Black as a color in German Shorthaired Pointers

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Black as a color in German Shorthaired Pointers

I see a lot of people selling black as a combo with ticked and
white and wanting good money i personally did not think black was an accepted color but a fault don't get me wrong a perfect gun dog is my goal am not into show but if my dogs threw any black i would never use them for breeding and you'd never see a pup I'm sure all u people with any black color in your shorthairs may hate on this post but be real your english pointer/shorthairs are not pure. It is what it is not everyone should breed

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racist he he -

Stay thirsty my friends

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This is taken off the AKC website on German Shorthairs--Hope it helps. Here is the link also--http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shorthaired_pointer/

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The coat may be of solid liver or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified.

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barnesdog
You are right in that the color black is a fault and disqualifing color if you are showing the dog. The same is true with the GWP. But!!!! if you research the background of the GSP or GWP which orginated in the European versitale breeds you will see that black in these dogs is an acceptable color. When AKC decided to accept these breeds into their club they elected not to have any black in their standards. There is currently a push within AKC to change this standard. Here is a clip from a German site for the Deutsch Kurzhaar (DK) German Shorthair Pointer.
The DK is athletic in appearance, symmetrical and well proportioned. It projects the appearance of controlled agility and power. The DKs endurance in the field is reflected in form by its deep chest, short angled top line and muscular build. The DKs head is conspicuously noble in appearance yet gender is easily discernable. The eyes are brown and dark, set in a stop-less forehead. The coat is short and thick and its texture feels slightly coarse to the hand.

Colors consist of combinations of brown, black and white. They include solid brown (braun), solid black (schwarz), varying roan and ticked combinations including liver ticked (braunshimmel) or black ticked (schwarzshimmel).

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I think the black and white would look interesting. Anyone have a link to some pics. If anyone is looking for a good hunting partner, I have 2 males that are liver and white ticked for sale. 10 weeks old $250 527-0980

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papabear thank you for the enlightenment i get hard core about my dogs i just love shorthairs and all truly good hunting dogs and harbor bitterness towards people that breed whom have diluted the goldens, cockers , labs , irish setters and also GSP's and so many other hunting dogs It took me a couple of years to select a female for Krieg Fuhren An Der Fasan (to wage a war on the pheasant)
and think I have the perfect combo time will tell If the AKC ok's black or I move to Germany i rescind my statement

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Here is a kennel north of Minot that has black Deutsch Kurzhaar (DK) German Shorthair Pointer.

http://www.vomgansehimmel.com/about.htm

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OK, I just gotta ask. If you are not raising the dog for breeding purposes and if you are not going to show the dog (just a hunting dog and nothing else), what difference would it make what color it was? Maybe I am missing something here, but I have heard numerous people on several threads over the years talk about how they despise people breeding dogs that are not true purebreds. A nephew of mine has a mixed breed hunting dog. It is so mixed that you would be hard pressed to call it anything really other than a Mutt - or pehaps one heck of a hunting dog. This dog hunts circles around most of the other dogs we have hunted with. Works great with upland, has no problem jumping in freezing cold water, and will take on a wounded honker like nobody's business. Everyone loves to hunt behind this dog but after the hunt, they still treat the dog and the owner like they have the plague or something because his is not a registered dog. Am I missing something or are we getting away from what the real purpose of a "hunting dog" is all about?

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The black color is a throw back to an outcross to the European Black Pointer. The founders of the breed conducted this outcross with hope of darkening the eye and the nose of the GSP. Back in the late 1800's -- early 1900's when this outcross occured; the field testing results of these "black" outcross gsp's did not show the results that the founders of the breed had hoped for -- so the outcrossing was stopped. From the info I have, it is said that the Italians found the black GSP to be rather pleasing to the eye. So I suppose you could say the Italians kept the color viable within the breed.

Today however, the black color is making a comeback. The dogs are testing on par with their liver/white cousins. as far as the AKC is concerned it has been my understanding for some time now that a black GSP can compete for points in field trials/tests; however the show folks are still not viewing the black GSP as being an acceptable dog in the show ring. Their loss IMHO.

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The kennels I have looked at come right out and say that the DK cannot be AKC registered.Once the dog performs according to the rigors of the German club they can be registered there.So do Field trials allow non AKC registered GSP to compete?

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thanks for the info Gunnar if a man closes his mind and assumes to know it all he has come to a point of no longer being able to learn and I shall die knowing i didn't know everything but never quit searching for wisdom and to you Sportsman your point is legitimate before I switched to GSP's I was blessed with my first hunting dog as a boy my dad got him from an adoption center at 6 months old a Chesapeake/Chocolate lab cross and I would not trade those 13 years for anything he was a four wheel drive stud but the style of hunting I do know suits the versatility of a shorthair and I agree with you alot of people buy bloodlines and ruin their dogs with their training and handling (or lack there of)

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