup, become an FCS fan or D-2 fan.
Brady
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 3:30 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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wood duck 30 Said:
Yeah, maybe?  Its not fair I can't win the lottery and be fishing everyday instead of at work.  The top two teams have proved themselves throughout the season and they deserve a title shot.  Not a 2 or 3 loss team.  The exception is when you have 3 or 4 teams with similar records, but the conference card usually plays that out. A plus one would solve that if needed.
There's too many politics in the conferences involved to give everyone a fair shot to prove themselves.  Look at Boise St....everyone says they win that many games because they have an easy conference schedule, but they can't bolster their nonconference schedule because none of the big teams in the BCS conferences will schedule them because a loss means they lose their national title hopes.  This is the same with the Utahs, BYUs, etc. just because they are stuck in a conference that doesn't have the "BCS" title when actually the WAC and the MWC are probably better than the ACC and the Big East.  It's just that those six conferences banded together and formed this damn BCS system that is a joke and now control all over college football because of it.  I hope an antitrust lawsuit does go to the courts because I think a lof of these other conferences can make a good case about it. 

It would not be hard to build a playoff system into the current bowl games.  And who cares if a few bowl games are lost.  Nobody watches or cares about the 6-6 teams battling it out in the no name bowls.  Why should these teams get rewarded for a mediocre season anyway?  Starting a playoff system would also eliminate the stupid 1 month layoff of major college football and would keep the excitement building towards the national championship game.

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by on 05/05/2011 3:53 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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You don't have to worry about the ACC or Big East because they don't get put in the Title Game. The teams that get put in the title game are better than the Byu's of the world - SEC, Big 12.

As far as who cares about the 6-6 bowl games???? I can answer that once again.  The schools that get to play in those games.  Why??  Because of the millions of dollars they get for there school.
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 4:03 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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how would you lose money w/ a playoff system like the one's being proposed?  you wouldn't have to cut the fluffy early nonconference games like i threw out there.  that was just a suggestion.  the actual playoff games could still get bowl sponsors.  and they would mean something so they should draw more attention and revenue.  u could also still have your meaningless bowl games of 6-6 teams like was said above.  and the justice dept is handling this not the congress.  and the justice department is responding to a legitimate request.  the antitrust issue is interesting and seems to be founded in some sound principles to this guy. 
Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 4:18 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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wood duck 30 Said:
You don't have to worry about the ACC or Big East because they don't get put in the Title Game. The teams that get put in the title game are better than the Byu's of the world - SEC, Big 12.

As far as who cares about the 6-6 bowl games???? I can answer that once again.  The schools that get to play in those games.  Why??  Because of the millions of dollars they get for there school.
So why not add the MWC and the WAC to the BCS conferences?  The ACC and the Big East can at least have their champion play in the national title game where the BYU, Boise, etc. can't.  Just because the SEC and Big 12 have dominated appearances doesn't mean that will continue forever.  Florida St and Miami used to dominate as well. 

Those 6-6 teams that play in the crap bowls do not get paid millions for their schools.  I even read an article during this bowl season that some of those teams can actually lose money playing in those bowls.  I will try to find that article again.  The BCS system is made to benefit a small number of teams and conferences when you look at the entire FBS picture. 

Re: FBS football
by on 05/05/2011 4:40 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I guess I must be wrong and they continue the bowl games to LOOSE MONEY and not make money.  I am not a genius by any means but I do have common sense.  If the bowl games were making these schools LOOSE MONEY I am pretty damn sure the bowl games wouldn't be around.  Yes they can not make as much money depending on what bowl game they get put into, but they are making money.
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