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Best out of box?

I am looking for a new toy. Looking for a long range shooter, probably in 7mm Rem Mag. What is the best out of box gun for accuracy, without going custom. I have read about the Rem Sendaro and the Savage Models. Also heard about the TC Venture being a great shooter. Really like the looks of the Kimber Super America but have heard mixed reviews of the accuracy. Anyone have experience with the Kimber. Also like the Winchester Super Grades. Would like a gun that could be a family heirloom and also shoot great. Am I asking too much? I know a Savage is nothing to look at. Would like to keep it below $2k.Not sure if you can get a good custom for that.

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I have a rem mod 700 BDL in 7 mm Rem mag that is as accurate as I need it to be.  Without a vise I regularly shoot sub 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds.

I would imagine with a better rest than a cooler covered by a jacket that I could squeeze a bit more out of it.

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If ur interested Larry in cando at 968-3187 has an .257 weatherby custom for sale,I think for 1100.

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Sako 85...I had a 75 greywolf that was an outstanding shooter. .300 wsm. I think I paid around 1300 for it with a zeiss conquest 4.5x14...just under $2000

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Bar none cheapest and best for money is the Sendaro. Savage Palma is close to 2K and the rest of bunch shoot maybe 1" to 1.5 " groups. IF it don't shoot "1/2 forget it, out to 1000yds is when the  fun begins for killing and or competition, good luck

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Tikka t3, awesome gun. got one in the 7mag love it.

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If I were looking for a long range toy with a 2k budget, I would look at either the Savage 10fcp Mcmillian or HS precision. Get good with the 308 and eventually upgrade to a hotter caliber if you want. Its easy to swap barrels on the savages, just need a few tools and it takes maybe 15 minutes to do it yourself. I would consider the 7 WSM or SAUM for a long range animal killer. Of course there are as many opinions are members on this site...

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Hard to beat an Sendero for the money. You'd be surprised thou what you can have custom built for that kind of money!
And you have one of the best long range rifle builders in the country right here in ND!
His name is
Nathan Dagley
http://www.straightshotgunsmithing.com/

 

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I'm with allen on this one.... 700 Remington BDL.... have a 7mm Mag... and 7mm Ultra... both are great accurate guns.... and you will be about 1300 under your budget

 

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The TC venture is the worst balanced gun I've picked up in a long time. Very front heavy. .

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Best out of the box --- Cold Beer Can -- preferably bud light

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Mark V weatherby.  I got one in a .257 magnum.  you'll be making 400 yard shots all the time with this rifle.  My dad has the Mark V in a .270 and he uses it for elk and bear all the time. 

Good luck!

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5575 Said:
Hard to beat an Sendero for the money. You'd be surprised thou what you can have custom built for that kind of money!
And you have one of the best long range rifle builders in the country right here in ND!
His name is
Nathan Dagley
http://www.straightshotgunsmithing.com/

I cant say personally but i have heard nothing but great things about him.  Might just have to get some thing built in the future.

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I can vouch for Nathan's work.  Never had one that didn't shoot under a 1/2moa.  Full custom or a factory he worked over.  I would give Nate a call, he will steer you in the right direction.  

What is your definition of long range?  400? 800?

Me personally I would go after something with good barrel life for my first long range rig.  Cheap to shoot, little recoil so you can spot you hits without to much trouble.  A 6mm can be used quite effectively to harvest deer at longer ranges.  But you will have to have it built. 

Go to Nate's website and watch his long range videos.  Longrangehunting.com is another real good source of information.  Alot of knowledge and helpful people on that site.  Pm me if you have any questions or would like to try one of Nate's rifles out.

Brent

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what do you consider "long range"

a rem 700 sps tactical chambered in 308 will get you to a grand easy.

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Long range for me would be 800+ on a custom or reworked. If I was going with a fancy out of box like the Win. Super Grade or the like, I would be happy with just < 1moa at 100. But this type of gun would be more eye candy too.

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Things you are going to want to look for in your rifle.  Fast twist barrel to stabilize heavier bullets.  Adjustable cheek piece, longer barrel to get more velocity.  Good quality trigger, it is pretty easy with a heavier trigger pull to pull off of target.  I use Jewell with a 1lb trigger pull on my hunting and 8oz on my competing rifles.

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One of my long range hunting rigs.

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labz4me Said:
Long range for me would be 800+ on a custom or reworked. If I was going with a fancy out of box like the Win. Super Grade or the like, I would be happy with just < 1moa at 100. But this type of gun would be more eye candy too.

You gonna handload for whatever you buy?

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little better

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 Best out of box gun would be a Cooper.  You'll pay between 1200and 1600, but there in't a hole lot more you could do to the gun.  They make 7 guns a day and about 3-4 people touch thee guns before they enter a box on there way to a store.  

They come standard blue printed and pillar bedded.  Wilson barrels, and other features I forget at the moment.  If you want the most accurate "Out of the box"  gun, that has all the custom work already done for under 2k, I say get a Cooper.

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Do they make a repeater yet or are they all still single shots?

gillgetter. Said:
 Best out of box gun would be a Cooper.  You'll pay between 1200and 1600, but there in't a hole lot more you could do to the gun.  They make 7 guns a day and about 3-4 people touch thee guns before they enter a box on there way to a store.  

They come standard blue printed and pillar bedded.  Wilson barrels, and other features I forget at the moment.  If you want the most accurate "Out of the box"  gun, that has all the custom work already done for under 2k, I say get a Cooper.

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Forget it...I found out for myself.

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gillgetter. Said:
 Best out of box gun would be a Cooper.  You'll pay between 1200and 1600, but there in't a hole lot more you could do to the gun.  They make 7 guns a day and about 3-4 people touch thee guns before they enter a box on there way to a store.  

They come standard blue printed and pillar bedded.  Wilson barrels, and other features I forget at the moment.  If you want the most accurate "Out of the box"  gun, that has all the custom work already done for under 2k, I say get a Cooper.

Pretty hard to argue against Cooper for a turn-key shooter.  Awful good selection of calibers and configurations as well.

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Coopers are nice, how are they as far as aftermarket accessories go? Nice to know the accuracy is there when you buy one, most guns out of the box, its a crapshoot.

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Those Coopers sure are purdy. What one do you guys drool over? I'm thinking the Varmint Extreme in 308 or 7-08. Or if I win the lottery the Custom Classic in a Magnum. Gotta like the looks of the guns and the guaranteed accuracy. I thought they just made customs.

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The wood stocks are beautiful, but I know I would be hesitant to use it because of that fact. I would pick a synthetic stock just for that reason.

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Custom rifle:

match barrel $300 most barrel blanks are around $300 without flutes.

Chamber thread and crown  $210

Square and blueprint a action $250 this doesn't have to be done on the savage actions.  The freefloated bolt squares up to the barrel because of the design.

Pillar and bed a stock $200

good trigger $100-240 depending on what you want

Stock  Bell and Carlson medalist make some nice inexpensive stocks for about $250 and all you have to do is skim bed them for $60 instead of pillaring.

Karsten cheek piece for proper cheek weld $75

Donor action   $450-550
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First custom I had built

Brent
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I'm sure coopers are awesome guns but I don't  think you need to spend that much.  I bought a Savage model 10 predator in .243 and absolutely love it.  The furthest I've been able to shoot it is at 600, my group at that distance was 4 3/8".  That was shooting prone with a bi-pod.  They also offer that same rifle in .260, 6.5 creedmoor and a few other smaller calibers.  The savage long range hunter would also be a good one to look into.  Neither one of these rifles will cost as much as the cooper which will leave you with more money in the end for a good scope, which IMO is just as important as the rifle its self.

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blipelt Said:
I can vouch for Nathan's work.  Never had one that didn't shoot under a 1/2moa.  Full custom or a factory he worked over.  I would give Nate a call, he will steer you in the right direction.  

What is your definition of long range?  400? 800?

Me personally I would go after something with good barrel life for my first long range rig.  Cheap to shoot, little recoil so you can spot you hits without to much trouble.  A 6mm can be used quite effectively to harvest deer at longer ranges.  But you will have to have it built. 

Go to Nate's website and watch his long range videos.  Longrangehunting.com is another real good source of information.  Alot of knowledge and helpful people on that site.  Pm me if you have any questions or would like to try one of Nate's rifles out.

Brent

+ 1 on Nate's work.

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coyotebuster Said:
I'm sure coopers are awesome guns but I don't  think you need to spend that much.  I bought a Savage model 10 predator in .243 and absolutely love it.  The furthest I've been able to shoot it is at 600, my group at that distance was 4 3/8".  That was shooting prone with a bi-pod.  They also offer that same rifle in .260, 6.5 creedmoor and a few other smaller calibers.  The savage long range hunter would also be a good one to look into.  Neither one of these rifles will cost as much as the cooper which will leave you with more money in the end for a good scope, which IMO is just as important as the rifle its self.

"Savage 10" and "Heirloom" don't exactly go together like "Cooper" and "Heirloom" do.

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it also doesn't have to be a  $1k gun with a pretty wood stock IMO.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Does the guy want a gun that will make him cry when he sees a scratch in it?

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I've used this in the ruffed grouse woods, the early season goose blind, on dove/sharptail/pheasent hunts on the prairie and in the Mesquite tangles of S Texas, sans tear:

Now I know that's a shotgun but it's an awful nice stick attached to it.  Honest dents, dings, and hunting scratches just add "Character".

I'd fret a deep scratch in a leather boot before I'd fret any scratch in Walnut.

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