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Farmers fume at proposed limits on their children

by , Posted to on 11/30/2011 4:28 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Farmers fume at proposed limits on their children’s work

MILWAUKEE – Shelly Mayer says she would never do anything to put her three children in harm’s way on their family dairy farm, but she worries that proposed regulations could put an end to many jobs for farm kids.

By: McClatchy Newspapers, INFORUM

MILWAUKEE – Shelly Mayer says she would never do anything to put her three children in harm’s way on their family dairy farm, but she worries that proposed regulations could put an end to many jobs for farm kids.

As Americans, Mayer says, we are too protective of our children when it comes to physical labor.

“We have raised a generation of ‘bubble-wrap’ babies,” she says.

“Parents dote so much on kids, they practically need an oxygen mask to go outside. And we wonder why they can’t function in society.”

Mayer and her husband, Dwight, have children ages 15, 13 and 8 on their farm near Slinger, Wis. They are among farmers nationwide who believe proposed U.S. Department of Labor regulations go too far in restricting what work kids could perform on farms, such as driving tractors and handling livestock.

The changes, they say, could dampen kids’ enthusiasm for becoming farmers, especially youngsters who don’t live on farms but have part-time jobs to gain farming experience.

Under the proposed rules, according to the Wisconsin Farm Bureau Federation, someone under 18 would not be allowed to do many chores for a neighbor or even their own family’s farm if it’s set up as a corporation or a business partnership.

Under the proposed regulations:

  • Anyone under age 16 could not operate any power-driven machines unless the child was under the supervision of a parent or guardian.
  • Youngsters would be prohibited from handling noncastrated livestock older than 6 months, sows with suckling pigs or cows with a newborn calf. They also could not be in situations where an animal’s behavior might be unpredictable, such as giving shots, dehorning or breeding.
  • Youngsters would not be allowed to work inside any grain silo, fruit or forage storage bin, nor would they be allowed to handle pesticides. Also, they would not be allowed to work at heights above 6 feet from a floor, including working on ladders.
  • The new regulations would prohibit teenagers from talking on cellphones or texting while operating a tractor.

Since she was about 7 years old, Addy Gonzales has been taught how to handle animals on her family’s dairy farm near Elkhorn.

Now 14, she helps her mother and father with farm chores, provided it’s not dangerous work and she has adult supervision.

“She would never be alone doing anything on the farm, even around the cows, because things can happen quick,” said her mother, Kim Gonzales.

After receiving thousands of public comments on its proposed regulations, the Department of Labor has extended the comment period until Dec. 1. After that, it will move forward with a rule-making process.

Nationwide, a child is killed in an agricultural work site every 3 ½ days, and 41 young people suffer serious farm injuries each day, according to data through 2009 from the National Children’s Center for Rural and Agricultural Health and Safety.

“Children employed in agriculture are some of the most vulnerable workers in America,” the Labor Department says on its website. “The fatality rate for young agricultural workers is four times greater than that of their peers employed in nonagricultural work-places.”

It has been more than 40 years since the Department of Labor updated child labor regulations for farms.

Farming has changed considerably in that time, with bigger tractors and other machinery that are a common cause of accidents and deaths.

It’s time to update the regulations, according to the Department of Labor.

Children who work on their parents’ farms are exempt from child labor laws, and they would remain exempt under the proposed regulation changes.

They can perform any tasks, even dangerous ones, at any age on a farm owned or operated by a parent, according to the Department of Labor.

Removing the family-farm exemption would help prevent the most serious farm-youth injuries, according to Barbara Lee, director of the National Farm Medicine Center, in Marshfield, Wis.

“We need to think about the kids first,” she said. “If you ask any parent whose child was killed in a farm accident, or who had a limb amputated, they would give anything to take that moment back. The injuries and deaths for children in agriculture are really gruesome and traumatic.”

Farming is one of the nation’s most dangerous occupations.

But while 81 percent of farm parents perceive the work to be more dangerous than other occupations, only 66 percent of those parents felt it was more dangerous for children to work on a farm than at other jobs, according to National Farm Medicine Center research.

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Re: Farmers fume at proposed limits on their children
by on 11/30/2011 4:37 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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by on 11/30/2011 4:42 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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But how do the kids feel about this? Maybe they are sick of being exploited by their parents! Who came up with this stuff anyway?
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by on 11/30/2011 4:45 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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by on 11/30/2011 4:57 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I actually know someone that got nailed for this. He went into a "business partnership" with his oldest son who was 18 and were "employing"  the other kids in the family. Had to deal with some hen out of Denver to get it all straightened out.

If more crap like this gets passed into law this country is entirely screwed. The fact that they have people like this in some agency as high up as this one lends me to beleive it already is.

I can see it now, some whiney ass prick that doesn;t like you turning you in for having your 16 year old kid help brand calves. I'd like one of these fools to show up at a spring branding once and tell all the kids under 18 they have to sit and watch. He'd likely be roped, throwed, and have a brand on his ass and his nuts cut out before he knew what hit him and there wouldn't be anyone over 18 involved.
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by on 11/30/2011 4:59 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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gst Said:

 He'd likely be roped, throwed, and have a brand on his ass and his nuts cut out before he knew what hit him and there wouldn't be anyone over 18 involved.
That is funny stuff  

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
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by on 11/30/2011 6:32 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 WTF.........................I grew up on a farm, was driving grain trucks when I was 8 years old. The government control has got to stop. Apparently they think work ethic should no longer be taught, and they probably are hoping the kids end up failing in life having to look for support from the government. I'd drive a shit spreader right onto the lawn and let er buck if they pass that crap.




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by on 11/30/2011 6:57 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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701FishSlayer Said:
 WTF.........................I grew up on a farm, was driving grain trucks when I was 8 years old. The government control has got to stop. Apparently they think work ethic should no longer be taught, and they probably are hoping the kids end up failing in life having to look for support from the government. I'd drive a shit spreader right onto the lawn and let er buck if they pass that crap.


This is just one more step by the present ad. is using to build a social democracy (A social democracy is political movememnt advocating a gradual and peacful transition from capitalism to socialism)

Make the next generation depentant  on the government.
 
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by on 11/30/2011 8:16 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Just dumb. 
I grew up on the farm, I am now a farmer. 
Does this mean children in town can't do chores either?  So if you are 8 or 10 years old you can't rake leaves?? 
The only difference is in the country we don't rake leaves, we have other things to do.  Would our country have survived WWII if kids weren't involved helping do farm chores while their fathers were gone??  Maybe, but it would've been bad. 
My personal opinion is you have 2 people applying for a job, 1 is a farm kid, and 1 is a really book smart kid who never lifted a finger to shovel snow or anything, the farm kid will out work the book smart kid. 
This isn't a farm kid vs. city kid example either.  Any kid should be able to help haul in groceries from the car, shovel some snow, rake some leaves.  In my opinion it doesn't matter if the kid likes it or not. 
Parents are trying to be overprotective of their kids.  Yes, you hope the next generation is smarter and does things safter than the rest of us, but watching them drive cars down the road is proof it isn't working. 
I know we were all lazy once in awhile, we all had things we didn't want to do, but you know what, we did them because that was "our job". 
I was never told I had to do this or that on the farm, I did it because even at a young age I knew if it was done then my parents wouldn't have to do it. 
Farm parents just need common sense, I mean you don't send a 7 year old to the elevator with a semi, and you don't send a 7 year old to jump into a corral and seperate some calves to vaccinate them.  But for crying out loud give some kids a little responsibility. 
Teach kids stuff for heavens sake. 
Don't let a kid drive to school until they prove to you they can change a tire.  If you don't know how to change a tire, then you should both learn how to do it. 
Don't let a kid go hunting until they are old enough and have proven to you they will do it in a safe manner. 
It's just common sense, the country is losing it's common sense.  If you give a kid some responsibility and let them do some stuff at a younger age, they will probably have tons of common sense and work ethic when they are older.  Teach them, and let them try it on their own.  
I cleaned alot of bins when I was a kid prior to harvest, did I like it???  No.  Was I forced to do it??  No.  I did it because I thought that's what any good farm kid would do......it's called helping out.  I knew at a young age that if I helped out we might get going a day earlier, which might mean we end up finishing a day before rain or something. 
 
Sorry.  Ticks me off when people who have never got their hands dirty doing any farm work think they know more about farm kids and farm life than a farmer would.   

Kids still need to be kids, you can't give them a helmet or knee pad for everything that happens in life.  Every kid should get bumps & bruises playing, if they are told by their parents to clean their room, they better darn well clean their room.  Tantrums should be overwith at a young age, they shouldn't be throwing fits when they are 16 because they don't want to do something.  I think people who come up with these dumb ideas probably have kids that are over protected and can't do anything for themselves. 
I worked when I was young, I'd get paid, I learned the value of a dollar.  I knew how much work went into making that dollar and I didn't spend it on something stupid like some kid who just runs up and asks for a dollar. 
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Just dumb. 
I grew up on the farm, I am now a farmer. 
Does this mean children in town can't do chores either?  So if you are 8 or 10 years old you can't rake leaves?? 
The only difference is in the country we don't rake leaves, we have other things to do.  Would our country have survived WWII if kids weren't involved helping do farm chores while their fathers were gone??  Maybe, but it would've been bad. 
My personal opinion is you have 2 people applying for a job, 1 is a farm kid, and 1 is a really book smart kid who never lifted a finger to shovel snow or anything, the farm kid will out work the book smart kid. 
This isn't a farm kid vs. city kid example either.  Any kid should be able to help haul in groceries from the car, shovel some snow, rake some leaves.  In my opinion it doesn't matter if the kid likes it or not. 
Parents are trying to be overprotective of their kids.  Yes, you hope the next generation is smarter and does things safter than the rest of us, but watching them drive cars down the road is proof it isn't working. 
I know we were all lazy once in awhile, we all had things we didn't want to do, but you know what, we did them because that was "our job". 
I was never told I had to do this or that on the farm, I did it because even at a young age I knew if it was done then my parents wouldn't have to do it. 
Farm parents just need common sense, I mean you don't send a 7 year old to the elevator with a semi, and you don't send a 7 year old to jump into a corral and seperate some calves to vaccinate them.  But for crying out loud give some kids a little responsibility. 
Teach kids stuff for heavens sake. 
Don't let a kid drive to school until they prove to you they can change a tire.  If you don't know how to change a tire, then you should both learn how to do it. 
Don't let a kid go hunting until they are old enough and have proven to you they will do it in a safe manner. 
It's just common sense, the country is losing it's common sense.  If you give a kid some responsibility and let them do some stuff at a younger age, they will probably have tons of common sense and work ethic when they are older.  Teach them, and let them try it on their own.  
I cleaned alot of bins when I was a kid prior to harvest, did I like it???  No.  Was I forced to do it??  No.  I did it because I thought that's what any good farm kid would do......it's called helping out.  I knew at a young age that if I helped out we might get going a day earlier, which might mean we end up finishing a day before rain or something. 
 
Sorry.  Ticks me off when people who have never got their hands dirty doing any farm work think they know more about farm kids and farm life than a farmer would.   

Kids still need to be kids, you can't give them a helmet or knee pad for everything that happens in life.  Every kid should get bumps & bruises playing, if they are told by their parents to clean their room, they better darn well clean their room.  Tantrums should be overwith at a young age, they shouldn't be throwing fits when they are 16 because they don't want to do something.  I think people who come up with these dumb ideas probably have kids that are over protected and can't do anything for themselves. 
I worked when I was young, I'd get paid, I learned the value of a dollar.  I knew how much work went into making that dollar and I didn't spend it on something stupid like some kid who just runs up and asks for a dollar. 
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by on 11/30/2011 8:35 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Hell if these "rules" would have been in effect back when I was in school maybe dad would have let me play baseball during the summer. 
"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
“You can roll manure in powered sugar but it still ain’t a jelly donut”

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent



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by on 11/30/2011 8:45 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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it's why liberalism is felt by many to be a mental illness.  they want the work ethic to drop to bottom of the barrel levels and all of us to live off the government
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by on 11/30/2011 9:05 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Where the heck would have I ended up if not for driving tractor by age 9??
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eyexer Said:
it's why liberalism is felt by many to be a mental illness.  they want the work ethic to drop to bottom of the barrel levels and all of us to live off the government
I wonder if it is mental illness to be obsessed by liberalism?

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by on 11/30/2011 9:59 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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golfer Said:
eyexer Said:
it's why liberalism is felt by many to be a mental illness.  they want the work ethic to drop to bottom of the barrel levels and all of us to live off the government
I wonder if it is mental illness to be obsessed by liberalism?

No.   Some of us are concerned about our future and what liberals have done to this country.   See link for exhibit A.  http://www.usdebtclock.org/

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
“You can roll manure in powered sugar but it still ain’t a jelly donut”

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent



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by on 12/01/2011 08:42 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Our parents and grandparents and great grandparents are about to start rolling over in there graves. All the morals and beliefs this country were founded on are going out the window. It makes me sick.

I joined the military not only to fight for my country but to fight for those that can't fight for themselves. Thats why I'm here.

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by on 12/01/2011 08:45 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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How in the hell would they regulate this anyways??
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
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by on 12/01/2011 09:28 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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odocoileus Said:
How in the hell would they regulate this anyways??

I suppose if a kid gets hurt, goes to the hospital, and the doctor reports it.
Or if one neighbor doesn't much care for another neighbor and reports it.



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by on 12/01/2011 10:01 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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odocoileus Said:
How in the hell would they regulate this anyways??

they would put up a reward for reporting, kinda like the RAP program.
Pitting neighbors against each other.
Just some more government bs.
 

If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?

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