Best AR15/10 Platform under $1500

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Best AR15/10 Platform under $1500

Am now looking for the best AR platform in .308cal for the money. Want to put a scope on it and min. 20" barrel for max. range and accuracy. What should I look at and where. I am in Sioux falls, sd., but this site gets far more responses the sdo does.

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Scheels or Gary's, either will treat you right. At Scheels you'll get a DPMS or Remington, at Gary's likely a Rock River. You won't be dissappointed by any of them. Pricing on AR's is pretty much the same everywhere.

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What would be the best cal.? I am looking for as much versatility as possible, and thought also having it chambered in a NATO round would be best if things ever did "go bad" here in the US. I would probably use it occasionally to hunt with (probably deer) so I want something with more punch than the .223.

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I've got a DPMS in 308 and I'm probably going to end up selling it because it's just not as fun to shoot as a 223 AR. The accuracy and function is acceptable but it's heavy and recoils just enough that it's just plain not as much fun.

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I wouldn't go with anything but 223 in an AR platform.

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Is it true that almost all the components for the AR's come from the same factory with different stamps on them? Does DPMS have anything on Rock River or vice versa? I'm in the market.

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Horsager, How much you want for the dpms and what configuration is it? I was planning on buying one in the next couple months. My e-mail is ndhunterman@hotmail.com

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find someone with an ffl and order it through them, you will save a bunch of money, scheels it outrageously over priced on their AR's. i could build a match gun cheaper then they sell a base model for.


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I stopped by my gunsmith's shop today inquiring about ordering AR's. We looked it up (DPMS) and I'd save less than $50 buying one through him by the time I paid shipping and a modest transfer fee.

Buying parts and building is cheaper because the excise tax on a fully assembled rifle is never paid.

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Horsager what do ya reccomend for barrell legnth been looking that the DPMS with the stainless 20

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20" will get you nearly everything the 223 case has to give, especially with normal bullet weights, say 55gn and less. If one was to feed their AR a steady diet of 75gn bullets, you may see a slight benefit from a 24". The 24" bbl'd AR is ungainly though.

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With all the different cal. you can get, I am also considering a .243win because it covers such a wide range from p-dogs to deer. Am definitely gonna get one with the tax return, so have time to do research. Saw 2 in .260, but don't know anything about that round yet. Kinda hard to wander too far from the nato round though because they have been tried and proven.

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When looking at my Barnes manual I saw they make a 70gr tsx bullet for the .223 (seems like a good choice for deer), but reccomend a 1:8 twist rate to stabilize it for better accuracy. My question is what will that twist rate do to the lighter bullets for accuracy? If the accuracy will still be good, then .223 would be my obvious choice. Any info would be appreciated.

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mmmm, tax returns and AR's, not something I am planning on getting accustomed to as the future draws near.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

As far as nxs' comment, I wholeheartedly agree. The AR platform was built specifically for the 5.56 NATO round. If I were to have a tax return of adequate girth that I could talk my loving wife out of, I too would buy an AR in 5.56/223.

It's a pleasure to shoot. The AR is just not intended to shoot that round.

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p.s. Barnes' manual #4 says you need faster than 1 in 9" for their 62, and 1 in 12" for their 53, and 45 grain selections. Remember that the lower the back number, the higher the rate of spin imparted on the round, note the trend.

I can't imagine that a 1 in 8" twist wouldn't be good for their lightest 36 grain offering.

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Pretty hard to "overspin" a bullet. My 223AI will be a 1:8 Lilja and I expect it to shoot 50 V-max's and 75gn A-max's. If I were to shoot a TSX in a 223 it'd be the 53gn, no matter what twist I had. Warp speed copper is a freakin' hammer!

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I didn't think 1:8 would be bad, but always a good idea to ask to be sure. I did look at the 53gr. flat base, but in my manual (I have #3, haven't got #4 yet) it shows the energy dropping off awful fast. I prefer to have 1000lbs of energy on big game, and the 70gr carried that out to 200yds. That pretty much narrows it down to the Rock River for .223, or DPMS in .243 so far. Didn't like the weight of the .308 so much! 11+ pounds is a bit much to me!

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243 will weigh the same as the 308, they're essentially the same gun with a different size hole in the bbl. In fact do to the smaller hole, the 243 might weigh just a bit more than the 308.

Given proper shot placement, 1k ft/lb energy is twice what a guy needs. Given poor shot placement 10K ft/lb energy doesn't solve the problem.

Saw a buck take two hits today a bit far back. One bullet passed through, the 2nd stopped against the far hide. Saw the same buck take a properly placed shot and end his full-tilt run like he'd hit the end of a well anchored log chain. Placement, placement, placement.

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