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Close deer season in 2014

So with many people saying the population of deer is at an all time low.  Would it make sense for the Game and Fish to close deer season for a year to let the population stabilize and grow back to healthy numbers?  My opinion is close the season if it will help out population of deer grow.  I know a lot of people will say eff that and no eff way, but just curious on this topic.

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Reduce doe tags in all units and maybe even cut them all together in some.

It seems to be working in mule deer country in ND so maybe it'd work in the rest of the state.

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It would be entertaining to see them not have a regular drawing next season but still issue gratis tags to landowners.   lol,  stir it stir it 

 

 

 

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 You're curious on lots of topics. Fishing buddy must have expert advice.

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 I love how all these "interesting" topics always seem to get started by the new members?

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 yup and make sure all those people with 4, 5, 6, or more points loose them and start out on even drawing field in 2015!

i don't want to look back and say "gee i could have eaten that!"

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dang computer hung up and posted twice..my bad...he hehe

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And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

 

 

 

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Newbie stirs the pot again...kid...we've beat this topic like a dead horse already.

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 I wouldn't complain if it were closed for 2014.

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Here's my plan:    Shut down the season for five years so bucks have a chance to reach maturity,   open up the season,   WALLHANGERS FOR EVERYONE.

It's ND man,    the health of the deer population is directly dependent on mild/moderate winters.   I remember shed hunting in the spring of '04.   Never seen so many winter killed deer.    Shut down the season if you want.   They'll be wiped out again the next time a bad winter rolls in.  


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Geothermal Said:
And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

So a couple thousand acres of corn/beans.. how many tags could i get? 

 

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 I don't think its necessary.... I saw probably 40-50 deer on opening weekend. While those numbers are probably lower than our usual it doesn't seem like closing the season is necessary in the unit I hunt. That may not be what is going on in every unit but I was pleasantly surprised with the numbers we saw, especially with all the standing corn and flowers still out there. I also saw 2 nice sized herds of antelope over the weekend so maybe things are starting to look up on that front as well. 

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Geothermal Said:
It would be entertaining to see them not have a regular drawing next season but still issue gratis tags to landowners.   lol,  stir it stir it 

that's a power blender pot stirring

 

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BOOOOO If we wanted Brad Pitt's opinion we'd ask for it ;)     Moose killin' with a glock sonofagun. :p

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 I wouldn't complain if it were closed for 2014.
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My thoughts would take longer to establish a better quality deer population, but it is proven to work; bring back CRP and tree rows/shelter belts...

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Geothermal Said:
It would be entertaining to see them not have a regular drawing next season but still issue gratis tags to landowners.   lol,  stir it stir it 

that's a power blender pot stirring

  LOL  It's good that we can agree that we disagree on things and still have fun with it.  

 

 

 

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Yeah somebody needs to talk to all the careless farmers tearing out shelterbelts...  Somebody worked really hard to plant all those in such nice straight lines and what not.  What a bunch of acreage hungry jerks.  

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My thoughts would take longer to establish a better quality deer population, but it is proven to work; bring back CRP and tree rows/shelter belts...
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 12, But don't forget you have to have 24  acres of food plots planted in order to qualify.  Or, You can leave 24 acres of corn/beans on the ground.  

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Geothermal Said:
And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

So a couple thousand acres of corn/beans.. how many tags could i get? 

Geothermal Said:
And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre Make that two acres  of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

 

 

 

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The Mantis Said:
Yeah somebody needs to talk to all the careless farmers tearing out shelterbelts...  Somebody worked really hard to plant all those in such nice straight lines and what not.  What a bunch of acreage hungry jerks.  

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My thoughts would take longer to establish a better quality deer population, but it is proven to work; bring back CRP and tree rows/shelter belts...

What you just posted is not how I feel, sorry you feel that way... you really shouldn't, as farmers are just doing what they need for their families... The problem is much deeper but some how I think you know that and I do my best not bad mouth neighbors or to talk economy, social issues or politics online.

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 I intend on getting into bowhunting next year so that's just not happening.

 

 

 

 

 

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The Mantis Said:

Here's my plan:    Shut down the season for five years so bucks have a chance to reach maturity,   open up the season,   WALLHANGERS FOR EVERYONE.

It's ND man,    the health of the deer population is directly dependent on mild/moderate winters.   I remember shed hunting in the spring of '04.   Never seen so many winter killed deer.    Shut down the season if you want.   They'll be wiped out again the next time a bad winter rolls in.  


You should change your name to The Man cause you're usually spot on.  Give em a break for a year or two, at least in a few units.  And reduce the doe harvest..

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I was being jokingly sarcastic.    It is frustrating to see shelterbelts removed,  some places they are the only cover for miles aside from sloughs.     I don't blame the farmers.   I'm just saying if it were my land I would try to avoid removing them as much as possible.

I do understand what you mean,  my grandparents have a ranch,  and my grandpa and uncles love deer hunting almost as much as I do.   But when they are trying to make a living for their families what's best for the deer is usually at the bottom of their to-do list. 

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The Mantis Said:
Yeah somebody needs to talk to all the careless farmers tearing out shelterbelts...  Somebody worked really hard to plant all those in such nice straight lines and what not.  What a bunch of acreage hungry jerks.  

MossyMO Said:
My thoughts would take longer to establish a better quality deer population, but it is proven to work; bring back CRP and tree rows/shelter belts...

What you just posted is not how I feel, sorry you feel that way... you really shouldn't, as farmers are just doing what they need for their families... The problem is much deeper but some how I think you know that and I do my best not bad mouth neighbors or to talk economy, social issues or politics online.

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MossyMO Said:
My thoughts would take longer to establish a better quality deer population, but it is proven to work; bring back CRP and tree rows/shelter belts...

This as well.

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 Bow hunting should be 2 weeks too , 1 week before rifle season and 1 week after .   Baiting and advances in bow equipment along with the season that lasts  all fall and half the winter   turned it into a slaughter , No wonder we don't have any big bucks.   When I was a kid it was actually a challenge to kill a deer with a recurve bow  and no bait pile.    There , That should piss off just about everybody that I missed earlier.    Sorry if the truth hurts, Just telling it the way it is.  

 

 

 

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Hahaha...   Geo,   you're on a roll right now.    I'm loving it.  

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 Bow hunting should be 2 weeks too , 1 week before rifle season and 1 week after .   Baiting and advances in bow equipment along with the season that lasts  all fall and half the winter   turned it into a slaughter , No wonder we don't have any big bucks.   When I was a kid it was actually a challenge to kill a deer with a recurve bow  and no bait pile.    There , That should piss off just about everybody that I missed earlier.    Sorry if the truth hurts, Just telling it the way it is.  
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Get rid of the rifle season all together and have a muzzleloader or slug season and don't have it smack dab in the middle of Nov.  Since we're wishing for things....

 

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 Can't deny that the G&F screwed the pooch for several years with all the extra doe tags issued and we have seen the results the last couple of years with the assistance of Mother Nature.  As a result, tags are way down, and I would suspect that they will continue to be in line with this year's amount for a few years to come.  A few easy winters and nice springs would turn things around pretty quick as long as the doe tags stay down.  Fewer tags in general will undoubtedly result in more mature bucks in the next few years as well, but I think you are going to have to have a giant horseshoe up your behind to draw a buck tag in consecutive years for a while.  One gun tag per year would be fine with me from here on out and would be much better in the long run in my opinion.


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 would i have to cover 24 acres with solid corn or could i just leave the unloading auger on and just leave it in nice lines for 24 acres?

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 12, But don't forget you have to have 24  acres of food plots planted in order to qualify.  Or, You can leave 24 acres of corn/beans on the ground.  
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Geothermal Said:
And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

So a couple thousand acres of corn/beans.. how many tags could i get? 

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And Outlaw bait piles and require gratis tag applicants to plant one acre Make that two acres  of food plots for every gratis Tag received .

 

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Get rid of the rifle season all together and have a muzzleloader or slug season and don't have it smack dab in the middle of Nov.  Since we're wishing for things....

  I say leave the slugs in MN, There would be nothing pretty or fun about pointing a piece of pipe in the general direction of a deer and pulling the trigger.     I'm guessing but I bet slugs grind quite a trail and cause a lot of bloodshot meat on a not so well placed shot .   The deer deserve better than to get all shot up because your eyeballing a pipe and slinging lead at them instead of using a scope and a caliber that will get the job done right.

 

 

 

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    Nope. Plant it and swath it and leave in windrows, Sunflowers,corn and others might be better off left standing .  swaths work best from what I see.   Deer and other wildlife will paw and nibble in swathes Through the fall, winter and spring, It lasts longer and spreads out the energy 
 If every farmer was required to leave, Lets say,  1% of his crop for wildlife conservation as part of the farm bill or he won't receive his payments ?       Well that about covers everyone that can be pissed off but it is what it is and it's all in fun but we need to work together if we want to secure our great grand kids the chance to harvest wild game off the land like we have.. It's a hell of a tradition that's in our roots and it should stay in our blood just like Thanksgiving turkey.   Conservation requires either pride or force because it doesn't cash flow for the producers.  


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 would i have to cover 24 acres with solid corn or could i just leave the unloading auger on and just leave it in nice lines for 24 acres?

 

 

 

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 more than 1% is left out the back of the combine every year.... but I know what your getting at... i think ill plant a tree in the name of geothemal next year. what kind would you like?

 

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 The G&F will have a lottery until the last doe and fawn are shot, they want the MONEY

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 more than 1% is left out the back of the combine every year.... but I know what your getting at... i think ill plant a tree in the name of geothemal next year. what kind would you like?

just make sure it isnt one of those diseased dying off elms or box elder!

i don't want to look back and say "gee i could have eaten that!"

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 People that remove shelter belts, are from the same , learn nothing from your grandfather, generation that stripped regulations causing the 2008 market crash. Just because the dust bowl was 80 years ago, doesn't mean it won't happen again. One good drought and we will all be coughing up dirt.


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lets just get rid of all hunting and fishing seasons and become liberals, and just run around and screw everything up for everyone that enjoys anything..

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 It's really helped the aantelope herd......

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It's called hunting, not shooting.  Why do we need so many deer around that everyone gets to shoot a buck and two does.

I kind of like not having deer running out of the ditch every two miles on the highway.

And it's not just the amount of tags NDGF issued several years ago.  Just like with pheasants, there has been a large loss of their habitat as well.

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wrong. no-till killed the shelter belt. plain and simple. the dust bowl of yesteryear wont be happening any time soon. 

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 People that remove shelter belts, are from the same , learn nothing from your grandfather, generation that stripped regulations causing the 2008 market crash. Just because the dust bowl was 80 years ago, doesn't mean it won't happen again. One good drought and we will all be coughing up dirt.

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fitting reply for a guy that can fish all day for 3 follows and 1 strike.......btw, i agree with you 

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It's called hunting, not shooting.  Why do we need so many deer around that everyone gets to shoot a buck and two does.

I kind of like not having deer running out of the ditch every two miles on the highway.

And it's not just the amount of tags NDGF issued several years ago.  Just like with pheasants, there has been a large loss of their habitat as well.

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5575 Said:
Get rid of the rifle season all together and have a muzzleloader or slug season and don't have it smack dab in the middle of Nov.  Since we're wishing for things....

  I say leave the slugs in MN, There would be nothing pretty or fun about pointing a piece of pipe in the general direction of a deer and pulling the trigger.     I'm guessing but I bet slugs grind quite a trail and cause a lot of bloodshot meat on a not so well placed shot .   The deer deserve better than to get all shot up because your eyeballing a pipe and slinging lead at them instead of using a scope and a caliber that will get the job done right.

Nope. 

My M12 FC will group within a softball at 50yds.  Problem is--3ft right.  Got a single bbl 16ga which will readily destroy a beer can at 50 with a dead on hold.  Killed my first deer with it back in '84 there Sonny.  Slug bbls and dedicated slug guns can be had which EASILY produce clover leafs at 100.  I would FEEL safer around weapons with less carry in the areas I hunt and would also support leverguns, etc stoked with .40 and up handgun rounds.  Anyways, I read about a study; I believe in American Rifleman, revealing slug only zones were not measureably less dangerous than full hell fire.  Also, a 16ga slug behind the shoulder produces a neat 16ga hole through the animal usually resulting in DRT or a short, easily followed blood trail.  No need to be concerned about penetration or expansion.  Obtain accuracy, be disiplined with the range and BOOM/THWACK.  Hell, all you need is to hit an 8in circle... 

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MuskyManiac Said:
It's called hunting, not shooting.  Why do we need so many deer around that everyone gets to shoot a buck and two does.

I kind of like not having deer running out of the ditch every two miles on the highway.

And it's not just the amount of tags NDGF issued several years ago.  Just like with pheasants, there has been a large loss of their habitat as well.

  Even with my "Zen" I got cold busted and ate tag soup year before last. (No tag last year.)  The boy and I had great fun trying to get a good shot at "mama" who was on to us--hard.  No Dice.  This was the first year I felt comfortable with all circumstances to try a still hunt with him.  We had a hell of a time.

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Want to help the deer population out,very easy don't buy a deer license!!

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Want to help the deer population out,very easy don't buy a deer license!!

Yep.  OR don't pull the trigger.

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 How about we have deer hunters that can actually shoot a rifle. I see way too many wounded dear that dont get recovered, or worse yet, not even try to recover. 

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wrong. no-till killed the shelter belt. plain and simple. the dust bowl of yesteryear wont be happening any time soon. 

  Stop and think about what this years standing stubble would look like after 2 or 3  years of  failed crop seeding over it where nothing came up.    

 

 

 

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5575 Said:
Get rid of the rifle season all together and have a muzzleloader or slug season and don't have it smack dab in the middle of Nov.  Since we're wishing for things....

Should probably eliminate the compound bow. Not only unethical, also wounds way to many deer that the coyotes end up eating.

 

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I think limiting the number of tags is all that's needed.  They will continue this for a couple years or better and then numbers should slowly rise again.  No need to close it for good.

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