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Devils Lake Research

by walynut , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 08/23/2011 10:01 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
walynut

Joined: 01/08/2003
Location: ND

Missed this article but very interesting the research that is going on out there in regards to the size/feeding/growth rates of the walleyes.

Also found the below pasted comment from the article to also be very interesting, maybe the state is starting to come around IMHO. If not, at least they might be keeping an open mind.


http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/213253/

 

Breeggemann’s research, he said, could help determine if walleye growth slows for a portion of the older fish and whether regulations such as length limits — common in neighboring Minnesota — would result in more large fish.
 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T
Re: Devils Lake Research
by espringers on 08/23/2011 10:29 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
espringers
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don't often see gill net studies that result in the catch being killed.  wonder what is done with the rest of the carcass?  maybe i am being paranoid... but, for some reason, this study wreaks of they type where the researcher has a desireable end result that could lead to data manipulation.  don't have any idea who jason is.  but, i would like to know his current stance on slot limits.  and, i guess i would have to see the math behind the models.  but, it sounds like the total harvest will be right around 1000 fish and it seems that it would be difficult to extrapolate data for the entire lake from what feels like a small sample size.  either way... interesting idea. 
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Enslow on 08/23/2011 10:32 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND
espringers Said:

don't often see gill net studies that result in the catch being killed.  wonder what is done with the rest of the carcass?  maybe i am being paranoid... but, for some reason, this study wreaks of they type where the researcher has a desireable end result that could lead to data manipulation.  don't have any idea who jason is.  but, i would like to know his current stance on slot limits.  and, i guess i would have to see the math behind the models.  but, it sounds like the total harvest will be right around 1000 fish and it seems that it would be difficult to extrapolate data for the entire lake from what feels like a small sample size.  either way... interesting idea. 

The NDGF uses gill nets all of the time to test waters that have been stocked.  The fish are thrown on the shore or buried.
Re: Devils Lake Research
by espringers on 08/23/2011 10:38 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
espringers
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really... why do they toss them on shore?  i guess i am in the dark on this... won't they live after being caught in a gill net? 
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Enslow on 08/23/2011 10:41 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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espringers Said:
really... why do they toss them on shore?  i guess i am in the dark on this... won't they live after being caught in a gill net? 
No fish survives in a gill net.  Im not sure why they use gill nets vs the type of nets they use for milking.  Im sure there is a reason though. 

Re: Devils Lake Research
by Captain Ahab on 08/23/2011 10:43 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Enslow Said:
espringers Said:
really... why do they toss them on shore?  i guess i am in the dark on this... won't they live after being caught in a gill net? 
No fish survives in a gill net.  Im not sure why they use gill nets vs the type of nets they use for milking.  Im sure there is a reason though. 


Probably more effective and by the sounds of it they are killing most of the sample anyhow.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin
Re: Devils Lake Research
by measure-it on 08/23/2011 11:25 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
measure-it
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If the G & F throw the gill net fish up on shore, do they write themselves a ticket for wanton waste/littering? 
Re: Devils Lake Research
by k@M0m@N on 08/23/2011 1:57 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Not all fish die when using a gill net.  Many fish like the bullhead and catfish species can survive being caught in a gill net, although the amount of oxygen in the water, how the fish is caught in the net, and the temperature of the water play some role in determining a fish's survival.  The reason a gill net is used is because the nets you use to catch walleyes for spawning, called trap nets, only work along the shore line in water that's usually more shallow than 10 feet.  Gill nets can be used in water from 0-how ever deep you want a net to be set.
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Re: Devils Lake Research
by SHORTHAIRSRUS on 08/23/2011 4:07 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Stay thirsty my friends
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Enslow on 08/23/2011 4:25 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Exactly they are eating tons of shrimp and getting very fat.  Tons of smaller fish always point to overfishing pressure.
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Captain Ahab on 08/23/2011 4:28 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Enslow Said:
SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Exactly they are eating tons of shrimp and getting very fat.  Tons of smaller fish always point to overfishing pressure.


Or most of the big fish have moved to greener pastures.  I think you know what I am talking about.  It is hard to catch a small one in those areas.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Enslow on 08/23/2011 4:29 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Captain Ahab Said:
Enslow Said:
SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Exactly they are eating tons of shrimp and getting very fat.  Tons of smaller fish always point to overfishing pressure.


Or most of the big fish have moved to greener pastures.  I think you know what I am talking about.  It is hard to catch a small one in those areas.


Or you could think about it this way, the areas you speak of haven't had fishing pressure and fish are big.  That area will be dinkville if it gets overpressured too.
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Captain Ahab on 08/23/2011 4:34 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Enslow Said:
Captain Ahab Said:
Enslow Said:
SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Exactly they are eating tons of shrimp and getting very fat.  Tons of smaller fish always point to overfishing pressure.


Or most of the big fish have moved to greener pastures.  I think you know what I am talking about.  It is hard to catch a small one in those areas.


Or you could think about it this way, the areas you speak of haven't had fishing pressure and fish are big.  That area will be dinkville if it gets overpressured too.

Sounds like we need a slot.  Drum roll please................................................Enter Multispecies.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."
Benjamin Franklin
Re: Devils Lake Research
by Enslow on 08/23/2011 4:48 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Captain Ahab Said:
Enslow Said:
Captain Ahab Said:
Enslow Said:
SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
by the looks of my boat after the weekend --- i dont need a study -- cus they all Sh!t shrimp all over my boat -- big or little fish it dont matter they all eatin shrimpos 
Exactly they are eating tons of shrimp and getting very fat.  Tons of smaller fish always point to overfishing pressure.


Or most of the big fish have moved to greener pastures.  I think you know what I am talking about.  It is hard to catch a small one in those areas.


Or you could think about it this way, the areas you speak of haven't had fishing pressure and fish are big.  That area will be dinkville if it gets overpressured too.

Sounds like we need a slot.  Drum roll please................................................Enter Multispecies.
Thanks for throwing salt into a boiling pot!  haha.  I think Multispecies and I have come to an understanding. 

Re: Devils Lake Research
by SHORTHAIRSRUS on 08/23/2011 5:37 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Enslow -- did last weekend look like over fishing to you?  Nobody was at the ramps -- and when i went on pelly -- nobody was on that green pasture.   

Weeds is what is changing the lake. 
Stay thirsty my friends
Re: Devils Lake Research
by riverview on 08/23/2011 6:23 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
riverview
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big fish are there but you have to be a fisheman to catch them
Re: Devils Lake Research
by jaksamas on 08/23/2011 8:15 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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we were catching some nice fish off our dock spring early summer then dinks, guessing the bigger ones just moved on to deeper water dont think we caught them all
Re: Devils Lake Research
by walynut on 08/24/2011 10:24 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
walynut
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Alot of small fish, yes. Challenge to find bigger fish, can be.

Someone please define "Big Fish" for me so I can translate what I am finding to what you are thinking. This is the first year in the last 5 that I have not got one over 10 so you might be on to something.

Slot limit, kinda, sort of/maybe. If there were and type of "limit" placed I would like to see it for small fish, say no fish under 14". Give them small ones a chance to grow.

As for greener pastures, you might be on to something, there is ALOT of water up north and it would be interesting to know how many fish did not transition back down to the main lake. Why would they, they have it made in some of these areas ,little fishing pressure, plenty of food, newly flooded ground ect.

jaksamas Said:
we were catching some nice fish off our dock spring early summer then dinks, guessing the bigger ones just moved on to deeper water dont think we caught them all
I say it on here every year and a few people try it and most come back on here and put a post that says thank-you but I will say it again, go SHALLOWER!! Not to say some bigger fish dont go deep but I know for a fact, they dont all go!! Buddy used boat two weekends ago and took a spot off my gps in 3-5 FOW throwing cranks, pulled two limits of 16-20 and released a 26,25,22,21 out of the same hole, did I mention 3-5 FOW in the middle of the day?
 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T
Re: Devils Lake Research
by SHORTHAIRSRUS on 08/24/2011 11:39 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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walynut Said:
Slot limit, kinda, sort of/maybe. If there were and type of "limit" placed I would like to see it for small fish, say no fish under 14". Give them small ones a chance to grow.


Those 2009 class -- could be over 14" by the end of the fall shrimp binge
Stay thirsty my friends
Re: Devils Lake Research
by ranger10 on 08/24/2011 12:46 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: nd
walynut Said:
As for greener pastures, you might be on to something, there is ALOT of water up north and it would be interesting to know how many fish did not transition back down to the main lake. Why would they, they have it made in some of these areas ,little fishing pressure, plenty of food, newly flooded ground ect.

I know what you mean. There are guys catching 5 to 6 pounders in some of the sloughs and coulees that were apart of the drainage areas from this spring. Seems to me there is a good deal of fish that don't make it back to the lake.

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