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Chuckers, quail or pigeons

by , Posted to on 10/04/2008 3:23 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/22/2006
Location: ND
I am in desperate need of either chuckers, quail or pigeons to get my 1 year old pup interested in birds and not the gun fire. She isn't quite gun shy, but getting there. I need to have her exposed to a lot of birds quick. She gets all excited at tweedy birds, but when the crack of the blanks goes off, she doesn't leave my side for a while. Then when she is finally off and running again, crack, she is by my side again. Any help would be nice.

Thanks

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/04/2008 5:51 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/23/2004
Location: ND
where do you live,if your any whree near Jamestown,I can fix you up with pigeons.
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/04/2008 6:24 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
If she is already gun shy you have to take care of that issue first.  Don't add birds to the mix right now, if she associates that with birds she might shy away from birds when they are introduced.  Take care of the shyness first and then introduce the birds.  You can work birds just don't shoot while your doing it until the gunfire doesn't alarm her. 
 
When I introduced gunfire to my dogs I started with a cap gun and gradually moved up to a shotgun when they got used to the noise.  Take your dog out on a run and let her get a ways off and then fire, make sure you act like you don't know what just happened because most of the time they will try to associate the noise with you but just act like you don't know what is going on.  At first I made sure there was a good distance between us when I first started to shoot around them and I think that was key.  Take your time and she will come around.  Like I mentioned previously, don't shoot around her when you are working birds if she is gun shy because if she associates the birds with the gunshot, which she is a little spooked of right now,it will be much tougher to break her of that. 

Josh Loebs

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/04/2008 8:30 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
I agree with Josh, the first thing you need to do is fix the gun shy part.

I suggest enlisting a friend, kid, or wife to help.

Start by taking the dog out where you have lots of space to play and bring its favorite dummy. Start playing fetch with the dummy and walk away from the crowd. Once you are a couple hundred yards away let your partner start shooting with a shotgun at some clay pigeons. You and your pooch start working the fetch game back towards the shooter.

They don't have to shoot often and you will have to judge your pooch. It will also help to have a not shy dog around that likes to chase the clay pigeons on command, or runs to retrieve when a person "misses".

This has worked for me with a couple of GSPs.

Your dog may look to you for comfort. Don't give it any or you will reinforce its fear of gunfire. You must act like gunfire is no big deal.

Good luck! Nothing worse than a chicken for a hunting dog. :D
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 1:45 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/22/2006
Location: ND
Kennybob,
I will be in Oaks this coming weekend. Would you be available Sunday night? I know she is a little shy right now, but i would like for her to start really chasing birds with out gun fire. I know that this year is out for any more bird hunting with her, but i want to really keep the desire to hunt there. She loves to go out and she loves the e-collar, but the first sound of a gun and she is by my side. 2-3 minutes later she is working country like crazy. I brought home a teal today and threw it across the yard and she went right over and brought it back. We just have not kicked up enough birds to keep her attention to the good stuff. Pigeons would be great.

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 2:26 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/23/2004
Location: ND
sp180 I'm around most any time. Give me a call 701-252-8982. Im sure we can work something out.
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 2:42 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/24/2004
Location: ND
Its showtime - put her on some birds next weekend and let that 12 guage buck. Hunt by yourself - and you might just see that gun shyness go away. Something about a scent of a rooty. Dont miss either that way it is complete.
Stay thirsty my friends
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 2:50 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2005
Location: ND
My son raises quail in Williston and still has some left. I had a dog that went gun shy after being worked on birds and took it through the gun shy program with fairly good luck. I do kind of agree that the birds could get her in a more excited mood to bring in gun fire in a distance. The advice about being an escape is very good so don't make a fuss over her or get mad but act like it is do big deal and you are out to have fun. Good Luck
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by on 10/05/2008 2:54 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
shorthairs,

That could work but if it doesn't and that dog associates the sound that she is not sure of  to the birds then you have even more trouble on your hands. Much safer to get rid of the gun shyness first IMO.  She's young and it's much more important to start slowly with a softer dog than rush into things.  Get the shyness straightened out and then move on from there.  Been through this very thing and patience is key.  Like I mentioned, it could work just taking her out hunting but it is a big gamble.  Right now you have an easy fix but it could get worse if she starts to think it's the birds that are causing the noise that she isn't sure about, just something to think about.

Josh Loebs

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 4:01 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/22/2006
Location: ND
I wont be shooting over her with the birds. The birds are for her to keep her interest and play. Find a few, flush a few, catch a few. That is the goal.

The gun shy issues will be worked slowly. My wife and i are out with a cap with out birds and when she is playing with her brother.

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 4:03 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/22/2006
Location: ND
I am in Grand Forks so looking for birds closer. Jamestown might work next weekend. I will call this Friday.

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 4:22 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/24/2005
Location: ND
Birds are the key -- let the dog bump and chase till both of you are confident that they are the only purpose she is in the field. Once you get her to that point re-introduce the gun at a distance and work yourself closer until such time as you shoot a bird for her. Kinda pointless IMHO to fix a gun shy dog that hasn't first proved it's a bird dog and worth the effort.
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 4:32 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Doublea makes a good point, I guess I took it for granted that she was already around birds and that wasn't a problem .  The main point I think is to do one or the other until she is ready and then reintroduce the birds and shooting together.

Josh Loebs

Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/05/2008 6:27 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/24/2006
Location: ND
Doublea is right getting the dog to love birds more than he is shy of the gun is key. Once the dog loves birds and cant get enough of them then start slowly and from a distance with a gun I would use a 22 blank gun and move up to a shotgun. I had a dog with the a problem like yours I took mine to a trainer to help me. the extra $$$ I spent was well worth it. If the dog gets gun shy it can be very hard to correct
Re: Chuckers, quail or pigeons
by on 10/08/2008 07:39 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/15/2006
Location: ND
I know some pigeon fanciers that loan homers out to guys and they train out of release traps and let the birds fly home. Good deal if you can find a breeder willing to let you use birds. I have a set of EZ Remote Launchers I might part with if you need them. They are pigeon size launchers.
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