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Bullet Seating Depth

by , Posted to on 01/16/2012 07:58 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/06/2011
Location: ND
I have a 22-250 factory barrel that I have been developing test loads for.  I am finding that I need to seat the bullets really far in order to get close to the lands.  These loads still fit in the mag, but I am wondering how far a guy should seat bullets out of the case with respect to proper neck tension and seating depth in the neck of the case itself.  With a 50gr V-max, the bullet is seated roughly half way into the neck.  Should I be less concerned with having the bullet close to the lands and more concerned about how far the bullet needs to be in the neck of case? Or does it not bother you guys to have the bullet seated semi-shallow in the case?  Your two pennies would be much appreciated, thanks>
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by on 01/16/2012 08:08 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND

I wouldn't fret it either way.  I don't worry about neck tention much, I partial neck size to a crush fit, and get as close to the lands as my mag box allows.

This is my SOP.

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by on 01/16/2012 08:10 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/21/2005
Location: ND
Kentucky Windage Said:
I have a 22-250 factory barrel that I have been developing test loads for.  I am finding that I need to seat the bullets really far in order to get close to the lands.  These loads still fit in the mag, but I am wondering how far a guy should seat bullets out of the case with respect to proper neck tension and seating depth in the neck of the case itself.  With a 50gr V-max, the bullet is seated roughly half way into the neck.  Should I be less concerned with having the bullet close to the lands and more concerned about how far the bullet needs to be in the neck of case? Or does it not bother you guys to have the bullet seated semi-shallow in the case?  Your two pennies would be much appreciated, thanks>

doesn't sound like any issues yet. go with a collet crimp and have fun

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by on 01/16/2012 08:44 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/06/2011
Location: ND
marksman Said:
Kentucky Windage Said:
I have a 22-250 factory barrel that I have been developing test loads for.  I am finding that I need to seat the bullets really far in order to get close to the lands.  These loads still fit in the mag, but I am wondering how far a guy should seat bullets out of the case with respect to proper neck tension and seating depth in the neck of the case itself.  With a 50gr V-max, the bullet is seated roughly half way into the neck.  Should I be less concerned with having the bullet close to the lands and more concerned about how far the bullet needs to be in the neck of case? Or does it not bother you guys to have the bullet seated semi-shallow in the case?  Your two pennies would be much appreciated, thanks>

doesn't sound like any issues yet. go with a collet crimp and have fun
How important is it to crimp?  I have never done it to a single round, and I have never had a problem.  As of right now, I am not planning on doing it either.  Any negatives?
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by on 01/16/2012 10:13 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/21/2005
Location: ND
Kentucky Windage Said:
marksman Said:
Kentucky Windage Said:
I have a 22-250 factory barrel that I have been developing test loads for.  I am finding that I need to seat the bullets really far in order to get close to the lands.  These loads still fit in the mag, but I am wondering how far a guy should seat bullets out of the case with respect to proper neck tension and seating depth in the neck of the case itself.  With a 50gr V-max, the bullet is seated roughly half way into the neck.  Should I be less concerned with having the bullet close to the lands and more concerned about how far the bullet needs to be in the neck of case? Or does it not bother you guys to have the bullet seated semi-shallow in the case?  Your two pennies would be much appreciated, thanks>

doesn't sound like any issues yet. go with a collet crimp and have fun
How important is it to crimp?  I have never done it to a single round, and I have never had a problem.  As of right now, I am not planning on doing it either.  Any negatives?
The crimp will make a lot of difference IF all of the other work has been done  square the action with the barrel, neck sizing so the brass fits the chamber .  Cut off the bottom 1/2 inch of the die so you can only neck size.  Check the neck on the brass  everytime the gun is fired the brass stretches inside neck ream trim to length to fit the chamber factory loads are made to a will fit standard it is up to you to do the rest of the work.  A gun that shoots 1 inch from the factory will shoot 1/2 inch with work

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Re: Bullet Seating Depth
by on 01/16/2012 12:08 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/21/2009
Location: nd

Seat the bullets how the gun likes to shoot them best, if for hunting make sure they load in magazine and feed. With the new bullets now days it is easy to seat them out to the lands and not fit magazine proper. Don't worry about how much bullet is sticking in neck or out and you only need to crimp if shooting a gun that recoils bad which causes the bullets to maybe get longer in magazine or cylinder. Most dies can be set to neck size only and or full lenght size. It seems most guns like bullets set very close and maybe touching lands. I don't like to crimp because it can cause damage to bullet , the case if done wrong and effect accuracy. Never really saw any troubles in my many years of reloading for hunting and competition.

Food for thought.

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by on 01/16/2012 12:21 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
holy wall-eyes... where did that pic come from?  looks oddly like bonzers in grand forks.  however, as fine as they were... i don't ever remember seeing one quite like that in my 8 years there. 
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by on 01/16/2012 12:38 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
I'd bushing die long before I'd crimp die.
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by on 01/16/2012 12:39 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
 
espringers Said:
holy wall-eyes... where did that pic come from?  looks oddly like bonzers in grand forks.  however, as fine as they were... i don't ever remember seeing one quite like that in my 8 years there. 

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by on 01/16/2012 4:59 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/19/2003
Location: ND
Kentucky Windage, I run into the same problem with my 300 Win Mag this summer.  Berger bullets like to be close to the lands, and when I got close with the 185 VLD I only had 1/8 inch in the neck.  I had to go to the 210 gr to get full neck/bullet contact.  I don't  think you will find that 1/2 contact is bad, but I could wiggle and pull my bullets by hand.  I don't think I would want less than 1/2 bullet/neck contact.

Crimping.  I had never done it myself until I purchased a DPMS AR15 in 223.  I just could not get a load to shoot as well as Blackhills Ammo.  So I duplicated the Blackhills load and still it didn't do as well.  I noticed their ammo looked crimped so I thought I would try a Lee crimp die.  Like others I thought it would deform the bullet some, and I am sure it does, but that load shoots very good, and I mean ten shots under 1/2 inch at 100 yards.  That's locked down in sandbags and not a hunting situation, but I was impressed anyway.   That was a 20 inch bull barrel and after hauling it around for six miles in deep snow I traded it for a light 16 inch.  Not as good, but still good. 

I think your seating depth is ok, and crimp dies are cheap so try it.  I tried it with 22-250, 308, and 300 Win Mag.  They didn't shoot as good.  Can't tell you why it helped with the 223 in the AR, but it did.
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by on 01/16/2012 10:38 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
 
Plainsman Said:

I think your seating depth is ok, and crimp dies are cheap so try it.  I tried it with 22-250, 308, and 300 Win Mag.  They didn't shoot as good.  Can't tell you why it helped with the 223 in the AR, but it did.
SWAG, the crimp holds the bullet in just long enough for the case to expand and fill the chamber and the fact that the bolt floats means that the expansion prior to bullet release would result in the bullet being more or less centered in the bore prior to entering it.

Like I said 1st, SWAG.

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