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FARGO INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE

Can someone provide me with more information on the indoor range in Fargo?  Would you be able to plink with  a .223, or handguns in .40 S&W?  Or is is limited to lower calibers?  Thanks in advance.

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I believe it's handgun only, however, I am not a member and probably won't be until they change a few things.

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Jiffy Said:
I believe it's handgun only, however, I am not a member and probably won't be until they change a few things.

What don't you like about it that you would like changed?

Big J

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This is from there range rules..

  1. FIREARM TYPES:
  2. Handguns, 22 caliber rim-fire rifles, air powered rifles, pistols and rifles with pistol caliber ammunition of 2.30” overall length.



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Jiffy Said:
I believe it's handgun only, however, I am not a member and probably won't be until they change a few things.

I thought I read or head something that they would be adding a rifle range also to the pistol range.  Don't know if that is something that will come later down the road or if it is going to be built right along with the the pistol range?

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Jiffy Said:
I believe it's handgun only, however, I am not a member and probably won't be until they change a few things.

What don't you like about it that you would like changed?

Big J

There are 3 main reasons why I won’t join.  I don’t like the “required 8 hours of duties and services”, the fact that you can’t carry concealed, and the 10-buck fee you pay every time you shoot on top of the 75 bucks annual fee.

 

I have been a member of various other organizations and I know how that “required duties and services” thing usually works.  10% of the members do 90% of the work; I don’t want any part of that.  Learned my lesson with organizations that require that crap.

 

The fact that you can’t carry concealed in there is just ridiculous.  It’s a range for Christ’s sake!  People who have “jumped through the hoops” to get the proper licenses to carry concealed should be afforded that opportunity in my opinion.  I understand the insurance thing, the liability thing…..yada, yada, yada…ect.  Doesn’t matter, I don’t like it.

 

And last but not least I really don’t like the fact that they charge 10 bucks every time you shoot.  Here is a post from a different site where I addressed that very point with who I assume is higher management from the range:

 

You are correct; you’ll never make everybody happy no matter what you do. The key is to appeal to the largest amount of people you can and just roll with it and hope your decisions were sound. I actually commend you guys for the diligence and hard work you all have put in to getting this thing going. I may join anyway just for that reason alone, just to support it and help get it on its feet. I haven’t completely made up my mind yet.

Nevertheless I do believe you are limiting yourself to the “weekend” shooters per say, if those guys are your demographic, I do believe you’ve achieved that. In my opinion the guys that are going to shoot 50 or so rounds three times a week or more aren’t going to frequent your establishment. You used simple “economics” as an example for the reason why you are charging 10 bucks per shoot, well, let me also explain why I, and shooters like myself, won’t join because of simple “economics.”

I live only a short distance from the facility. I drive by it every day to and from work and it would be nothing for me to stop in 3 or more times a week during open shoot and send some rounds downrange. However I’m not going to do that at 10 bucks a pop, I simply can’t afford that. Even if you guys charged 250 a year it would be doable from my perspective. Do the math and you’ll see what I mean. I just think you guys are limiting yourself to a demographic that in the long run isn’t going to be the best for your establishment. For me I’d personally rather have a steady, dedicated and loyal customer base instead of the “weekend crowd”. Again, I’m not trying to tell you guys how to run YOUR facility; I’m just giving you a little different perspective.

Lee E. McDonald
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Okay. Makes sense.  Thanks a bunch for the info Jiff. Thats all new news to me.  10 bucks a pop is a tad bit ridiculous in my opinion too.
Big J

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Jiffy I think you should recheck the rules about the concealed and carry part. I know they were thinking about not allowing it but your point came up and i think they re-did that. Im not 100% sure but i think you can carry in the range.

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If that is the case that is news to me.

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This should answer your question about the C and C.  It is allowed.

  1. Firearms may be brought into and taken out of the building only in the following manner: Cased, bagged, or otherwise completely enclosed: unloaded only. Uncased, un-bagged, or otherwise unsecured firearms may not be carried in hand, loaded or unloaded, in any portion of the building. Concealed Weapons Permit Holders. Concealed firearms are permitted if you possess a current CCW permit. Concealed firearms must remain so until you are at the firing line and wish to shoot that firearm. Once drawn, the firearm must remain visible on the shooting bench until the session is completed. Firearms may only be returned to concealment when the individual is ready to leave the firing area, and plans to keep the firearm concealed.



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So basically they are telling you that you can't practice from your concealed carry holster......that's just awesome!!!  Makes a lot of fricken sense!!

That is even dumber than not letting you bring it in concealed....... (head shaking)

Yeah I'm pretty sure I will continue to practice at Casselton.  Free to boot.....

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Jiffy Said:
So basically they are telling you that you can't practice from your concealed carry holster......that's just awesome!!!  Makes a lot of fricken sense!!

NO WAY would I want to stand shoulder to shoulder on the same line with people practicing the draw from a concealed holster.  Thats just an accident waiting to happen.   That rule makes perfect sense.

 

 

 

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Why is it dangerous to practice from a holster?  It is allowed at the Minot range, but the Range Officers will shut you down immediately if they see anything unsafe.  It should be a matter of common sense and the discretion of the Range Officers.  In Minot members are charged a $5 fee to shoot.  The fee includes the targets and use of eye and ear protection if you do not have any.  Fee is $10 for nonmembers.

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Wow...didn't know it was $10 per time for the Fargo range...what's the memebership fee for then?


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I was not even aware there was a range in Casselton.  Can you give approximate directions, Jiffy?  Is it opened year round?

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Wow...didn't know it was $10 per time for the Fargo range...what's the memebership fee for then?

Membership fee is exactly that, you've got to be a member to shoot.  Think of the $10/session as a "cover charge".  It sounds like a lot, in fact it is quite a bit, but, the building isn't paid for so they've got to start somewhere.

Here are the plain and simple facts:  If you want an indoor shooting range in Fargo you'll support what's available and pay the fee simply because that's what it costs and there isn't and likely never will be another.

The other option:  Don't support them and there won't be an indoor range in Fargo.

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Why is it dangerous to practice from a holster?  It is allowed at the Minot range, but the Range Officers will shut you down immediately if they see anything unsafe.  It should be a matter of common sense and the discretion of the Range Officers.

Absolutely....can't say anymore to prove my point!!  This is why you have Range Officers. 

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ok guys, how do you think the range in fargo is supposed to keep the doors open without charging some fees? A one and a half million dollar facility at least cant maintain itself off nothing, the range is not taking profit. Secondly I dont know about you guys but i dont want to stand shoulder to shoulder like geothermal said, next to 20 guys who you dont know if this is the first time they have ever held a gun in their life and are trying to quick draw for the first time. And think about it if you are quick drawing a range officer has no time to do anything once a situation becomes unsafe, the whole situation isnt safe and it cannot possibly be unless there is a 1 on 1 shooter range officer situation. They are not saying you cannot shoot your gun, just not quick draw... what is the problem?

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I shot at one of those places once and never again.

 

 

 

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How are you supposed to practice properly when you don't practice for real.  Those that know what they are talking about know that presentation and form is more important in a gun fight than being able to shoot a 2 inch group at 25 yards.  I'm not into standing around and shooting at bullseyes.  If your one of those guys so be it, I practice how I need to if a real situations would arise.

As long as you follow ALL 4 of the safety rules there isn't going to be a problem.  Those that don't, won't do it no matter how they are shooting. 

We can play the "what if" game all day long...... 

Now I ask you this, how are you going to shoot someone if you don't have your finger on the trigger until your sights are on target?  How are you going to shoot someone if you don't point your weapon at anything your not willing to destory?  How are you going to shoot someone if you are sure of your target and what is beyond?  And finally, how are you going to shoot someone if you ALWAYS treat every weapon as if it were loaded?

If the Range Officer observes unsafe behavior.  That's what he is there for.  As far as accidents happening, they can happen no matter what you do.

I won't waste my time training like old ladys screw.......

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Last GUNFIGHT I was in I was 9 years old and almost poked my eye out.  I definetly plan to be more prepared for my next one.  SSSSHHHHSSSSS  Must be idiot Friday.

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Last GUNFIGHT I was in I was 9 years old and almost poked my eye out.  I definetly plan to be more prepared for my next one.  SSSSHHHHSSSSS  Must be idiot Friday.

With a post like that.....I'll at least agree it must be idiot Friday.

Just keep thinking it will never happen and it never will right?  Nobody ever thinks it can happen to them.  Most never take measures to prevent the worst.  So be it.....

Hey, if you're into standing in your Weaver stance shooting at paper targets with little circles on it, have at it.  They can run their facility anyway they want.  Bullhead simply asked why I won't join so I gave him my reasons.  I don't need to pay 75 bucks a year and 10 bucks a pop to do that, that's for sure.   

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I was not even aware there was a range in Casselton.  Can you give approximate directions, Jiffy?  Is it opened year round?

Sorry Badlands, I must have missed your post somehow.  It's approximately 3 miles west of Casselton and a half mile south.  It's a free outdoor range and it's open year round. 

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Jiffy said...... "I won't waste my time training like old ladys screw......."

Do you really know? 

I look forward to my Saturday mornings! 

"Lifes tough pilgrim, and it's even tougher if you're stupid"  --John Wayne

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I can about imagine and that's close enough for me......

(ps I just puked in my mouth a little bit thinking about that)

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Jiffy if you dont like the range and its rules fine go to casselton, some people dont want to get shot by someone who goes to scheels and buys his first gun and tries quick drawing and shooting. And i also guarantee you someone who can shoot in. groups at 25 yards is capable of shooting someone if they need. principles are the same. align the sights and squeeze the trigger. I am personally not worried about getting into a gunfight anytime soon anyway, so ill stick to shooting like old people screw.

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No need to join at that rate, and not being able to practice what might happen in "real time".  nuf said.

 

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what are you rubbing shoulders at this place that it would be such a concern that some one is practiceing a real life shooting senario. 

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shooter599 Said:
Jiffy if you dont like the range and its rules fine go to casselton, some people dont want to get shot by someone who goes to scheels and buys his first gun and tries quick drawing and shooting. And i also guarantee you someone who can shoot in. groups at 25 yards is capable of shooting someone if they need. principles are the same. align the sights and squeeze the trigger. I am personally not worried about getting into a gunfight anytime soon anyway, so ill stick to shooting like old people screw.

Spoken like someone who truly hasn't a clue......

Not sure where to begin with that so I won't.  And I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference. 

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Just keep thinking it will never happen and it never will right?  Nobody ever thinks it can happen to them.  Most never take measures to prevent the worst.  So be it.....

With that line of thinking are you out making sandbags today because a flood could KILL you.

Before you go out and sandbag make sure you put on sunscreen because you could get skin cancer and that could KILL you.

Did you floss this morning because you could get gum disease and that could KILL you. 

Jiffy, you can do whatever you want with your gun, but when you make dumba-s statements about gunfights and such you lose credibility.  I guess I am someone who doesn't have a clue.

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Just keep thinking it will never happen and it never will right?  Nobody ever thinks it can happen to them.  Most never take measures to prevent the worst.  So be it.....

With that line of thinking are you out making sandbags today because a flood could KILL you.

Before you go out and sandbag make sure you put on sunscreen because you could get skin cancer and that could KILL you.

Did you floss this morning because you could get gum disease and that could KILL you. 

Jiffy, you can do whatever you want with your gun, but when you make dumba-s statements about gunfights and such you lose credibility.  I guess I am someone who doesn't have a clue.

Preparedness is nothing but insurance, some tend to see it’s merit, and some don’t.  Your analogies hold water like a sieve, much as your argument does. 

 

Stick to golf….

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Jiffy's gettin a good ole fashioned FBO spankin.........

"Lifes tough pilgrim, and it's even tougher if you're stupid"  --John Wayne

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Just like a Timex.....takes a lickin and keeps on tickin.

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Jiffy's gettin a good ole fashioned FBO spankin.........

How so?

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I see Mr. 80 time champion in whatever just erased his post.

Too bad as I was just about ready to believe him.......

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Jiffy Said:

 

Stick to golf….

LMAO.  While I side with Jiffy, it's the people who "choose" to live with accepting the typical rules of society:

~It won't happen to me.
~There can't be that many idots around.
~My family is safe.
~We just stopped at the roadside park to use the bathroom.
~I thought I'd be safe leaving not using the dead bolt tonight.

Pull up to my house, it's the typical look.  Kids, dogs, some toys for my habits. 

Pull up to my house and welcome yourself unknown and unannounced at 2am or so and it will become your final resting place.  

Golfer, you can poke holes in what you think could, should, or might happen, but I error on the side of protection.  Protecting my family and myself.  If I or anyone else chooses to prepare (practice) for what might happen in a "live" situation, let them be. 

 

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Ok Jiffy, you win.  Good luck in your next gunfight.  NOD,NOD,WINK,WINK

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i fully understand what jiffy is saying.  hes looking at it a different way, the tactical way. the way i see it hes saying you shoot like you train.  do you have any idea how many police officers have died when they were in a gunfight because they shot like they trained.  standing there like your on the 3 yard line, shooting three rounds then reholstering and not stopping the threat.  or they would reload with roads left in the clip.  or saving the brass to put it in their pocket so they wouldnt have to pick up off of the ground.  you need to train to fight as if it were real. you train to win.

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golfer Said:
Ok Jiffy, you win.  Good luck in your next gunfight.  NOD,NOD,WINK,WINK

I pray that I'm never in one but I'm not so ignorant to believe it couldn't happen to me. 

Yes.....even in Fargo ND. 

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Different experience levels require different training environments.  I've seen enough basic training range sessions to know that a first timer is dangerous when combining speed and a lack of weapons handling experience.  I need to get my permit and enough trigger time to make my weapon a part of my hand before I would even consider introducing speed and real time training scenarios.  I'd probably give my foot a bad day.  So I am firmly and without reservation in the "old lady screwing" category when it comes to handgun training needs. 

Would I use the indoor range????  I think it would be a better use of my limited shooting funds to purchase ammo rather than to purchase access to a nice indoor marksmanship range.  No offense to the owners, I'm sure their facility is great, but my back 40 and a round bale backstop will do just fine for now.

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Different experience levels require different training environments.  I've seen enough basic training range sessions to know that a first timer is dangerous when combining speed and a lack of weapons handling experience.  I need to get my permit and enough trigger time to make my weapon a part of my hand before I would even consider introducing speed and real time training scenarios. 

kdm your are absolutely correct, which would be my guess why they choose to have the rule.  Again, I'm just offering up my opinions because I know there are guys out there that think the same way I do.

I suggest this as an option.  How about they offer some training class or some sort of qualification course you have to pass to be able to practice a "certain" way.  If you pass the class or the qual you get a badge or a freaking patch or something signifying you can practice from you concealed carry holster.  Something.....we live in a world of "hoop jumping", what the hell are a few more I guess.  I haven't, nor should anyone else have, a problem in showing their abilities or lack there of.  Qualification courses are not a bad thing. 

Just say'en....

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Jiffy, you could shoot the Monday night leagues with your carry pistol.

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Jiffy I can agree with what you are saying, unfortunately many people don't have the experience you have nor the opportunity that KDM or I do to play in our backyard.  It is important that the majority have a place to go and practice and become efficant so when they are placed in the situation we don't have wild lead flying all over the place.  The facility in Fargo is a good safe place for the average joe to practice.  They also need money to remain open, this world is a pay to play world, if we want a place to play we are going to pay for it.   A better solution would be an expert morning or evening time slot when only qualifing persons could come and practice advanced shooting.  In fact some one could make money by offering advanced tactical classes to teach point and shoot, moving shooting, moving target and fast draw techniques.  An in door sporting clays type thing for handgun enjoyment.  What a great thing to do on a saturday afternoon or monday evening.  Dang I may have to set one up in the back 40...humm...  

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Jiffy, you could shoot the Monday night leagues with your carry pistol.

Yes I could but then we'd be back to my third and final point of why I won't join, not to mention my first point.

Besides once a week isn't enough practice to make it worth the effort. 

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.....  A better solution would be an expert morning or evening time slot when only qualifing persons could come and practice advanced shooting.  In fact some one could make money by offering advanced tactical classes to teach point and shoot, moving shooting, moving target and fast draw techniques.....  

Now THAT is a good idea!!

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We don't shoot rifles once a week and seem to do ok.  I'd guess for 2009 I only shot my shotgun about 25 days, and less than 300rnds total, but I wouldn't want to be a bird out in front of it.

Given my choice @ the indoor range I'd rather have seen a $500 membership fee and unlimited shooting.  But I'm not on the board, or involved in any other way so I run with their rules as a result.

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.....  A better solution would be an expert morning or evening time slot when only qualifing persons could come and practice advanced shooting.  In fact some one could make money by offering advanced tactical classes to teach point and shoot, moving shooting, moving target and fast draw techniques.....  

Now THAT is a good idea!!

Monday night leagues.  They're also desperate for Range Saftey Officers.  Maybe you could work out a deal of performing RSO duties in lieu of $10/session.

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We don't shoot rifles once a week and seem to do ok.  I'd guess for 2009 I only shot my shotgun about 25 days, and less than 300rnds total, but I wouldn't want to be a bird out in front of it.

Given my choice @ the indoor range I'd rather have seen a $500 membership fee and unlimited shooting.  But I'm not on the board, or involved in any other way so I run with their rules as a result.

We don't shoot rifles enough either IMO but that is because of cash flow not range access. 

Handguns are a whole different deal than rifles. 

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.....  A better solution would be an expert morning or evening time slot when only qualifing persons could come and practice advanced shooting.  In fact some one could make money by offering advanced tactical classes to teach point and shoot, moving shooting, moving target and fast draw techniques.....  

Now THAT is a good idea!!

Monday night leagues.  They're also desperate for Range Saftey Officers.  Maybe you could work out a deal of performing RSO duties in lieu of $10/session.

Or maybe they can change the rules....then I'll join. 

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