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Elk plan delayed for official briefings

by , Posted to on 06/05/2009 06:57 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Elk plan delayed for official briefings

 
 
Even while release of the Theodore Roosevelt National Park plan to reduce its elk population is delayed for a series of briefings to federal officials on the matter, the Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar told a North Dakota senator he supports a common-sense solution.

Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., said both Salazar and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who chairs the Interior Appropriations Committee, agreed to work with him on the issue. Dorgan has said using qualified volunteer hunters who can keep the elk meat is the only acceptable alternative, rather than spending millions of federal dollars.

Park Superintendent Valerie Naylor had said the park's preferred alternative would be released by the end of May and says now it could be next week.

Naylor said the plan is being briefed "all the way up," in the Interior Department but said she doesn't anticipate the briefings will result in a change of plans.

"We're still going forward with our process that's required under the law," she said.

The park needs to reduce the 900-head herd by lethal means and will pick among four draft options to reach its management goal.

Naylor said the park "did not and could not" consider public hunting in the park as a way to reduce the elk herd.

She said public hunting, even if it were allowable in a national park, is also an "extremely expensive," option. "It's very disruptive and it would go on for several months over many years and would greatly change people's perception of the park," she said.

Dorgan has said he'll force legislation if using qualified hunters who can keep the elk meat is not picked as a way to reduce the herd.
Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 07:36 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
It will never happen without Naylor on board.  And the other alternatives are wanton waste alternatives that we as sportsmen must object to.  I have an idea......lower the fence in about 100 places so they can get out easier.  Then we can shoot them on public grasslands.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 08:07 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Why doesn't Dorgan just DO THE DANG legislative route?  The Park hides behind the old outdated law all the time.  They will continue to do so because they have some in charge that have tendencies outside the conservation minded folks...they are super conservation types.  We all know what I like to call them...

Point being, like I have been saying the whole time, they will continue to hide behind the law instead of work together to find the right legislation.  If Dorgan is sincere, then he needs to get the pen out and start writing a bill.  If he doesn't and doesn't do it soon then it is obvious he is just playing tough guy to make himself look good in front of his constituents.




 
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Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 08:26 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tim,
I suspect you're right on target with your fears of Dorgan playing "tough guy" for the crowd back home, but he's at least been vocal on this issue. I haven't heard anything from Conrad or Pooperboy on this yet but maybe closer to election time they'll get on board.

I know there are many who are salivating at the thought of hunting elk in the park, but we have to remember this will largely be a herd reduction effort not a trophy hunt, so there will be few if any bull tags issued. That is unless Dorgan really does want to impress the crowd back home, and he has more power in the senate than I think he does.
Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 09:00 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yeah, I give him kudos on being vocal but there is a difference in talking and doing.  Here's me supporting him...on THIS

As for antler or antlerless this is a tag that I wouldn't care.  I'd gladly take a cow for the meet and just to hunt and see large bulls.  I think they could take a few and I would like to shoot a bull but with this tag it wouldn't count against your once in a lifetime hunt so I and I suspect many others would not be against harvesting cows.

As for the other two.  I imagine Conrad (Mr. Statitician) is too busy crunching "crucial" important numbers.  Pomeroy, he is watching Lord of the Rings.  Heh, heh...




 
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Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 09:32 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Actually Pomeroy is busy planning his wedding...
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Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 10:54 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Someone needs to ask Valerie Naylor which option she supports.  Overall, I'm not impress by TRNP staff.  One of their staff told me that my concealed weapons permit was not valid inside the park, even though we have a ruling that allows it as far as I know.  I could tell he didn't like the idea of anyone but him having a loaded weapon in the park.

I wonder if they will ever get around to controlling noxicious weeds in the park? 

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 12:08 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The staff at TRNP are a bunch of azzclowns.  And Dorgan is the king of lip service.  That being said, there is no chance in hadies that there will be hunting within the park by the general population. 
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by on 06/05/2009 12:32 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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eyexer Said:
The staff at TRNP are a bunch of azzclowns.  And Dorgan is the king of lip service.  That being said, there is no chance in hadies that there will be hunting within the park by the general population. 

You are correct.  But what else can you expect from a group run by the fed govt?

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 6:53 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Well yea, I guess. 
ggenthusiast Said:
eyexer Said:
The staff at TRNP are a bunch of azzclowns.  And Dorgan is the king of lip service.  That being said, there is no chance in hadies that there will be hunting within the park by the general population. 

You are correct.  But what else can you expect from a group run by the fed govt?


Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/05/2009 8:27 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I vote we put truck drivers in charge of the park system, that oughta really fix it.

They at least wouldn't be as likely to care much about federal laws.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/06/2009 09:02 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I am really, really tired of Naylor.
A couple weeks ago she was on television talking about how the park was looking into a new policy to circumvent the bill passed by Congress and signed by the President allowing concealed carry. She said they were looking into how to make the guns nonfunctional.
Now she is in the paper once again fighting against hunting. Even if Congress would pass a bill, she will work to find a way around it.
This boggles my mind - WE ARE HER BOSSES! There is no reason she should get to keep doing whatever she wants. She is in a public position. If there is a way to have her removed or reassigned, I'm all for it. She isn't elected, so we can't vote her out. There must be a way.


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by on 06/06/2009 09:56 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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44magman Said:
I am really, really tired of Naylor.
A couple weeks ago she was on television talking about how the park was looking into a new policy to circumvent the bill passed by Congress and signed by the President allowing concealed carry. She said they were looking into how to make the guns nonfunctional.
Now she is in the paper once again fighting against hunting. Even if Congress would pass a bill, she will work to find a way around it.
This boggles my mind - WE ARE HER BOSSES! There is no reason she should get to keep doing whatever she wants. She is in a public position. If there is a way to have her removed or reassigned, I'm all for it. She isn't elected, so we can't vote her out. There must be a way.

Sounds like she fits right in with the new administration.    I'm really tired of beurocrats in general.    Look at the time and money wasted on this issue when there is such a simple solution.    People like this will be running our healthcare system soon.

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Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/06/2009 09:58 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Basically what she is doing in my mind is considered insubordination.  She really needs to be relieved of her duties.  She's looking out for her best interests, not the people nor the parks. 
44magman Said:
I am really, really tired of Naylor.
A couple weeks ago she was on television talking about how the park was looking into a new policy to circumvent the bill passed by Congress and signed by the President allowing concealed carry. She said they were looking into how to make the guns nonfunctional.
Now she is in the paper once again fighting against hunting. Even if Congress would pass a bill, she will work to find a way around it.
This boggles my mind - WE ARE HER BOSSES! There is no reason she should get to keep doing whatever she wants. She is in a public position. If there is a way to have her removed or reassigned, I'm all for it. She isn't elected, so we can't vote her out. There must be a way.



Re: Elk plan delayed for official briefings
by on 06/06/2009 10:59 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I guess someone here mentioned we should put truck drivers in charge of the park?  Hmmm.  Must have missed that one.

Really, there are several educated and knowledgeable truck drivers out there (many that run their own business, have common sense and are more than capable).  So, I'd say it probably would be a smarter move, all things considered.  They at least wouldn't be tied to their personal agendas...from the start anyway.  As soon as they sit in office for a few years then they'll play their own fiddle.  Evidently.




 
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