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by , Posted to on 03/05/2009 09:27 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/28/2005
Location: ND
Looks to me like it's more than medical expenses driving to cost of insurance up.


BISMARCK ? A weeklong Caribbean retreat for Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota employees and their guests won?t fly with policyholders in a time of economic struggles, North Dakota?s insurance commissioner says.

?I don?t think this is going to sit well with policyholders, especially in this economic climate that we?re all in, where folks are struggling,? Commissioner Adam Hamm said Wednesday. ?For Blue Cross Blue Shield to pay for a trip to the Cayman Islands on the policyholders? dime ? I don?t think it will sit well, and rightly so.?

Blues spokeswoman Denise Kolpack said 33 employees and their guests, along with North Dakota Blues President Mike Unhjem and marketing vice president Chad Niles, took part in the trip. She said it began Monday and ends Friday.

Kolpack said the annual retreat is meant to reward the insurers? top sales representatives.

?It?s really an award for achieving their sales goals,? Kolpack said. ?It?s considered part of their salary, and they pay taxes on it.?

Kolpack estimated the trip cost the Blues more than $250,000, or about $6,500 per couple. She said employees were allowed to bring one guest. Unhjem went alone, she said.

Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota is the state?s dominant insurer. Hamm and the Blues have been at odds over premium rate increases since last year, when Hamm denied them.

The insurer has said it lost $6.7 million ? or about $950,000 a month ? in premium revenue since August in its bank depositor group, which represents individuals, because rate increases were not approved by Hamm. Unhjem said the higher rates are needed to cover the costs.

While the insurer has struggled to cover the cost of claims, records show Unhjem?s total compensation has increased 61 percent, from $412,371 in 2006 to $664,431 last year. Unhjem?s bonus, which is included in the compensation package, tripled in three years, from $90,245 in 2006 to $285,909 in 2008.

An audit of the Blues in the early 1990s questioned travel expenses for its top executives and board members. The audit found Unhjem charged the company for an $800 helicopter ride in Hawaii and $280 for one day?s taxi fares in New York City in June 1992. He eventually reimbursed the company for both bills.

Former insurance commissioner Glenn Pomeroy said then that the audit revealed a ?country club mentality? among Blue Cross executives.

Hamm, who has been North Dakota?s insurance commissioner since October 2007, said he was unaware until recently of the insurer?s annual retreats. He said no such thing happens at his agency.

?The most that we do is to have a barbecue at someone?s home,? Hamm said.
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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 11:11 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/06/2007
Location: SD
We REALLY need to have some open water soon...

Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 12:05 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
I agree with sdwxman, I am in desperate need of open water!

I suppose I could always buy my insurance through a different company. Then again, I would probably find that the next company wastes MY money on funny little hats at the office New Year's party and I would have to then find another insurance company.

Who knows, eventually I might find a company so cheap that they don't even pay the employees enough to be pleasant to the customer and have a single 1975 Ford Pinto for a company car.
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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 12:29 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/13/2003
Location: ND
I sure wish my company paid for my vacations. I guess I'll have to bring that up with my boss. LOL!
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 12:56 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/19/2005
Location: ND
People seem to keep forgetting. The cream rises to the top. Quit being jealous and work smarter.
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 1:56 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
BC/BS just raised my premiums AGAIN this year, and didn't I just see they got another 14% premium increase during the past week or so?
I'm all for rewarding hard working agents or anyone else that works hard. There should be more of that, IMO! But the Cayman Islands?? I've been there, done that, and even many years ago it is the ABSOLUTELY MOST EXPENSIVE place to go in the entire Caribbean! Bar NONE!
Personally I'm starting to look for a different insurance company!
Next they'll want some bailout money to 'stimulate' the economy down there!
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 2:06 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/28/2005
Location: ND
This is what really gets me. He may be good and I am jealous, but 61 percent in a couple of years?

While the insurer has struggled to cover the cost of claims, records show Unhjem
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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 2:38 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND
yeah... raising premiums to cover losses of a million dollars a month coupled with huge raises during the same time period for the executives is not going to sit well with anyone. my math tells me they could've reduce losses by about 10% a year by the simple act of not rewarding the folks in charge of said losses. you only see this kind of stuff happening in shareholder/publicly owned companies. never in a million years would you see joe blow who owns joe blows construction company give his salesmen raises if he was losing money. in fact, you would see layoffs and pay cuts. tis truly amazing.
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by on 03/05/2009 3:01 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/19/2005
Location: ND
That's the great thing about America (at least for now). You have a choice. If you don't like it, move your business to another carrier. It's really that simple. Two of the biggest issues regarding premiums is that everyone wants the latest and greatest; and less and less people have insurance. As less have insurance, the hospitals and clinics end up writing off a lot of that and those that still do pay have to absorb those losses. When one looks at Unhjem's pay, it's really not that high when compared to many others who's organizations control as much has they do.
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 3:17 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2009
Location: ND
I may not know a lot about insurance but i know one thing, BC/BS is still one of the cheapest insurances i've found. I mean really, some people just like to complain. Beleive me, it's like Geico car insurance telling you that you can save all this money, and in the end your paying more just to have that stupid lizzard as your team mascot.. Come on people GET SMARTER!!!!
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 3:34 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND
believe me, myself and the rest of us complainers know how the free market works and we know we can take our business elsewhere...as long as we don't work for an employer. then, it would be up to them to take the business elsewhere.

however, with insurance companies, things work a little different. the main difference is that insurance companies are subject to the authority of the insurance commissioner. i believe all premium rate increases (at least for groups anyways) have to be requested and approved by the insurance commissioner. who, i think, is elected by the people of ND. asking for approval to increase premiums because you are losing money, while at the same time, giving urself gigantic raises and taking 3/4 million dollar trips to the caymans, isn't going to help your chances at getting the premium increases approved. and if they are approved, it isn't going to help the insurance commissioner in his bid for re-election.

for most of us, whose employers foot the bill, the increase doesn't hurt us, it hurts the employers. who, i am sure, don't like the idea that these types of companies seem to be able to operate under a different type of "free market" than the rest of us.
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 3:37 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
take the raises and the trip to the caymans out of the equation and the losses are decreased by close to 20% a year if you account for interest on that money. not smart. especially when you require public approval (insurance commissioner) for an increase to cover the losses.
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 5:07 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/28/2005
Location: ND
espringers is correct in my case. It's a group policy through my employer. When I was hired, 100 percent was paid by my employer. In the last five or six years, premium hikes come in every year about the same time. At 15-18 percent a year,after a couple of years my company decided to have us pay 50 percent of every increase. It's just getting old. Every spring they (BCBS)cut benefits and in the fall raise premiums. I just can understand how they can raise wages and bonuses when they're supposed to be losing money. I remember the last time the insurance commish spanked them. They ended up paying us back for six months worth of premium hikes. It ended up because the raised premiums even though they were in the black as per their company regulations. When this guy was promoted to this position was the company that bad off to pay his starting wage as compared to what it is currently? Looks like now they're going to get investigated by the commish again.
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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 5:35 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2004
Location: ND
BC/BS is actually one of the most expensive insurance policies on the market ranging from Individual, group, Medicare supplements and Prescription Drug plans. Had enough paying through the nose for BC? Let me know, happy to give ya a free quote.
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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 7:28 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/23/2004
Location: ND
CEO Unhjem was just on the 6:00 news trying to justify this trip.As far as I'm concerned,any company that lost $6.7 million,should be handing out PINK SLIPS to their ceo and elete sale staff,not takeing them on a $600,000 trip.They all failed in my opinion.No wonder the economy is in the shape it is in with Fools like this in control.
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by on 03/05/2009 8:31 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/15/2006
Location: ND
NDFishhawg,
The thing you maybe haven't considered is some people DON'T have a good choice. Take teachers for example. Their insurance is through the school with BCBS. They are required to either have BCBS or self-insure, and the school doesn't give them a penny to self-insure. So yes, there is a choice, but not a good one.
Regardless, this vacation is absolutely insane. I don't care if people go to the islands and sit on a beach - that is what we all have paychecks for. If you want a vacation, you save up and go. You don't use company money.

Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 9:36 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/06/2006
Location: SD
Who cares what these companies spend. We all know that the money comes from the consumer, and our pockets are endless Right?
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/05/2009 11:49 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/14/2002
Location: ND
Fug those greedy bastards, I have nothing but respect for Adam Ham because he is the only Commissioner of insurance that has figured out what A failed Norwest Bank President is all about, I have worked insurance for the last 27 years successfully but no one has offered to pack white sand up my arss for being successful. I have had my hand shook and been thanked several times but that is it. I DON NOT WORK FOR A BCBS BUT EVERYTHING I DO IS BASED ON POLICY HOLDER PREMIUMS. SHAME ON ALL OF THOSE S.O.B'S
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by on 03/06/2009 07:29 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Ed Schultz has been all over this topic and going after BSBS for some answers on his radio show. He hasn't gotten anywhere with BCBS but it has been very entertaining, just for entertainment value it is worth a listen.

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Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/06/2009 08:36 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
I'm sure I read somewhere that BCBS insures 90% of all insured people in ND.  I have no doubt that is possible.  If that is true, that is a total recipe for disaster.  That shouldn't even be allowed to happen.  If they go under, it would get ugly fast. 
Re: BCBS of ND
by on 03/06/2009 08:58 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2009
Location: ND
Just like the rest of the country paying 150,000$ for a house that's only worth 80,000$ What's new. But behind the picture is the doctors decided to charge me 150$ for a strep throat test and pharmacists that also charged me 85$ for an antibiotic----that's after my insurance coverage, and i have one of the best coverages a man can get. I checked the actual price, the total for the strep test was 650$ and the antibiotic was 195$ I think we're going after the wrong people!
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