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Entering Canada with years old DUI conviction

Last spring I was involved in a somewhat heated debate over the legalities of entering Canada if previously charged with DUI in the states. One of those who didn't seem to believe my posts was NEB Greg. This article was in the Grand Forks Herald today. Maybe the reporter who wrote the article doesn't know what he's talking about either? Note some of these offenses were 20+ years earlier, in direct contradiction to what others posted last spring saying DUI dropped off after a couple years.

BORDER ISSUES: Canadian crime views keep some Americans out
Associated Press
Published Tuesday, January 01, 2008

INTERNATIONAL FALLS, Minn. - Another side effect of the post-9/11 security mindset: Americans who used to enter Canada with a wave and a few friendly questions are finding themselves stopped cold by their youthful indiscretions.

For some time, a drunken driving conviction was enough to deem a foreigner ?inadmissible? because the crime is a felony in Canada. But until recently, experts say border agents were less likely to find out about a foreigner's drunken driving record, either because they didn't ask or because they didn't have extensive criminal history databases to check.

Roseville man's story
It's affected people such as Bob Hohman, a 54-year-old computer network security analyst from Roseville, Minn.

After two drunken driving offenses in the 1970s, Hohman said he quit drinking. He had no qualms about disclosing the convictions in 2004 on a questionnaire at the Canadian border station in Walhalla, N.D., where he and his brother tried to cross on the way to an annual goose hunt.

?When the border agent saw these entries, he informed me that I would not be allowed to enter Canada,? Hohman said. ?I was kind of astonished. I was like, ?C'mon, all of a sudden, I'm not worthy to be in your country?'"

Undeterred, Hohman said he and his brother drove to a different border crossing, didn't mention his record and crossed ?without further incident.?

Others who get tripped don't press ahead.

Some fishing parties who have had a member denied entry into Canada have wound up at the Thunderbird Lodge on the U.S. side of Rainy Lake, said Mary Jane Haanen, co-owner of the lodge.

?You hate to benefit from the misfortune of a business in Canada,? Haanen said. ?But at least we've been able to help them salvage their trip.?

Lucy Perillo is president of Canada Border Crossing Services, a Winnipeg-based company that helps foreigners confront paperwork required to get permission to enter Canada with even a minor criminal record.

?The number being denied (entry) is increasing, and it's directly related to more questions being asked,? Perillo said. ?If you have a DUI or you wrote some bad checks or shoplifted or smoked some pot, you're probably going to need a (special) permit to come into Canada.?

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The Canadian government denies claims it is turning away more Americans.

?We haven't seen an increase in individuals found inadmissible,? said Derek Mellon, a spokesman for the Canada Border Services Agency, who didn't provide statistics supporting his statement.

?The requirements to enter the country have not changed,? Mellon said. ?We continue to welcome millions of American travelers every year to our country.?

As part of a 2003 agreement known as the Canada-U.S. Smart Border Declaration, Canada and the United States are developing shared databases of criminal history data on each other's citizens, in the name of anti-terrorism.

Canadian immigration officials say would-be visitors with minor records can be provisionally admitted. That's done by paying about $200 in U.S. money for a temporary permit or paying the same amount and following a months-long process to ?rehabilitate? their record permanently.

Randy Kutter, Princeton, Minn., said he's gone down that road - only to find frustration.

He had drunken driving offenses in 1981 and 1986 and was denied entry in fall 2005, while trying to cross into Canada at Baudette, Minn., on a fishing trip.

To get in, he said he paid about $240 for a one-time visitors permit and then put down more money later to start rehabilitating his record - a process requiring copies of the original charging documents.

?I then spent two days running around to different courthouses and found there were no records left,? Kutter said. ?I eventually gave up.?

Kutter added, ?Now, I do not admit to being arrested when I cross the border, but it is very stressful.?

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If the DUI is over 7 years old, I wouldn't even mention it. My understanding is records for DUI aren't even in that system more than 7 years ago. Basically what happens is that when you pull up to the port, the license plate number is ran. If the driver of the vehicle is the owner and it doesn't flag when they run the plate, 9 times out of 10 they just ask you the basic questions and your on your way. Occasionally they will pull everybody in the vehicle and run their license. Like I said, non-felony infractions are usually gone in 7 years here so there is nothing to pull up on the computer if it's over 7 years. The $240 for a one time permit is true as far as I know. However, I also understand that just because you pay the $240 and apply for the one time permit, they can deny you entry and you forfeit the $240. I live very close to the canadian border and have been through there numerous times since 2003 and have never even had to show my ID going into canada. Getting back into the U.S. is another thing.

 

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I heard too that it is a life long deal.

We must not care in the US. if Canadians have a DUI, as those Canadians come here and party like rock stars.. and I am sure some of those have been busted before???

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eyexer,
I wouldn't volunteer the information either, but if asked you'd best be truthful as they aren't real keen on intentionally misrepresenting your arrest history. To not answer each question fully and truthfully will get you more trouble than you bargained for.

When you pull up they run the plates and it tells them the info you listed, along with the history of the vehicle and the registered owners other border crossings.

While you may be right that a DUI drops off for insurance purposes arrest records aren't routinely destroyed after a set amount of years to my knowledge. The record of the arrest and conviction is "in the system" and there for them to see.

You are also right that paying the $240.00 doesn't automatically grant you a free pass to the Queens land.

I also cross the border frequently and while I agree with you it's harder to get back into the states than into Canada, increasingly they are asking for an official form of identification, especially when children are in the vehicle.

I personally know of several trips that were ruined because one person had a minor arrest on their record and the entire group was turned away. It happens all the time, and anyone thinking of a trip to Canada needs to be aware of it.

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Bowhuntin is absolutely correct. Don't lie about any direct question. You don't know what information they might have in front of them. If you lie to gain entry into the country, you have just violated the law. You stand a very good chance of getting arrested on the spot and going directly to jail. Everything that happens from then on will be according to Canadian law. Heck, if it's a weekend, you might even get to spend a few days in jail before you go in fron of a magistrate. Lie at your own risk.

FYI, DUI is a felony in Canada. That is why they take this so seriously.

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I know a party of eight that entered canada last fall. Four of the eight had DUI's of 7 years old or more. When asked about it they told no. The background check showed nothing so off they went. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what I know, if you don't like my info, don't use it and stay home from Canada. I could really care less if they let us in or not, I don't drink so it's not going to be an issue for me.

 

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eyexer,
I'm not going to get into a long argument about this. You said that the background check came up clear. Do you KNOW that there was actually a true background check? Do you really KNOW what the customs people have access to? That might change over time.

Here's what I KNOW. If you are asked directly if you have EVER had a DUI and you answer truthfully, you have no legal problems. Obviously, a YES might get you denied entry into Canada. They let you turn around and go back into the U.S.

If you lie and get caught, you are now in a whole different situation. The DUI is now the least of your worries because you have just lied to a Customs official in order to gain unlawful entry into a foreign country. You don't have the right to go back to the U.S. without their permission because you are in violation of Canadian and International Law.

Everybody reading this that has anything that might cause them problems entering Canada needs to decide how they will handle potential questions. There's only one answer for me for every question they might ask. The truth. Anything else has the potential to land a person in real trouble.

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I remembered reading a story in the Grand Forks Hearld around 2002. After 10 years without repeat offences a person is considered rehibilated and may enter Cananda.

Check the last paragraph
http://www.tiac-aitc.ca/english/customsandborders.asp

http://www.canadianfishing.com/dui.htm

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So as I rwad this it tells me that our own president is not allowed in CA>

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I entered Saskatchewan this October and I had a DUI conviction around 16 years ago. I called the Canadian Port of Entry before traveling and explained my situation to the Border officer and he said that my DUI conviction was over 10 years old and that I had only one conviction so I shouldnt worry about it. When we went thru the Port of Entry I had to declare a firearm and that went as smoothly as possible. There were no questions asked about my past and I'm sure there was a background check done when my firearm was registered with them. According to Saskatchewan's law I would be considered under DEEMED REHABILITATION.... conviction over ten years and only one conviction. I had no problem entering Canada at all. Just be honest with the Border Patrol.. and don't lie!

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Farnorth,
Ha Ha, this is rapidly going the way of the thread last spring!! Lots of experts who know more about crossing the border and all the rules and regulations that go with that than the customs officials who do the inspections!!! I could give a rip less one way or the other, I just posted this so anyone thinking of crossing got a heads up.

I guess I'll have to write a letter of protest to the Herald for printing an article with gross deceptions in it, such as the 2 guys who were refused entry for DUI's in the 70's and 80's. Shame on them for doing something like that. I'll bet those guys just lied to the reporter so they had the geese and fish to themselves!!

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dearal,
The two websites you posted aren't even official government websites so I wouldn't put much stock in them.

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in 2002 my 57 yr old father in law was denied entry to canada. he had a dui in 71 and forgot about it and the canadien authorities seen it on his record and would not let him in he had to dock his load and someone else picked it up and brought it in. he couldnt believe it he had actually forgotten about it being so long ago

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hawkeye2000,
Are you sure you aren't mistaken? Lots of experts here seem to disagree with your story!!LOL!!

Actually I believe you, and have heard and know first hand many of the same things happening all the time. Seems to depend on what crossing you arrive at, and what kind of power trip the border agent is on that day.

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Heads Up on the DUI issue manitoba has the strictest laws on drinking and driving. For those who wish to go to the north for fishing and hunting, a DUI is a minimum of 1200.00 fine and a loss of driving for 1 year. Also your vehicle gets impounded for 30 days no ifs' ands', or buts'.The impound charges vary. They put you through the ringer. So if you booze in manitoba be sure you have a DD.

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yeah i am sure a can still remember how dumbfounded my fatherinlaw felt

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This happened to ME in 1998. I tried to cross into Canada, and let them know about a DUI I had 11 years earlier. I was denied, unless I paid XX amount of dollars.

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I personally know individuals who will attest to the fact that even one DUI in your past, regardless of your age or how long ago the offense occured can make it VERY difficult to get back into Canada ever again if one intends to be 100% truthful at the border, and for one's own personal well being it isn't wise to be anything other than 100% truthful when entering another country.

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"What a joke" the ministry can stick it as far as I'm concerned,they just want our money not to mention we have plenty of good fishing here.Keep the money here.

Odd thing is we have 10million or is it 20million illegals roaming our country on OUR dime and we Americans can't get across the canadian border for some r&r.

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Has anyone successfully been "rehabilitated"? My roomate has a very recent (2yrs.) DUI. We'd like to make a waterfowl trip north, but he can't get across w/o rehabilitation. And it looks like you can't apply for rehabilitation until 5 years after your date of conviction. We surfed the net and found the info, but were still confused. Is it worth going through an agency like mentioned in the article?

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This is such poppycock. Why don't all the drunks just stay out of canada and we won't have to have this he said she said, be totally truthful when entering another country, discussion. If your scared about it stay home. As stated above, keep the money in the U.S.

 

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I agree its frustrating to get to the border and find that you are not allowed in because of a past minor consumption or DUI.  Who made the decision to drink and get caught in the first place?  I tell my children all the time who are all over 20 now, getting a DUI or a minor consumption carries a heavy consequence not only in the U.S. but also Canada.  Its hard for me to believe that people are that stupid that they don't think their drinking carries no consequences.  I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't get into canada they brought it upon themselves.  I was born and raised in Ontario Canada and now living in Minnesota, I have always abided by laws from both countries how hard is that?

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I live on the border and crossed the borders in mn, and n.d. 25 weekends a year for 15 years, and believe me that 1 old dui will get you denied access to canada. What ever you do answer all questions honestly. From what i can tell they dont allways run a background check on everybody crossing. but if they do and you are lying watch out you are breaking the law. My best advice is get a  passport or nexus card, it makes border crossing 100% easier. (passport is required i believe now). I know alot of people that have tried paying the fees to canada to clear there record and were denied. stupid law but it is a law.  I have lots of storys of bad border crossing from getting pulled into secondary for being the only one in the vehical and haveing 3 lawn chairs and camo rain gear to getting secondaried for pulling up and my camper door popped open and i didnt know it.. most border officials are good people but there job wouldnt be easy.

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Here is the deal with the Rehabilitation.  I applied for it and was approved 2 years ago so I know it works, it's just kind of a pain in the a. 
The lady named in the article- Lucy Perillo works for border crossing services in Winnepeg, if you contact them they will get you started with the right paper work to start filling out for rehabilitation.  The rehab is different from the temp permit, if you apply and are approved for rehab it is for life.
You need to go through a ton of paperwork, including getting court records, police records, reference letters and a few other things.  It takes a couple months to get everything together.  Once you have everything together you go to the border crossing and meet with them.  (I think it has to be a main crossing as well- Pembina) The head guy there reviews all your paperwork and prints and signs something that they stapled into the back of my passport stating I am rehabilitated and they cannot keep me from crossing into Canada because of my prior DUI conviction.  Since I have gotten that, they look at it and I have no problems getting into Canada.
A couple of catches-  the whole process cost me about 800 bucks and you can't apply for rehabilitation until your DUI is 6 years old.
No matter what stories you hear, this is the only way to be able to cross the border without having to lie or to worry about not getting in.

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Remm,yup,its all about the mighty dollar isn't it?,met some fine folks over the years up there,but everytime you turn around they (the ministry) stick it to us,have'nt been back up in years,since the "gun fee's" for hunters,ammo restrictions,slots,license increase's,ding'd on bringing bait in and produce...etc etc..Now Ontario has a NR sportsman license,you will now need two licenses.

Long story short,keep your money here in the states,support our folks here,times are tough and we sportsmen/women can help.

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A few years ago a friend and his dad were going fishing and at the border my friend was inside the building and one of the other border patrol ask the dad to open the trunk(this guy is almost deaf) and the dad said no, the agent asked again and the dad said no my friend looked out and saw a problem so he went out and ask what the problem was and the agent said again to open the trunk and the dad said no .So his son yelled open the trunk and he did and then the dad asked "why did the guy ask me 3 times if I was drunk.". I am sure the border agent will never forget that time.

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i will share my experience with you now.i received a dui in 1981 also 2000.i have been through the border in emerson manitoba 30 times since i was 15 yrs old.i am 46 now.i live in wisconsin.this year we all got passports,4 of us.we were staying in drayton north dakota fishing.went to canada to see my grampas gravestone in emerson.got to border and she gives me a slip and tells us to go inside.we sit inside for about a half hour and then she calls my name.thinking its my truck thats why they called my name.well i go up to talk to her and she says you have a conviction from 1981.i said ah i guess but i really couldnt remember at the moment what it was.i said i was 17 and she got pissed and said no you were 18.i said i stole gas or something.she said you would be able to enter because the fine wasnt or 500.00 dollars.then they checked my truck after we were let out of building.another 25 minutes of bull crap.now why didnt they find my owi from 10 yrs ago.i was so pissed when they brought up a conviction from 28 yrs ago.so i called the border and talked with a superintendent when i got back.explained my suituation and asked why you didnt find my dui from 10 yrs ago.he said sometimes if the citation wasnt registerd with the national data base they might not see it.so it is entirely up to you if you want to try and enter canada.i also have dual citizenship,my parents are both canadain.i usually never bring this fact up went i enter canada.so i explaned that to the superintendent and he said if i would have told them i was also a canadian citizen it wouldnt matter about my convictions.i have a citizenship card from when i was 17 yrs old.next time i go there next year they can kiss my azz.

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pinklady01 Said:

I agree its frustrating to get to the border and find that you are not allowed in because of a past minor consumption or DUI.  Who made the decision to drink and get caught in the first place?  I tell my children all the time who are all over 20 now, getting a DUI or a minor consumption carries a heavy consequence not only in the U.S. but also Canada.  Its hard for me to believe that people are that stupid that they don't think their drinking carries no consequences.  I don't feel sorry for anyone who can't get into canada they brought it upon themselves.  I was born and raised in Ontario Canada and now living in Minnesota, I have always abided by laws from both countries how hard is that?

I get annoyed with these "holier-than-thou" comments. I'm sure you've never done anything wrong before in your life pinklady so thanks for the lecture. Enjoy Minnesota

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 I have one DWI conviction from 1997.  I have since given up drinking totally and dont drive.  I have since entered canada from the US 2 times without a problem. I entered by amtrak. But the last time they once again never noticed my record.  But customs inspector asked me about a hundred questions.  He asked me if I had ever been brought before a judge.  I said No.  He never went further than that.  I have read that I can be arrested for lying to a customs official.

I AM NOW TELLING ALL AMERICANS NOT TO GO TO CANADA BECAUSE OF THIS.  IT IS PREVENTING ME FROM EVER GOING AGAIN BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO GIVE MY MONEY TO A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING UNREASONABLE.  I dont want to get arrested for lying so I will not go to Canada ever again.  Keep in mind, I dont drink or drive an automobile.

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It's not that tough,  don't drink and drive.  By no means do I claim to be holier than thou,  maybe just smart enough to not drink and drive.  It's not rocket science.

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thats why all should go to alaska. still the US and no BS.  better fishing too

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And the money stays in our country!

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thats why all should go to alaska. still the US and no BS.  better fishing too

 

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buy off the mounties with a case of molson, 1.75 of rye whiskey and a pack of smokes-- works every time

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iluvswnd took the words right out of my mouth. For every person out there that drinks (casually) or any other form, i would bet that 99.9% have been behind the wheel while over the legal limit at one time or another.  If not you are either a saint or a liar.

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At .08 it doesnt take much. when i was alot younger drinking and drieing was the norm, nobody thought about it.

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True , the truth will set you free. Free to go back to the United States.  You will have just wasted your time and money traveling and will lose your vacation.  The did a study and said that the average person lies about 5 times everyday.  Thats everybody, Politicians, customs people, and ordinary citizens.  If they are going to arrest you for something so stupid as for having a DUI conviction that may be 30 years old, Then you are well within your rights to lie to anybody.

The fact that they are not willing to recognize a statue of limitiations on this offense is antagonistic in an of itself.  Its not logical.  The offense may be 30 years old and its in another country.  THEY DESERVE TO BE LIED TO.

I have one DUI from 13 years ago,  I have since crossed the canadian border twice since then.  Once 6 years ago and the other last year.  6 years ago I was never asked if I had a DUI and they let me in.  They never spotted it on my record.  Last year they did ask if I had ever been brought before a judge and I lied.  I said no.  They let me in . If you ask a stupid question you get a stupid or incorrect answer.

I have actually been sober 13 years since my DUI, not having even one sip of alcohol, and I have not owned a car in 13  years.  I am inadmisable to Canada.  The whole law is idiotic.  

After further studying the law and finding out that I can be arrested for lying and go to jail for lying if they ask me if I have ever been arrested I will probably never go to canada again.  I will stay in the United states.  Why give the idiots my money.  Dont get me wrong, I love Montreal and Quebec and the Canadian people are very nice but the 
Canadian governement are hippocrits.

In New Jersey, DUI is a traffic offense.  It is not even a misdemeanor.  In Canada its a FELONY.  If Canada is so bent on punishing Drunk Drivers raise the drinking age from 18 to 21.  That would be a start.  You are encouraging drinking among the youth and then punishing them with a felony.

Its almost entrapement. Dont induce someone to do something only to punish them later.  Dont ask someone at the border if they have ever been arrested. You should have the information at the border. You are tempting them to lie. 

I AM ADVISING ALL AMERICANS RIGHT NOW NOT TO TRAVEL TO CANADA UNTIL THIS ABSURD LAW IS LIFTED.  (Have the law but have a statue of limitations on the violation)  I am a recovering alcoholic who has not had a sip of alcohol in 13 years and should not be punished for something I did so long ago.

I WILL KEEP MY DEFLATED US DOLLAR IN THE UNITED STATES. I WOULD HAVE GONE TO CANADA THIS JANUARY BUT WILL NOT.  AGAIN, AMERICANS DONT GO TO CANADA!!!!!!!!!


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Too funny, JIMJAKEBOB writes "They deserve to be lied to". That's too funny right there!  I also heard that if they catch you lying in Canada they make you stay.

 

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Keeping money spending tourists out of the country on the basis of a single 10 or 20 year old DUI is a bit silly, IMO!   Repeated DUI's and other felonies might warrant this.  Everyone affected should e-mail the powers that be and tell them why you think this overkill and would otherwise like to go to Canada and spend some bucks!    If enough people complain, usually the squeaky wheel gets........
With the Olympics coming up in Vancouver, I wonder how many people from all over the world might get turned back, including some of the athletes themselves? Some European countries have much tougher  DUI laws than Canada.  It would be funny if a lot of the ahtletes got turned back!   
Riverview and others are right - in the good old days a lot of us, perhaps most of us, should have earned a DUI or three, but didn't because of pure unadulterated luck!   
A bit off the topic but lots of agencies are taking long hard looks at previous DUI's.   I had a buddy have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops before he could even get a class 3 physical for flying based on a POT charge from the mid 70's!      A lot of employers find this out while screening job applicants, too.    A friend recently told me there is even a ND govt website  where you can check DUI's and other stuff on anyone.    He was going to send it to me, but hasn't yet!  
Best advice is to keep our noses clean and have a DD or pay a cab and all that.   OK GUYS!  DO AS I SAY - not as I did..... 

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BTW, if any of you are stopped for drinking up in Canada, the mounties will never write you up if you tell them that by trying to be a good tourist  you were just doing was what the sign said!   "DRINK CANADA DRY'

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Bobkat,
Whether you or I think a DUI is a big deal is immaterial.  If Canada chooses to consider a DUI to be a felony and then refuses entry to foreign "felons" based on that, it's their country and we have the freedom to not go there.

They also have a dim view of sex offenders.  Anybody that ever got into an argument with their spouse or live-in and ended up talking to the police about it just might show up on the radar with that tag too.  I know somebody that this happened to and he was floored.  Simple domestic disturbance a few years before that got handled but it caused a problem at the Border.

I'm oneof those people that has said several times on threads that not telling the truth is dangerous at the Border.  I have a friend that is a Customs Agent on our side.  The power they have at the Crossing Station is almost absolute and there are some that will take great joy in ruining your day if you mess around with them.  All in the name of thoroughly doing their job.

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Farnorth,  I am not making a determinatiion as to whether Canada has the right to refuse anyone entry into their country.  They have the right to refuse anyone.  But it doesn't make sense that a DUI 30 years old and which you have totally paid your debt to society should be used against you when crossing the border.  If Canada is so strict about Drunk Driving they should Raise the drinking age from 18 to 21.  that would be a start.  reduce the alchohol content of their beers like in the  United States .  Canadian beer on average is much stronger than american beer.

I was planning on going to Montreal this week, but after researching the facts, I have learned that I can be arrested for witholding my 13 year old DUI from the Customs Agent.

I lied last January and got away with it.  They are making two federal cases out of nothing.  Turning me into a convicted felon for a DUI 13 years ago, and now lying to a Customs official.  Now I can have two felonies in Canada.

I am a recovering Alchoholic and have not had a sip of Alchohol in 13 years.  I have not  even owned a car in 13 years.

I AM ADVISING ALL AMERICANS TO BOYCOTT CANADA UNTIL THEY REVISE THIS ABSURD LAW.  (Keep the law but have a statue of limitations on it)

The bottom line is I dont think the government of Canada really cares if they lose the American tourist.  If they are not going to welcome me and make it easy, I will never go to Canada again.  I dont want to be going on vacation and then end up in jail for lying to an agent.

And yes, If I am spending 12 hours on a train ride, its 20 below zero, and its 10 at night, of course I would lie to the customs agent.  Telling the truth will definitely send you back.  If you lie, like I did last year, their is a chance they may not catch it.

I WILL NOT GO TO CANADA UNTIL THIS ABSURD LAW IS REVISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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snow, i agree with you 100 % .  read my three long comments above. I am furious because I love going to Canada but I now know I will never go again. 

And the benefit is I dont patronize a country that doesn't want me there.  thats a plus

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eelpout, i gave up drinking and driving 13 years ago.  I fully paid my debt to society.  If this DUI is 30 years old or 13 years old the Canadians are prosecuting me again for the same offense.  Of course they have the right to refuse entry to anyone, but it is not logical

They clearly dont want my tourist dollars.   Read my three different comments.
I think then you will agree with me.

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I just find it funny that so many people get all ticked off when other countries try to tell us how we should do things.  Yet, some of us have no problem telling them how they should enforce their laws and Border Crossing Regulations.

If you don't like the way Canada does things, don't go there.  It's not that hard.

If you want to go there, there is a process to rehabilitate your record.  You pay the applicable fee and fill out the paperwork.  Then your problem goes away.

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Farnsworth,  If I can prevent one American besides myself from ever going to Canada again, I will have succeeded.  I Have been to Canada about 8 times over my life and love going there.  The people are also very nice.

This law is extremely illogical.  And yes, all countries have the right to do what they want. But that doesn't mean its right.  Raise your drinking age to 21, reduce the alchohol content in your beer, and then I will congradulate the Canadians for taking steps to make your roads safer.

 

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jimjakebob,
Reading your last post it seems you think Farnorth is a Canadian? It's just a screen name, honestly. He's a yankee, living in North Dakota, which is in the United States.

As far as Canadian laws go, yes, the legal age is 18 however the rest of their alcohol laws are much stricter than in the states. For example loose unopened cans of beer in a cooler in the trunk of a vehicle or in a boat are considered open containers and the fine is $100.00, not for the offense but for each can. Walking around a campground with a drink or beer in your hand is also prohibited and fined heavily. The only time alcohol is permitted in a vehicle is when it is being transported by the most direct route from the liquor vendor to your place of legal residence. They don't treat alcohol violations lightly and choose not to allow passage to foreigners who have demonstrated they have violated alcohol laws in their own country.

I'm glad to hear you've been sober for 13 years but the Canadians could care less. You could pay to apply for rehabilitation and if granted you'd be able to go up there again. Say, just curious, it's not the strip clubs in Montreal that you enjoy so much is it? Because if it is, believe me, I understand why.

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jimjakebob,
You're entitled to your opinions.  Out here in the sticks, we get along pretty well with out Canadian neighbors.  As a matter of fact, just a couple nights ago my family and I shared a table with some of those evil Canadians at a little bar and restaurant that we frequent located right on the border (American side) about 15 miles North of our house.

You know, it's funny but, other than the occasional "eh" I sometimes have a hard time noticing the difference in the people.  I get to Canada a lot because Winnipeg is closer than Grand Forks and Morden has a lot better golf course than anything close to where I live.

BTW, Bowhuntin is correct.  Canada has had some very strict liquor laws for quite some time.  Their legal limit was .08 long before we ever got there.  It is definitely a foreign country and you notice it.  I like to visit but I don't think I would want to live there.

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Canada has pretty strict seat belt laws, too.   Seems I remember about $200.00 an unsecured seatbelt while bear hunting up there!   
Some areas of Mexico has tough motorcyle helmet laws, too.   I don't recall what the fine is, but it was unbelievable.  When I asked them why they were so tough, they said the govt looked at the money they were spending on head injuries and long term care costs of people with head injuries and they decided it was too expensive and they'd try to cut it down.   No initiated measures down there to stop it.   Some beurocrat just changed the rules and that was that.
The funny thing is that in at least one of these tough helmet areas, its not unusual to see an entire family on a little motor scooter - sometimes 3 or 4 people, including babies, and everyone has a helmet on!   Kind of funny.... 

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Farnorth!  What you posted is right, eh!  Bloody right, eh!   I think I'll bugger off downstairs and jump on the exercise bike, eh?  

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Farnorth, I guess if I lived near the border I would feel differently. I live in north jersey.  About 400 miles from Montreal.  About 12 hours by train and now up to 4 hours at the border while they thoroughly question everybody on the train with every question U could imagine.

The irony of Canada having these ridulous draconian laws with no statue of limitations is that the people are extremely nice and the country is very laid back. I think the leglilsators should take a hard look at their laws.  

If they wanted to, they could probalby turn back more than 50% of the athletes and visitors for the Vancouver games.  They not only include DUI but any criminal or minor offense when deciding whether someone is admissable.   Over a lifetime, a good percentage of the people have some kind of indiscretion on their record.

CANADA SHOULD CUT TO THE GOOSE CHASE AND JUST CLOSE THEIR BORDERS TO FOREIGNERS IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING ANYWAY
 
AGAIN THEY SHOULD REVISE THIS RIDICULOUS DRACONIAN ILLOGICAL LAW TO HAVE  A STATUE OF LIMITATION.  I WOULD BE IN MONTREAL RIGHT NOW BUT I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BREAK THE CANADIAN LAW AND WILL KEEP MY DOLLAR IN AMERICA.

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If you have been convicted of a DUI within the last 10 years you will need permission to be able to enter Canada.  If it has been more than 10 years since you were convicted and you have NOTHING else on your record, you don't require anything to enter Canada.  If either you have more than one offence or one offence less than 10 years ago you need to apply for permission to be able to enter Canada.  Here is a link to a useful website that explains everything 

http://www.duicanadaentry.com/criminal-inadmissibility-canada.html.

     

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