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Creek Chubs

I like using creek chubs for bait, but usually I can't find them at any bait shops. I've tried to catch them myself but I haven't had any luck. Anyone got any info on where I can buy some, or I'd really appreciate any info on how to catch them myself and where to catch them.

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Think fat head minnows are the only legal baitfish

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Depending on the lake creek chubs are legal.  In Sakakawea they are.  You will have very little luck finding them in ND bait shops.  Last time I bought some Beulah had them but I doubt they do on a regular basis.  Other than that, you will have to catch or trap your own.  Creek chubs are named creek chubs for a reason...you find them in creeks :-)

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Yeah they are legal on any lake that you can use minnows as far as I know. I have tried to trap and catch them on Fish Creek (not the lake the actual creek that feeds into it) and Sweet Briar Creek. Had a buddy help me use a seine net on Sweet briar creek all we got was bullhead and fathead minnows.

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there is a small horseshoe dam nw of burlington we call lux's dam. the last weekend of april is the tail end of the chub run but the best time to catch them. the pool below the falls holds thousand of large creek chubs. catch them with small piece of angle worm on a light telescopic rod, long shank barbless thin wire hook @ about 8" below a stationary tiny bobber. bring a 5 gallon pale with a lid as they will jump out of the bucket. have a cooler with exterior ariation system ready in the truck with river water. access the gravel road that is parallel to the hwy drive up the road/driveway to the river, the dam is actually next to the hwy but that property is posted. park on the shoulder of the gravel, walk the ditch to the trees and thru to the dam, (it feels like your sneaking in). the banks are extremely difficult from the riprap.

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Careful what you advertise about the seine Wildcat. I dont agree with it, but they are not legal for catching baitfish in ND. I think its a conspiracy to keep bait dealers in business myself!

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scheels in fargo usually carries suckers up to about six inches in length


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Pioneer bait in Jamestown can get almost anything as far as bait if it's legal and you call and ask.
I don't know the laws here for trapping for personal use, but in Colorado we used them for Pike and Lake Trout fishing. We would catch both suckers and chubs using the regular cone shaped minnow trap. We made bigger versions ourselves or opened the holes up a little. We used a couple cans of soft dog food and opened 1 end and punched holes in the other. We put it in a little current so it would slowly wash the dog food out and get the smell moving. Sometimes we'd get so many in the trap that no more would fit. They'd be all around the trap when we'd pull it out.

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In SD I used to be able to get them in spring and fall. Ive asked about them this last year and they said there was zero chance of them getting any creek chubs. A friend of mine lets people that run a bait bussiness trap bait off his land and last fall even they didn't have any! I wonder what happened to the creek chub, or did it become illegal to take them?

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HUNMUP: Thanks for the tip, I lived in Burlington for awhile so I just might be able to find that spot..now I have all winter to figure out how I'm gonna keep em alive if I manage to catch a few. Not sure if my girlfriend would appreciate an aquarium full of creek chubs in the living room!
Lycanthrope: Just looked at the proclamation and it doesn't say you can't use a seine but doesn't say you can either. so I won't do that again.

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I've trapped them on my own. Most creeks in SW ND has them. Kind of a pain to keep them alive in the summer although my late gramps was a master at finding them and keeping them alive in the old cream can. Who needs an aerator when you have grampa Henry's cream can full of his speacial blend of creek and well water.

I've used them on Sak for walleyes and they work well. One time I was using about a 6 incher when the game and fish boat pulled up and they were real curious to know where I got my bait. I think they thought we were using suckers and had to check us out or maybe it was the Old Milwaukee Light that got their attention. I'll never know and didnt bother to ask.

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Creeks are legal, just not available due to no interstate transport restriction now in place.

Charlies Bait is working with ND G&F to figure out a safe program to get Creeks into our state for fisherman again.

For Charlie safety to our fisheries is his prime concern, once it is established as safe, we should see them in shops state wide again.

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What? Somebody is already trying to get a loophole built for them so they can make a buck. Who would have ever thought...

I hope he doesn't succeed or our no importation rules will mean nothing. Not like he will spend the money to test every shipment into the state for aquatic nuisance species (which would be thousands of dollars). So he would be looking for a one-time test my bait and then I can do it for X number of years before you test me again.

Which means he could deliver how many tanks full of ANS before it were to be discovered?

While I too would like the option to use suckers on Sak, they were a great bait for both eyes and pike. However, I have accepted not being able to use them for the good of the overall fisheries of ND because people wouldn't stop using them in the small lakes.

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Let's just ban all live bait, then we don't have to worry about the spread of ANS or any other undesireables in our waters. And the birds won't transport it either...will they?

Yah, right. We need less regulations. Common sense goes a long ways.

I hope Charlie's Bait and the NDGF get those creek chubs coming from Minnesota.

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I say we execute the first stupid SOB that through ignorance or intention eff's up our lakes.

Maybe make him eat all the chubs, spiny water fleas, zebra mussels along with his salad of curly leaf pondweed and eurasian milfoil.

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Creek Chubs are also found in sloughs that are usually spring fed. Go and buy yourself a couple minnow traps , and experiment ponds,sloughs and creeks. With the recent drought conditions,chubs have been hard to come by. By the way, if you find the mother lode, I would keep it to yourself,or some people that you can trust to not reveal the locale.

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i catch them on small hooks and worms on the heart over by the spillway by the golf course

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The creek chubs are coming boys,the name of the business is Monster Minnows ,we are out of Hazen ND and I have two 15,000 gallon tanks with huge numbers.
I'll be selling them at the hook Line in Beulah to begin with,and expand from there.
I'll keep everyone posted on this website.
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Allen settle down, I said he was working closely with the ND G&F to get them established...not smuggle them in during the dark of the night.

There are regional populations of Creeks in ND, just not enough to trap for sale. So new stocks are needed to raise them for sale.

Good to hear others are on this too, the need and market is there.

As a non invasive species and one that is known to be natural for our region, they are a good fit.

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cortez12 if your going to have the Creek Chubs for Sale in the near or not so distant future please contact me as I may have an account for you and some questions.

backwtr1@msn.com

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Now that's what I like, a little good old ND entrepreneurship vs. seeking loopholes to import bait.

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I hope you still feel that way when leeches are banned from import, and then potentially NightCrawlers. There is talk of both by the way. I expect leeches to get banned as soon as this season for import into ND. I can count licensed leech trappers in ND on one hand, and from what I have found out they gave up trying and just do minnows now. The truth is if we do not import leech's, we will not have them for use.

How many commercially viable leech producing sloughs are there in ND? And if the water quality and environmental conditions was such as to produce and sustain them, why wouldn't have somebody done so? Odd right, as it is a highly lucrative and profitable trade?

The answer is habitat fitting to produce them, they do not raise well in a controlled environment...attempts from imported stocks into ND waters fail. Local strains are not exceptable to anglers, House Leechs, nobody wants them.

The answer is not a ban, it is SD/ND G&F and MN/WN DNR stop gaps that control and quarantine bait tell they are checked and certified as free of disease and aquatic hitch hikers.

Bait comes in now like a sieve now from anglers who travel from other states and buy from who knows who licensed or not licensed, and this is the main means of invasive species introduction, not certified and checked bait dealers who import. They go out of there way to make darn sure there tanks are clean and they are 100% checked by the DOT and DNR prior to entering ND.

Reputable licensed dealers know the fines are stiff and the consequences of invasive species contamination, it is in there best interest to obey the laws and be extra careful. It is there livelihood at stake, they will not toss that away to smuggle a few baitfish in....no way.

Before some start to point the long finder at commercial bait dealers, we best understand where the primary threat is coming from and address that first.

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I once bit and ate the head off a creek chub......WHAT, it was for 5 bucks!

Of course there wasn't any beer involved.

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Just to explain where my creekchubs are coming from ,they are being naturally bred in 400 feet of artifical creek with adult males and females. I have a water source at the head of the creek that runs 15 gallons a minute and comes from a natural spring under ground.
When the fry hatch out ,they haul butt down stream to get away from the adults or they will be lunch.I have my tanks screened so only the fry can enter the 2- 15,000 gallon tanks at the end of the creek and they cannot exit the 2nd tank .My biggest chubs in the 2nd tank right now from last years spawns are at about 3 inches and should be in the 4 inch range by spring.
If any one wants to contact me ,please email Curt at
bisonautoworks@westriv.com
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I did hear of your set up, very well conceived, a smart system...I like it.

I sent an e-mail off your way..we should chat.

Thanks,

Ed

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BWE,

Yes, I do love using leeches and crawlers and know full and well that they too are on the chopping block.

And you are right, walleyes only eat Ribbon Leeches, of which there are very few sloughs in the state that hold them. Maybe none as I tried trapping them in a good number of sloughs many years ago.

And guess what. To add a little ANS safety to prevent the importation of spiny water fleas, YOU G-DAMN right I will learn to live without.

The more we chat on this the more I am starting to think you are like every other guide in the state and are willing to sell the health and welfare of our outdoors in the name of making a buck.

I'm sure that I am wrong, but bucking for continued importation of water from one of the most invaded states in the nation is just A VERY BAD IDEA.

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Aren't imported leeches already illegal? I think that was something that went into effect this last season.

 

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Yep, from the GNF website/Fishing Regs:

"All legal live aquatic organisms used by anglers, including legal baitfish (e.g. fathead minnows), amphibians (e.g. salamanders and frogs), invertebrates (e.g. crayfish and leeches) and insects must have been purchased or trapped in North Dakota. No live aquatic organisms may be imported into the state by anglers. "

Anyone know why crawlers may be on the list?

Eddy, I was not aware the Minnesota DNR and DOT checked every shipment coming into ND. I guess now that everything is illegal to import (except crawlers?) it will probably be a lot easier.

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I'll call my contacts at the NDG&F and see if leches are not for import or for sale in ND in "09". They were still good in 08. I speak with them frequently, including the man in charge of this, and so far no word of a ban has been passed to use sporting bait retailers. We are the often the first to get posted on changes, even before the press is, so we know it will shut us down on orders and sales of the banned product.

And Allen...?

"The more we chat on this the more I am starting to think you are like every other guide in the state and are willing to sell the health and welfare of our outdoors in the name of making a buck."

Allen...you are a "Guide-O-Phobe"...you do not know me, or my beliefs. Before you start think'n you do..why don't you talk to the NDG&F and the MN DNR guys who do know me once. I have worked with both for many years on conservation issues effecting both states here on the Red River of the North...and see what they say about me... and your constant rant on guides in ND is well known and for the most part highly unwarranted.

And Allen..if you must know, I am not actively guiding and have not been for some time now, I refer on my calls to other guides I know and trust. I have other obligations these days that requires my time. I may guide again someday, I enjoy it, but have no plans to do so in the near future. So if you wish to target me for my beliefs do so as me, not for me as a guide.

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Actually, I don't consider myself a phobe of any kind, well except acrophobic. It still takes me a few minutes to get over it.

BWE, try not to let my sincerest dissappointment in someone seeking an exclusion allowing them to bring in aquatic live bait deter you from disliking me. The truth be told I almost never give fish guides much thought until I run across them. Then the circumstances dictate what I think of them.

Much like this instance.

Umm, just thought of another fear of mine. Gallophobia! But that would make anybody of German heritage run. LOL

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The whole argument of ANS is ridiculous when you can place leeches in potable water.  I don't know why the complications are so difficult.

As for creek chubs, they are such a worthless bait in that they require so much attention to keep them alive.  I will never understand how a fish like a creek chub lives in less than desired creeks, etc but can't survive a few days in the refrigerator.  Fragile creature.  Never have put on on my hook yet but I imagine some day I'll give them a try.  Personally, minnows in a dam are my favorite.  Big son's of guns!

Now to the whole guide comment.  Yeah some have a problem with fishing guides.  Not sure why other than the obvious idea that they believe guides hoard fish.  I have family that use to guide and they provided folks that do not have an opportunity to fish the ability to enjoy the outdoors.  It would be interesting to know how many of them go on to become active in the outdoors and become a number we much need to keep our resources healthy and protected.  If it is the idea that guides exploit and hoard a resource from the public then I think those hateful toward guides should ask if hunting grounds managed for wildlife is any different.  I hate the cheap shots but fishing guides are guides that I think are the least of our concerns when it comes to the reaping of our resources.  Not to mention, those hating guides give guides too much credit.  They must think they are so good they catch limits of fish each day.  Couldn't be further from the truth.  Fishing is fishing.

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