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Black Russian Pheasant

I saw the picture of the black russian pheasant. It is true that is a female melanistic pheasant. We raise them and release them. Is that true that they do not count against your ringneck count since they are not considered a ringneck?

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Ford: would you have any adult roosters you would be willing to part with? I need one to mount.

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I have heard them called both Black Russian Pheasant and Black Melanistic Pheasant.

I called Randy Kriel; game biologist with NDG&F last year after I shot a black Russian rooster pheasant. He was unaware of the species of bird and told me if they are not on an extinction list and/or NDG&F has no season on them, it is kind of like gophers; year around, rooster or hen, as many as you want.

But these are supposedly a heartier bird and can with stand a harsher winter than the Chinese Ring Pheasant, personally I would like to see larger numbers of these and eventually have them have their own season and separate possession limits. It will take years and more people raising and releasing them. Both Black Russians I have shot, they have been between me and the sun, with their dark color I thought I was shooting a Chinese Ring Pheasant.

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yah we would have no problem with that but we need to wait a while longer feathers are not all grown in yet. Email me at frontdesk@doubleee.com

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yeah they are suppose to be heatier bird we have had some success with them but we release over 150 a year. it takes some time but it is fun to get something different going.

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melanistic mutant pheasant. Google it you will find a lot of info about them. We raised them in Minnesota and they flew harder and seemed a lot hardier then a ring neck.. But I don't understand why they are a a separate limit it should read pheasant..

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Hey MO! Did you know what it was when you pulled the trigger? To me,looks to much like a hen.Curious.

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tim,

I'm trying to answer, the inappropriate language block is stopping me. I think it's a little sensative. Nothing is vulger in my answer?

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Easy MO,just curious,heck could be about anything in my book,even a "high country Blue Grouse" found in colorado that got lost...lol

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The filter is screwing with me right now so I'm going to post this a little at a time to see where the problem is.
This is an excerpt from an internet site.

"This melanistic mutant is a pure breed. These large, beautiful pheasants feature an iridescent, greenish-black plumage.

The one in MossyMO's picture is a hen. The males are much brighter with the large red eye patch like a ringneck.

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Here's some more from the excerpt.

A favorite variety for release, they display a remarkable ability to survive and reproduce in the wild. Prime habitat consists of 55-70 % crop fields such as corn, soybean, or small grains.

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Here's the rest.

The remainder of the habitat should include some wetlands, gra$$land, and woodland or brushy thickets." from source.

I can't believe the word gra$$ gets filtered out. Weak!!

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Tim,

It is a hen.

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I saw a Ringneck Rooster in tall grass (right where this one was). I pulled up on him and it was still standing there. Yes, I groundballed it..... I know, let them flush!!! Anyways, the part I missed was while I pulled up, the Rooster ran left into some seeds. My sons got that one, the Ringneck in the photo.

I think that Rooster had been hitting on some dark meat!!!

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What ever happened the Schezwan Pheasant? I know there were some experimental raise and releases. What ever happened to that experiment? Could this be one of those?

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Dirty and others,

I am expierementing with the language filter because I'm being FORCED to!!!!!!!!!!!  There has been a lot of poor word choices in the last few weeks and I'm getting bombarded with emails about cleaning it up because their kid, etc has been reading it.  I think you people know who you are that use words flirting with undesirable.  If they don't get used, I don't have to mess with the filter.  For now, I disabled some of the words.  Please practice better judgement on wording and all can be avoided!

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Mossy Mossy Mossy...In the heat of the moment huh?Wonder how they get along with the ringnecks? wonder if they compete for food with the ringnecks?

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Ya, I know.........bad timing !!!

Watching them in pens together they seem to mingle natural, I haven't noticed any segregation.

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they actually cross breed, i shot a partial melanistic a couple of years ago but they do interact i am not sure about fighting over feed but as darwin says...survival of the fittest!!!! who know but the way it looks the ring necks have the rule of the roost so far.

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to answer some questions on these birds, we have raised them for almost ten years now. they do breed with the common pheasant and some of the offspring can be regular or malinistic mixed(we call them black mutants)it's kind of like labs. They are physically larger than a regular ringneck but seem quite weak in spirit compared to the regular. We learned this by watching them in the spring fighting, the mutants almost always seem to get their tails kicked. The hens have the same feather patterning as a regular but almost a mahogany to black color without the shimmer. As far as I know they do count towards your limit, same as an albino or a golden pheasant would so don't get caught with an extra or a hen. I'm surprised that whoever posted that pic hasn't had a warden knocking on their door yet. And if you ever get one, don't be hesitant on mounting it, like I said, we have raised them in large numbers for almost 10 years now and it is still not super common to shoot one in our release area.

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Oh, and they get along great! except spring


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pigsticker

It is me who shot the hen. Like I said in an earlier post, last year I spoke with Randy Kreil, a biologist with the NDG&F. He told me they are not part of the season and can be taken year round, hen or rooster.

I did not want to shoot the hen, that was unintentional. If a warden would like to talk to me on this subject, I'm usually up for a discussion.

Those thought did occur to me before posting the pic, but figured the conversation I had last year should cover me......

Marty Owens

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Having raised these for almost 10 years I'm assuming you know the bird well. The Ringneck being originally from China. Where is this birds orgin from? Also, am I assuming right that their real name is Malinistic Pheasant and what I have been calling them; Black Russian Pheasant is just a slang term they have picked up in the States?

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I was wondering what area you are in closes town if you don't mind because I have noticed a few of these birds around and want to leave them alone. And if you are close I would like to see your operation so I can get some pointers on raising some birds in my area. Thanks for your help have a great day

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MossyMO,

Check this site out http://www.shaywood.com/pheasants/pheasants.htm

It lists all pheasant species but the mutant melanistic is not one of them. Since they are called MUTANAT melanistic, I'm pretty sure it means they were a few odd looking dark colored ringneck pheasants were bred with each other generation after generation to isolate this color pattern, sort of like the white pheasants that are fairly common in SD and occasionally in ND. There are mutant melanistic whitetails too, which simply have an excess of melanin and appear very dark, almost black, because of it.

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I raised all kinds of ornamental pheasants for fun for years and knew a lot of other people doing the same. I hate to say it, but the "melanistic" pheasant is a pen raised genetically weak ringneck resulting from inbreeding, exactly like the "white whitetail" that was discussed on another thread. I was surprised to hear from other posts how hardy they are, etc. but there are always some that raise their ugly head in pen raised populations, and in my experience, have always been considered "interesting" to put some out for a "bonus bird" on some shooting farms, but don't last long in the wild. Nor do many pen raised birds for all that matter. They are definitely not a seperate subspiecies, but a genetic color variant from inbreeding.
Sure could be that people are now selectively breeding them for sale, etc. but I would look at claims of "hardiness" etc. with a bit of a jaundiced eye. Someone will yell at me for saying that, but that's how it is in my experience.

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I remember reading a while ago how Michagan was just booming with these black pheasants and wonderful they are and hardy and things of that nature. We did raise them in Minnesota with succsess they seemed to hold up well. So I am not trying to call you a fibber I am just stating what I have read and experinced. So did you get your elk back yet??

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Pigsticker and bobkat are right. They are genetically and physically inferior to ringnecks. Caused by inbreeding. We also have raised pheasants for some years now, and the "mutants" rarely live to adulthood. We usually ended up with a dozen or so of them in a batch of several thousand, and maybe one or two would reach 3-4 weeks of age, rarely making adulthood. The same goes for the dunn colored pheasants as well. They arent as aggressive as ringnecks, always getting tail feathers pulled, and pecked on the back and head to the point of a bloody mess. I also highly doubt they are more hardy than ringnecks, from my experiences with them. It always pissed me off that we could rarely get them to mature, they are a very unique specimen, and the roosters are quit beautiful when mature.

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Do you think it's possible they are "hardier", however their lack of appropriate camoflage might result in a high mortality rate as I would think a hawk could pick one of those dark birds out in a CRP field pretty easily.

Just a thought.

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Yeah, when I raised them you pretty well had to separate them from regular ringnecks or they would die off. But when you got them to adulthood the guys with the shooting preserve placers always wanted them, I guess to offer their clients an "exotic" pheasant. They always wanted Lady Amhersts and Goldens for the same reason. They said they had to put them all out pretty close ahead of the guns or they wouldn't get many back. I suppose melanistics, like white deer occasionally pop up in the wild, but most don't make it very far.
I saw a couple while elk hunting a couple of weeks ago and thought to myself "I'll bet someone is releasing pen raised pheasants around here!" Sure enough, I found out a guy was releasing pheasants there a couple of days later.

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Well I am just curious where one found this bird in ND. Looks to be Pat is the only one raising them around here. Didn't you say some people were hunting on your land without permission. Hmm, if its posted I am just curious. Most Farmers will let you hunt if you ask politely and thank them when your done. Some are just happy to get visitors. And hey maybe even try to involve the farmer in the hunt also, who better to know the land, and who likes to hunt alone?

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pigsticker,

I wonder what was going to take you so long to respond!  I mentioned you to MossyMo in an email...chit chattin about the "russian" bird an all.  You working this weekend?  I'm unable to head on down to James' bro's wedding so I'll probably be around.

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The melanistic birds crop up whenever you have pen raised birds several generations long. The ones I saw were up by Watford City and when I saw them I knew someone must be releasing pen raised birds around there somewhere, as you almost never see them in the wild otherwise, probably because they are genetically weaker than the normal ringneck and die out fairly fast. If they weren't, there would be lots of them around, and if hardier than the ringnecks they could ultimately replace the wild ringneck stocks. They might survive OK in the wilds some places, but ND takes care of them pretty quick. They are a neat looking bird, though, and in the past I tied up several flies and variations of flies with their darker feathers.

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I saw a cross between a black russian and a ringneck yesterday. Really neat looking Rooster, breast was all black but still had most of the ringneck coloring. I also have a Black Russian rooster thats been on my land for about three years now, really pretty bird.

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I was wondering what area you are in closes town if you don't mind because I have noticed a few of these birds around and want to leave them alone. And if you are close I would like to see your operation so I can get some pointers on raising some birds in my area. Thanks for your help have a great day

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I live west of minot, my neighbors and i have both released pheasants in the area, but there still isnt many, i dont hunt them at all, and the population is growing some. I just hope others driving by dont shoot them. I cant say we had much of a program, there is just very good habitat for them there and little or no pressure, along with mild winters the last few yrs.

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oops thought you were talking to me sotaman

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cjames

Since you are close to Minot let me know if you ever need any help with raising pheasants and I would be happy to help with anything.

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