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Buck tags or doe tags

I,m relativly new to the site maybe this has been covered before, but I'm wandering what peoples thoughts are on the lottery system. It works good in a lot of units where everyone is happy because they get a buck tag every year, but some units say 2f2 born and lived all my life it's getting down to about 40% chance at getting a buck tag that was 07 % probably lower in 08. Myself Haven't had a buck tag since 06. With so many doe tags avalable wouldn't it make sense to raise the buck tags to say $40 and lower the doe tags to $10 or $15 dollars. It would cut back on alot of the buck tags from people that don't care what they shoot but send in for a buck tag cause they can and then shoot the first 2x2 they see cause they want to be done the first day or two. Don't get me wrong I eat a lot of deer and get a lot of doe tags but there is people that only hunt for the meat why not try and persuade them to get 2 doe tags instead of one buck tag and help in slimming down the doe population, or maybe if get a buck tag have to get a doe tag just some thoughts would like to hear others opinions.

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we usually do not have this kind of post so early in the year. We are truely blessed in 2009!

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I agree with you 7mm, except I think the buck tag should cost $100 and the does should stay at $20.

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I just had my first buck tag last fall since 2004 and don't mind having to shoot does in between it let's the bucks grow larger. And I also was born and raised in that unit and yes it is tough to get a tag but think the game and fish are controling the deer just fine...

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Maybe this is what the G&F should think about for herd management also.

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I like the system and think it's really the fairest way there is. My only problem is that as buck tags get harder to draw, I see more and more people putting in for buck tags for their wives as well even though they don't hunt. They then treat this tag as "theirs". Even though they basically stole it from the rest of us. Maybe this is the year I'll get mad enough to call them in like a person really should. Afterall, it's poaching.

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yeup, good post 7mm , i hear it many times every year before and during hunting, why didnt you shoot that buck or why are you so darn picky, you cant eat the horns, Thats my favorite one, YOU CANT EAT the horns, usually the person/persons saying that fraze also have buck tags, if you cant eat the horns , GET A DOE, what we need is a point restriction possibly , or something , there is no need to shoot young bucks with all these doe tags, however most know how i feel about shooting alot of does too, but shooting a couple does instead of a buck will only do us good as hunters

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If you are a meat hunter, buck tags are more cost effective because of the typical size difference between male and female deer. I think the price should be adjusted accordingly. Maybe make doe tags 15 and buck tags 30. Does the G&F really need more money to spend sending out biased propaganda? That stunt really turned me off to giving them extra $. $100 for a buck tag sounds ridiculous to me, what would be the justification in that?

 

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First, I am tired of the argument, that meat hunters should not apply for buck tags. A 2x2 buck will give you more meat for your $20, than even a large doe. Second, I think the complainers would benefit from the advice my 3 year old son's, pre-school teacher gives out while she hands out things in class. "you get what you get and you don't fuss about it". Just enjoy the opportunity to get out there and experience our great outdoors.

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maybe we should raise the prices so only the rich people could afford a tag for does and bucks, and the heck with everyone else who loves to hunt. lol

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I think buck tags should remain at $20 but you must own at least 480 acres in the unit you apply in. That oughta cut down on the buck applications

 

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If you own 480 acres, then you'll get a free gratis tag anyway. I hope you were being sarcastic, cpete.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Yes gg, I was being sarcastic and upping the ante for all those that believe they should be $50 to $100.

 

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I think that buck tags should be at least $5000 that will keep it to only the true trophy hunters. The doe tags can then be given away and the Game & Fish still makes their money.

Here's to beating a dead horse. I think this horse has been dead so long the skeletal remains are even pretty much gone.

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I agree with fire. I think Tim needs a "dead horse" stamp. Then when these posts pop up he could put a little dead horse overlay over the topic warning us that it's just another dead horse... :)

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Buck tags should always cost more than doe tags. Paaaaiiiinfully obvious common sense. Painfully.

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2F2 is very tough, I've gone 3 straight years without a buck tag at times. That's when I picked up bow hunting though.


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I was told tag prices are legislated, G&F cannot change them, would have to be passed in legislature or directly by the Hoeven. Not sure how accurate that is but it could be....

 

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Earn a buck by shooting a doe is probably the best way to go.

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hey savage id bet you if you shot a 5x5 you would get more me off of it than your scawny 2x2. I would also bet if you went and shot a mature doe it would be just as big as your 2x2. By shooting a yearling or two year old deer your just ruining it for the rest of us to have a chance at a deer of a lifetime. Like a wise man once said if you shoot the little ones they wont get big.

All it would take is a little deer management and unselfishness by people and good ol nd could be growing some hogg deer.

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Hey King,define a deer of a lifetime??Does this mean you would stop hunting for a big one if you got this lifetime deer??What would you do with this deer of a lifetime??Maybe the rest of us aren't looking for a deer of a lifteime.

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well id say something over 170 is real big score wise but just having the chance at a mature deer everytime or every couple times you get a tag would be great. Im just sayin if people are shooting young deer then how many deer actually get to grow up and reach there full potential. And i dont know why someone would want to shoot a 2x2 when they can have a legitimate chance at a mature deer, its so much more self rewarding.

Also if they want a 2x2 over over a doe because there is possibly a bit more meat, well then you go get that rutted up stinky 2x2. congrats. I just see it as being selfish and doing more harm than good, but then again maybe im the one being selfish bcuz i want to shoot a big one. just my opinion i guess

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then why are you hunting if not for the deer of a lifetime, if its for meat, better get a doe then dont you think

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im not the one hunting for mainly meat otherwise i would just apply for doe tags. I try and get my buck tag then if i dont i do my part and take some does out of areas with high numbers of deer.

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Why not change the two types of tags to either "Any Deer" or "Antlerless Deer". That way the once-in-a-lifetime buck hunter can pop a doe for meat when their trigger finger gets itchy.

Anybody thought of that?? Its not like there will be an overharvest of does, since that has been the ongoing push to kill more does.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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nice nxs lol

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Yes, I'm pretty sure nxs summed it up the best.

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I try to shoot button bucks for my antlerless tags....they taste better than little does. 

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brian
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All of the deer in North Dakota died last week. I would suggest that either you hunt in another state. In addition to this the pheasants all died the week before.

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It appears that we still can't edit our mistakes.  I should learn to type.

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I tend to shoot button bucks to fill my antlerless tags.....they taste better than small does. 

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AH HA!!  Tis working for me now...............

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Nice change on the site!!!! But nothing new in regards to deer tags, must really be the off season. Tim if you have the sticky option make this the first so that we can avoid the starting of this dead horse issue over and over!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I like the lottery system, if we were to go to a pay to play system most hunters would NEVER get the chance to shoot that buck of a lifetime because they couldn't afford it. Besides, we all know what we get when we let the gov regulate things that individuals should be responsible for.

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i too am happy with the lottery system. if it were changed i would like to see only two tags issued period. and like it was stated earlier have one tag "any deer" and the other one "any atlerless deer". i believe that is the way it is in south dakota is it not? at least i know it used to be. that way if you want to shoot does for meat you can or you could hold out for a nice buck with the option of taking a doe if you're not fond of tag soup.

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I just think lowering the doe tags and raising the buck tags a little would help the herd. Obviously if you get 2 tags for the price of one you will get more meat off two does than one small buck. If people are happy and get the thrill of shooting a small buck thats fine, but if you are hunting for meat only and just out there to get done then get doe tags its a lot easier to shoot two does then even to shoot a small buck. I two am a bowhunter so does help alittle when don't get a buck tag but should be regulated so should get a tag at least every other year

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Is there any way to post links to the other 50 threads from years gone by that contain the exact same comments from the exact same people?

With all the snow this year and all of the tears cried by some folks over the price, availability, distribution, and number of buck tags year in and year out, some of my good waterfowl pot holes ought to be full by next year.

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how's about having resedents shoot only does and non-res. the big bucks?????

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Since it appears that too many people shoot the wrong thing during deer season, I think they should just shut it down all together. According to some of you yahoos it is run completely ass backwards and causes nothing but problems anyway. Just shut it down. You still won't get your buck tag you think you should be guaranteed every year but at least you won't be so upset about everyone else enjoying their hunt while you drown in self pity.

Naw, wait...if that happened I wonder who would be b!tching then about no season...oh, gee the same suckers that are crying right now, it would just be about something else. Some people will never be happy no matter what the circumstances. There's a handful of them right here. Fact of the matter is, you'll be dead before you know it so make the best of what you have and quit your damn crying.

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Crust look who is whining. YOU. Weird

I dont know if your talkin bout me whinin but im just sayin if people would wait an extra couple days or to the 2nd or third weekend they would be much happier with thier harvest and it would help the size of deer being harvested every year improve immensely over time. And if your someone who is wanting to go out one day and shoot a deer go get your doe tags and have fun. They are much easier to harvest in a one day hunt anyways and not a waste of the "precious" buck tags.

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king23, I wasn't refering to your posts.

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I think the supply and demand system,should come into play.All the lics. should be put up on sealed bids.You than bid what you think a lics. is worth.A muley buck in some areas may be value over $1000 and a white-tail doe,may not bring $5,in some areas.If you want a guarentee be willing to pay to play.CAPITALIZE RULES- democracy in action.

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BEER!

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I agree...BEER!

A much better way to waste my time!

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i am a SD resident it is not hard to get buck tags but it is hard to find big bucks. i wouldnt mind waiting a year or 2 to draw if it ment having a better chance at more mature buck. imo SD gives away to many tags. i am very impressed with the bucks posted in the fbo gallery. yes SD has some real good bucks but not an abundance of them. we all have our likes and dislikes about our hunting situations, i guess we should just be glad we have the chance.

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