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Drones

by , Posted to on 07/29/2012 7:36 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/11/2009
Location: KS
What do you guys think of this?

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/07/ap-camp-grafton-drone-practice-range-072612/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

This has been a real topic of discussion in here in Kansas.  Here is an article about the cattlemen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-environment-spying-idUSBRE84U03120120531

This does not make me feel really comfortable.  In Missouri they are using aircraft to fly over farms and count buildings.  If they have more buildings then registered then they estimate building size and send a tax bill.  I know of one person who has had this happen.  Now they want to know what is stored in the building.  They say if he has unregistered cars in there they want to know so they can tax them also.

Here is another.

http://www.examiner.com/article/drones-over-america-lawmakers-investigate-domestic-uav-use-by-obama

Just wanted to get your thoughts..... scary stuff IMO.

Re: Drones
by on 07/29/2012 10:47 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
So, you are worried that tax cheats are going to be caught?  Personally, I'd like to see every tax cheat caught so I can stop paying THEIR fair share.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Drones
by on 07/30/2012 00:31 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/07/2007
Location: ND
There is nothing that can be done by a "drone" that can't be done with a manned aircraft.  I don't see a problem with them.
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by on 07/30/2012 01:56 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/12/2003
Location: ND
What did it cost to fly that drone over those buildin gs,process that info??.compared to how much taxes they collect??
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by on 07/30/2012 07:28 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND
Tis not the point. Those drones aren't invading anyone's privacy. Even if it costs as much or more to fly them than the money brought in, fly away. A crime is a crime imo. I don't bitch when I see the hp giving a ticket even tho I know that $21 doesn't cover his wages, benefits, gas and vehicle xpense for the time it took to write and process the ticket.
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Re: Drones
by on 07/30/2012 07:32 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
they're going to fly the drones anyway for training.  they'll just use this for training.
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by on 07/30/2012 10:53 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/18/2004
Location: ND
Allen Said:
So, you are worried that tax cheats are going to be caught?  Personally, I'd like to see every tax cheat caught so I can stop paying THEIR fair share.
You mean like Tim Geithner
 
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Re: Drones
by on 07/30/2012 12:16 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
I think drones are used a lot less than some of the news people lead us to believe.  If they are small enough and don't go very high (300 above ground level I heard) anyone can use them.  Even YOU can spy on your neighbor out sunning herself behind that fence sans bikini!
 Higher and further remoted  at this point the 'droner' has to apply to the FAA who will publish NOTAMS (Notice to All Airmen) when and where and altitudes  they are approved, so that Talorman in his T Craft and others don't crunch into one!  .   This is not to say unmanned sircraft  won't be used more frequently in the future or regulations changed.  The entire drone thing is in its infancy.
Most surveillance of stuff like CRP, farm bill applications, illegal drainage or pollution and suchlike are done via satellite.   We all use Googlemaps, but the ones agencies use are much more detailed. 
Where closer or more immediate surveillance is needed (for example no satellite around when needed) fixed wing piloted aircraft are used.  The military has aircraft capable of photographing a grasshopper's eyeballs from 20K feet! 
The idea of Drones spying on us just feeds into the government paranoia  that a lot of people like to fertilize.  Blame it on Obama, or Bush, or whomever the flavor of the day might be.
Re: Drones
by on 08/01/2012 6:00 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/11/2009
Location: KS
I think some of you are missing the point here.  Did you know that currently under the new drone law there is no warrant needed to use a federal drone.  Here is a story of a North Dakota man.  Now I don't advocate of support the actions of this man but a military drone was used with out a warrant.  Good deal?  Now keep in mind the cows wandered on to his property.  Where does the stealing come in?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073248/Local-cops-used-Predator-drone-arrest-North-Dakota-farm-family-stealing-6-cows.html

As for the person I was referring to collects cars.  All the ones he stores never even touch a public road.  He keeps them for show as he operates a private deer hunting operation.  So if you don't operate it why should it be taxed.  I know, I know if we don't like the laws then change them and that is being worked on.

Here are the types of things I am not excited about.  And it is not just the federal government I am worried about what about private groups.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/citizens-shoot-down-animal-rights-groups-surveillance-drone/

When you are out hunting do you want a couple of animal rights guys buzzing you and the animals your hunting.  When they get wind of this what do you think they will be doing?

Now these things are getting cheap.  A buddy at work just build one like the animal rights guys and installed a GoPro on it.  Pretty cool but it concerns me.  Do you really want these things flying all over monitoring everything in their path?

We have a big story here right now about the police departments using new camera technology that reads 180 license plates a minute.  Looks for stolen cars, people with warrants, etc.  but here the kicker... All the plates that comeback with nothing still get their cars location stored on a database that can be possibly accessed with public information requests.  Is that good?

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/30/3733189/kc-police-hold-a-treasure-trove.html

Good conversation though.

Leave you with a Benjamin Franklin quote:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Re: Drones
by on 08/01/2012 6:17 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/29/2009
Location: ND
So,  can I use a drone to pre fish a tournament,  if I know what, where and the lure... should  save several days of fishing and give me and edge.  Or zero in on the guys with extra beers to share.  Coin flip

                                                                                                                         

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by on 08/01/2012 6:20 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/24/2008
Location: Mo
WormWiggler Said:
So,  can I use a drone to pre fish a tournament,  if I know what, where and the lure... should  save several days of fishing and give me and edge.  Or zero in on the guys with extra beers to share.  Coin flip


Make one hell of a game camera!
 
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