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EPA gives land to WY reservation?

by , Posted to on 01/21/2014 6:20 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/epa-decree-shrinks-size-wyoming-million-acres#sthash.E7xcWxe6.dpuf

How can the EPA do this? 

EPA Decree Shrinks Size of Wyoming by a Million Acres

January 21, 2014 - 9:13 AM

Why is the EPA altering state boundaries in Wyoming - and reversing over 100 years of established law?  Well, apparently the city of Riverton now falls under the jurisdiction of the Wind River Indian Reservation.  This, obviously, isn't sitting well with the governor's office - which is urging the EPA to reconsider its ruling and respect the rule of law.

Reacting to the decision to reduce the size of Wyoming by about a million acres, Wyoming Governor Matt Mead warned of the dangers to all Americans of this type of unilateral land redistribution by the EPA:

"I understand that the Northern Arapaho and Eastern Shoshone Tribes have a different opinion about the Wind River Reservation Boundary. My deep concern is about an administrative agency of the federal government altering a state's boundary and going against over 100 years of history and law.

"This should be a concern to all citizens because, if the EPA can unilaterally take land away from a state, where will it stop?" Governor Matt Mead said in a press release on January 6.

Gov. Mead added, "The Attorney General's petition shows that, in conjunction with the Tribes, Congress diminished the Wind River Reservation in 1905. Given the fundamentally flawed process and decision and the likelihood of irreparable harm, the EPA should put a hold on its decision and reopen its process to incorporate all of the available evidence, give interested parties an opportunity to respond to the facts and arguments and complete its review in a transparent manner. The State has also asked the EPA to stay its decision until a final judicial decision has been issued."

When Wyoming received the EPA's unpublished decision granting the Tribes "Treatment As State" status on December 9, 2013, Gov. Mead called on the state's attorney general to challenge the decision:

"It is outrageous to me that a regulatory agency has proposed changing jurisdictional boundaries established by history and the Courts. I have asked the Attorney General to challenge this decision and defend the existing boundaries of the reservation.

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EPA Decree Shrinks Size of Wyoming by a Million Acres

January 21, 2014 - 9:13 AM

Why is the EPA altering state boundaries in Wyoming - and reversing over 100 years of established law?  Well, apparently the city of Riverton now falls under the jurisdiction of the Wind River Indian Reservation.  This, obviously, isn't sitting well with the governor's office - which is urging the EPA to reconsider its ruling and respect the rule of law.

Reacting to the decision to reduce the size of Wyoming by about a million acres, Wyoming Governor Matt Mead warned of the dangers to all Americans of this type of unilateral land redistribution by the EPA:

"I understand that the Northern Arapaho and Eastern Shoshone Tribes have a different opinion about the Wind River Reservation Boundary. My deep concern is about an administrative agency of the federal government altering a state's boundary and going against over 100 years of history and law.

"This should be a concern to all citizens because, if the EPA can unilaterally take land away from a state, where will it stop?" Governor Matt Mead said in a press release on January 6.

Gov. Mead added, "The Attorney General's petition shows that, in conjunction with the Tribes, Congress diminished the Wind River Reservation in 1905. Given the fundamentally flawed process and decision and the likelihood of irreparable harm, the EPA should put a hold on its decision and reopen its process to incorporate all of the available evidence, give interested parties an opportunity to respond to the facts and arguments and complete its review in a transparent manner. The State has also asked the EPA to stay its decision until a final judicial decision has been issued."

When Wyoming received the EPA's unpublished decision granting the Tribes "Treatment As State" status on December 9, 2013, Gov. Mead called on the state's attorney general to challenge the decision:

"It is outrageous to me that a regulatory agency has proposed changing jurisdictional boundaries established by history and the Courts. I have asked the Attorney General to challenge this decision and defend the existing boundaries of the reservation.

The business and economic reporting of CNSNews.com is funded in part with a gift made in memory of Dr. Keith C. Wold.
- See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/matt-vespa/epa-decree-shrinks-size-wyoming-million-acres#sthash.E7xcWxe6.gNNzDc9z.dpuf
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Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/21/2014 9:24 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/21/2014 10:02 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I too would be curious as to what legal authority the EPA is using on this one. 

While I am not familiar with the situation down there, it sounds like the EPA is recognizing tribal jurisdiction over an area.  There would have to be some reason for them to extend it beyond what appears to have been the previously accepted boundary.  I wonder if they are using the pre-1905 reservation boundary? 
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/21/2014 10:06 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Allen Said:
I too would be curious as to what legal authority the EPA is using on this one. 

While I am not familiar with the situation down there, it sounds like the EPA is recognizing tribal jurisdiction over an area.  There would have to be some reason for them to extend it beyond what appears to have been the previously accepted boundary.  I wonder if they are using the pre-1905 reservation boundary? 

The EPA can do amazing things allen.
Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/21/2014 11:39 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 yea I'd be curious to know on what grounds the epa thinks they have the authority to make land transfers of any kind.  I'm sure they got their marching orders from the oval office.  he's got a pen you know.  Oh and a phone.  which he never uses to call anybody in congress.
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by on 01/22/2014 07:06 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?
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"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


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Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 07:21 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cynical Said:
What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?


Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 09:01 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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kdm Said:
FBO!! 
cynical Said:
What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?




Outside of this, pretty much nothing.

There are a few outcome similarities with how the USF&WS (Federal agency) can come in and declare private lands "critical habitat" under the Endangered Species Act, take over control of private lands with no recourse to the private land owner.

As well as legally enter into agreements that violate state law.
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by on 01/22/2014 09:03 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Does this even make the TV news?  I've heard nothing so far?   The media is so facinate with Obama promoting weed they ignore the real shit going down.
"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson




Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 09:32 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Thats nuts!
I used to live there, I couldn't imagine owning a home/property  and having that happen..NUTS!!
And the EPA of all things, this has gotten way out of hand!

This is not going to turn out well, these aren't your most pleasant folks. Never once did I ever get a hello, hi of even a smile from any of them in town. "and I was raised on the rez up here in ND, night and day difference"  I couldn't imagine this happening.

 

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him;better take a closer look at the American Indian."
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Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 09:39 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Here is a well written piece regarding the expansion of Federal govt powers in these regards.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/13248-national-heritage-areas-the-land-grabs-continue

It is long, but spells out concerns we should all have if you are wary of expanded govt powers. 
 
There are any number of Federal govt agencies that have expanded their "power" by using various well sounding excuses. As the article says the starting point seems pretty innocent and well meaning, but such as is govt it morphs into something much more controlling and likely in conflict with what the Founding Fathers of this nation envisioned govt doing.

You will never see articles such as this speaking to issues such as this in the mainstream media.
Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 10:19 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cynical Said:
What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?
they have... well the g&f has for years... they TOOK the farmstead my mom grew up on back in the 60s... hell, some of you guys probably fish on it now... it was the land on the north side and between lake alice and ervine... just ne of churchs ferry...
grandpa got a letter from g&f saying they wanted to buy the farmstead for fair market value... grandpa said not for sale, well turned out, he was wrong... he tried to fight them, but guess what, he lost... within 2 years, building were torn down and burned, fences and signs up... thats how UNCLE rolls... big stick...
I learned at a young age not to get too attached to anything, cuz we are really all just renters here... like it or not, guys in $5,000 suits and wing tips run this country...

Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 10:50 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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foamit,

Are you saying the State used eminent domain to take your grandpa's land and turn it into a WMA?  Or am I misreading your post?
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Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 10:52 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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5575 Said:
 Thats nuts!
I used to live there, I couldn't imagine owning a home/property  and having that happen..NUTS!!
And the EPA of all things, this has gotten way out of hand!

This is not going to turn out well, these aren't your most pleasant folks. Never once did I ever get a hello, hi of even a smile from any of them in town. "and I was raised on the rez up here in ND, night and day difference"  I couldn't imagine this happening.
Delve into the changes EPA wishes to make to the Clean Water Act and see how many acres of land they would expand their absolute control over.

Everyone wants "clean water" right?

Why would anyone oppose this?

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/12/19/epa-attempts-grab-more-power-under-clean-water-act

http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/article/20131107/NEWS/131109837/1001/NEWS

Precipitation water which stands for longer than a 24 hour period will fall under the EPA governance. 
 
It is not just farmers that will be affected.

If you live in town and have a coulee or ravine in which water travels to off your yard after a precipitation event, or sits for 24 hours, you will fall under these newly expanded controls.

Perhaps govt has become too large to "rein in" any more. And yet people still want to expand it for their own agendas.
 

Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 10:53 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Allen Said:
foamit,

Are you saying the State used eminent domain to take your grandpa's land and turn it into a WMA?  Or am I misreading your post?
Perhaps the USF&WS?  COE?

Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 11:44 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Allen Said:
foamit,

Are you saying the State used eminent domain to take your grandpa's land and turn it into a WMA?  Or am I misreading your post?
no the feds did, and used eminent domain... it is now part of the lake alice national wildlife refuge...
grandpa bought the land in the middle 40s and farmed it until the feds took it in the late 60s... 798.95 acres, which other than the farmstead, was almost entirely tillable and supported a family for 25 years... he fought it for years and spent lots of money, but at the end of the day uncle won in the courts and took his home and way of life with a check and a piece of paper... 
he ended up moving to w central mn and bought a farm there to start over... 

so... long story short... this is not new... and don't kid yourself into thinking that if uncle wants it, he won't get it... he has the courts, elaborate studies, experts, and OUR check book behind him... history, land deeds, popular opinion, right vs wrong have nothing to do with it... REMEMBER THAT!!!

Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 2:31 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Ok, thanks. It's good to clarify that it wasn't the NDGF as the earlier post suggested.

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 3:21 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Foamit Said:
 
cynical Said:
What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?
they have... well the g&f has for years... they TOOK the farmstead my mom grew up on back in the 60s... hell, some of you guys probably fish on it now... it was the land on the north side and between lake alice and ervine... just ne of churchs ferry...
grandpa got a letter from g&f saying they wanted to buy the farmstead for fair market value... grandpa said not for sale, well turned out, he was wrong... he tried to fight them, but guess what, he lost... within 2 years, building were torn down and burned, fences and signs up... thats how UNCLE rolls... big stick...
I learned at a young age not to get too attached to anything, cuz we are really all just renters here... like it or not, guys in $5,000 suits and wing tips run this country...

please educate yourself on the difference between the G&F and the USFWS so at least your stories start off with at least some credibility

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by on 01/22/2014 3:39 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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fnznfwl Said:

please educate yourself on the difference between the G&F and the USFWS so at least your stories start off with at least some credibility



Please develope some tact so you don't come off as a pos sob.
John Browning=GENIUS
Re: EPA gives land to WY reservation?
by on 01/22/2014 7:06 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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fnznfwl Said:
Foamit Said:
 
cynical Said:
What would prevent them from doing the same in ND?
they have... well the g&f has for years... they TOOK the farmstead my mom grew up on back in the 60s... hell, some of you guys probably fish on it now... it was the land on the north side and between lake alice and ervine... just ne of churchs ferry...
grandpa got a letter from g&f saying they wanted to buy the farmstead for fair market value... grandpa said not for sale, well turned out, he was wrong... he tried to fight them, but guess what, he lost... within 2 years, building were torn down and burned, fences and signs up... thats how UNCLE rolls... big stick...
I learned at a young age not to get too attached to anything, cuz we are really all just renters here... like it or not, guys in $5,000 suits and wing tips run this country...

please educate yourself on the difference between the G&F and the USFWS so at least your stories start off with at least some credibility

I will not return your condescension as you may be way smarter than I am...

sorry about my error, but it doesn't change the fact that a functioning family farm was taken by the government... for ducks and deer...
I checked into which agency when asked and corrected it...

now for the "story" and my credibility... check it out... I looked at the old county atlases today myself... would be happy to send you info on township maps from before and after the theft... county atlases tend to be "credible" to most people...

this is not exactly a bright spot in my family's history and helped mold my opinions of government at a young age... and it still pisses me off and scares me today... I hope you never have to deal with a similar situation...

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by on 02/05/2014 5:02 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVTGK1uYqJo

Note the groups listed in this video and tuck them away in the back of your mind to see if they surface here in ND before the Nov. election.

Before dismissing this as some of the commenters on the video have, are we not now talking about creating "buffer zones" of private properties right here in ND?

http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/

"We have got to share this planet with the other living creatures, and sharing means not merely preserving them in zoos or National Parks, but setting aside huge areas. rachatdecredit.net is essential on rachat de credit to raise fund on the Wildlands Project. click here to learn more rachat de credit. Whole regions perhaps that will be free of human interference. Ideally, I would like to see certain large areas of the planet set off-limits to human entry of any kind, even aerial over flights."

http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/htm/summary.html

The goal of the Wildlands Project is to set aside approximately fifty (50) percent of the North American continent (Turtle Island) as "wild land" for the preservation of biological diversity.
  • The project seeks to do this by creating "reserve networks" across the continent. Reserves are made up of the following:
    • Cores, created from public lands such as National Forest and Parks
    • Buffers, often created from private land adjoining the cores to provide additional protection
    • Corridors, a mix of public and private lands usually following along rivers and wildlife migration routes
  • The primary characteristics of core areas are that they are large (100,000 to 25 million acres), and allow for little, if any, human use.
  • The primary characteristics of buffers are that they allow for limited human use so long as they are "managed with native biodiversity as a preeminent concern."
  • Moral and ethical guidelines for the Wildlands Project are based on the philosophy of Deep Ecology.
  • The eight point platform of Deep Ecology can be summarized as follows:
    • All life (human and non-human) has equal value.
    • Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.
    • Human population must be reduced
    • Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures.
    • Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.
  • The Wildlands Project itself is supported by hundreds of groups working towards its long-term implementation. Implementation may take 100 years or more.
  • The Wildlands Project has received millions of dollars in support from wealthy private and corporate foundations such as the Turner Foundation, Patagonia, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Lyndhurst Foundation, et
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