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I just made a second live well for my boat out of a cooler that would work for you garbage can also. Send me a pm with your cell and ill send you some picts

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I made my tank! The only issue is that i am worried about the water. I am not using a filter so i will just drain it when needed. My question is what happens if the water I use kills the minnows. Is there an easy fix? remember i do not have a filter running

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 My question is what happens if the water I use kills the minnows. Is there an easy fix?
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liveinavandownbytheriver Said:
I made my tank! The only issue is that i am worried about the water. I am not using a filter so i will just drain it when needed. My question is what happens if the water I use kills the minnows. Is there an easy fix? remember i do not have a filter running

Buy a big jug of chlorine/chloramine/etc. neutralizer from pet store, walmart, etc. Pay attention to the label! Some are very concentrated so it's like 1 drop per gallon (great) while others are like 1 teaspoon per gallon (RIP-OFF!).

It used to be (10-20 years ago) that letting your water sit for 24 hours let all the chlorine out - but things have changed if you're using certain city's water because many cities now use chloramines (I think that's what they are, I forget) and they are way more stubborn and stay toxic much longer than old school chlorine (which is why they use them). It also doesn't smell like a swimming pool coming out of the tap.

Make sure waters are close to same temp although minnnows are darn tough in this regard compared to tropicals.

If you're not running a filter you need either a bubbler of some sort or a fan blowing across the surface to create waves/ripples. A fan is actually very effective if you don't have a bubbler (aerator) . Down side is that you'll have a lot of evaporation!

And finally - throw a couple test minnows in the replacement water before you do the replacement for all the minnows... they'll tell you if water is OK to swap (canaries in the coal mine).

 

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How deep is your tank, its not tough to make a filter or you could buy one. Where is it located? How many gallons and how many minnows you keeping?

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liveinavandownbytheriver Said:
I made my tank! The only issue is that i am worried about the water. I am not using a filter so i will just drain it when needed. My question is what happens if the water I use kills the minnows. Is there an easy fix? remember i do not have a filter running

 Do yourself a big favor and purge out the minnows for a week in a tub before you put them in your  tank.   If you plan on keeping a lot of minnows get a pump, If the minnows swim to the top of the water and gulp for air the oxygen is low.    Make sure you take out any minnows that die.    

 

 

 

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Yeah, I think they use Bromine now.   We just got rural water last fall and now my minnows don't last very well despite a filter and aerator.   Had a 50 gallon Sprawl Mart plastic storage thing set up in my shop but gave it up and now toss leftover minnows in my pond. . 

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I have a 110 gal tank that I want to keep shiners in.  Tank will be outside, plans are yo bury it as deep as i can to keep the water cool. Shiners are really sensitive baitfish.  What do i neet to keep these minnow alive for as long as possible?  I priced out a water pump to cycle fresh water that will run me $260 bucks.  Originally I wanted to put in a water pump for fresh water and an aerator as well.  What does a guy need to make it work and not fail?

 

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I have a 110 gal tank that I want to keep shiners in.  Tank will be outside, plans are yo bury it as deep as i can to keep the water cool. Shiners are really sensitive baitfish.  What do i neet to keep these minnow alive for as long as possible?  I priced out a water pump to cycle fresh water that will run me $260 bucks.  Originally I wanted to put in a water pump for fresh water and an aerator as well.  What does a guy need to make it work and not fail?

If you just want to "move water" the simple powerhead pumps sold at aquarium stores (and Walmarts, etc.) are inexpensive because they make millions of them for a hobby trade). Some allow you to let the pumps suck air into a tube, which it mixes inside the pump, so you get both current and aeration.

The sown-side to bubbles is that bubbles burst when they come up to surface, throwing a fine mist in the air. This speeds evaporation AND cause a salty crust to form everywhere. That's why most folks hand an external aquarium filter on the top edge of the tank

 

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260 for a pump is overkill for a 110 gal tank. You should be able to find a pump thats more than adequate for less than $50.

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I have a 110 gal tank that I want to keep shiners in.  Tank will be outside, plans are yo bury it as deep as i can to keep the water cool. Shiners are really sensitive baitfish.  What do i neet to keep these minnow alive for as long as possible?  I priced out a water pump to cycle fresh water that will run me $260 bucks.  Originally I wanted to put in a water pump for fresh water and an aerator as well.  What does a guy need to make it work and not fail?
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Lycanthrope Said:
260 for a pump is overkill for a 110 gal tank. You should be able to find a pump thats more than adequate for less than $50.

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I have a 110 gal tank that I want to keep shiners in.  Tank will be outside, plans are yo bury it as deep as i can to keep the water cool. Shiners are really sensitive baitfish.  What do i neet to keep these minnow alive for as long as possible?  I priced out a water pump to cycle fresh water that will run me $260 bucks.  Originally I wanted to put in a water pump for fresh water and an aerator as well.  What does a guy need to make it work and not fail?

tech guy told me that's what I needed to suck water from 25 yards away and uphill approx 5-8ft.  1/3hp 2-4 gal per minute.  I don't need that much flow but that was what they have. 

 

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Are you taking water from a fresh water source? I figured you were recirculating water. Shiners arent legal baitfish in ND, did you mean creek chubs?

Something like this for $90 would be plenty I would think. You need to figure your electricity cost also when you are running a pump that is way larger than necessary.

www.little-giantpump.com/new_page_13.htm

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Kentucky Windage Said:
I have a 110 gal tank that I want to keep shiners in.  Tank will be outside, plans are yo bury it as deep as i can to keep the water cool. Shiners are really sensitive baitfish.  What do i neet to keep these minnow alive for as long as possible?  I priced out a water pump to cycle fresh water that will run me $260 bucks.  Originally I wanted to put in a water pump for fresh water and an aerator as well.  What does a guy need to make it work and not fail?

If you plan to use that pump to constantly recycle water from an outside source there's no need to burry the tank to keep the water cool since it will always be the same temp as your source anyway.

My bait tank is at least 150 gallons and I only have a $39.99 external power filter running that to keep 50 to 100 large creek chubs alive.

what species of shiner are you planning on keeping?  some are way more sensitive than others.  common, spottail, emerald?  if you live in ND all shiners are illegal for bait, only creek chubs and fathead minnows may be used.

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Are you taking water from a fresh water source? I figured you were recirculating water. Shiners arent legal baitfish in ND, did you mean creek chubs?

Something like this for $90 would be plenty I would think. You need to figure your electricity cost also when you are running a pump that is way larger than necessary.

www.little-giantpump.com/new_page_13.htm

Everyone I talk to who sells pumps tells me I need something with more power to suck the water from the lake than long of a distance.

This is in MN, job brought me from central ND where I am from to Eastern  ND.  The GF has a cabin on Ottertail which is great walleye fishing, so I net my own shiners in the spring instead of paying $5.50-6.00/doz at bait shops which is crazy IMO

 

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multi-species-angler Said:

If you plan to use that pump to constantly recycle water from an outside source there's no need to burry the tank to keep the water cool since it will always be the same temp as your source anyway.

My bait tank is at least 150 gallons and I only have a $39.99 external power filter running that to keep 50 to 100 large creek chubs alive.

what species of shiner are you planning on keeping?  some are way more sensitive than others.  common, spottail, emerald?  if you live in ND all shiners are illegal for bait, only creek chubs and fathead minnows may be used.

Spottail, they so much get a wiff of stress they die.  There will be more than a 100 in there at time I would bet so i want to keep everything fresh

 

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Spottail, they so much get a wiff of stress they die.  There will be more than a 100 in there at time I would bet so i want to keep everything fresh

You don't have to bury the tank if you have direct overflow of constant lake water, especially if the water is taken from 6' below the surface where its typically cooler.  I'd keep the bait tank indoors in a shed or at least in the shade.

And yes, if you jump over the top of the tank and yell "BOO!" you can kill spot tails, common shiners are much more durable.

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You could get something a little larger, but a 1/3 hp pump is severe overkill for keeping some minnows. Whats the electricity draw on a pump like that? They make smaller pumps that dont move a lot of CFS but they can handle pressure better than other pumps. IMO if you replace the water twice an hour you should be just fine. There are graphs available for pumps that show the volume they will pump compared the the lift required. You could use a larger pump on a timer and run it intermittently, but the fish would handle a lesser stream of continuous water better and you wouldnt get as much temperature fluctuations that way either.

Here is a graph for the pump I suggested earlier, even with a 10' head, you are still gonna get 200gal/hour water flow which would be great for that application I think.

If you want to spend a little more, something like this would also work, get at little more pressure at the head you are describing, but its probably unnecessary.

www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Little-Giant-3E-34N-1-15-HP-670-GPH-Dual-Purpose-Pump-10-Power-Cord-503603/13137/Cat/773


If you really want to spend some extra $$$, I would go with a larger tank and use the smaller pump.


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multi-species-angler Said:

You don't have to bury the tank if you have direct overflow of constant lake water, especially if the water is taken from 6' below the surface where its typically cooler.  I'd keep the bait tank indoors in a shed or at least in the shade.

And yes, if you jump over the top of the tank and yell "BOO!" you can kill spot tails, common shiners are much more durable.

I have a spot in the shade for the tank.  It works out best to have the pump close to the tank (25yds from the water).  The eletricity is close and the pump can be protected easier but it is harder to draw water up 5 ft gradual slope and 25yds from the water.  The pump I am told I need for that distance is way more than I want to spend.  If I have a 200-300 shiners in the tank can I get away with burrying it and just have an aerator or do I need the water circulating as well?

 

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Kentucky Windage Said:
I have a spot in the shade for the tank.  It works out best to have the pump close to the tank (25yds from the water).  The eletricity is close and the pump can be protected easier but it is harder to draw water up 5 ft gradual slope and 25yds from the water.  The pump I am told I need for that distance is way more than I want to spend.  If I have a 200-300 shiners in the tank can I get away with burrying it and just have an aerator or do I need the water circulating as well?

Spot tail shiners have almost zero tolerance for ammonia, so just a bubbler/aerator won't do.  you will need some sort of mechanical & biological filtration.  I'd recommend at least 2 large (hang on the side) power filters (about $40 each) set up similar to the picture I posted on page one of this thread.

You'll also run into the trouble of cycling the tank and building up the propper types and amount of beneficial bacteria to handle the waste of a few hundred shiners.  Your best off finding an in-expensive pump and circulating fresh lake water through the tank with an overflow system.  But like lycan said, you don't need such a huge pump, 200 to 300 gallons per hour is plenty.

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MSA what do you feed your chubs and minnows.  I have gotten some minnows to take flake food from the pet store but not all that I have tried it with.  On a side note anyone in the Hazen area that wants crawlers can pm me and we will work out a time and you can come get some free.


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MSA what do you feed your chubs and minnows.  I have gotten some minnows to take flake food from the pet store but not all that I have tried it with.  On a side note anyone in the Hazen area that wants crawlers can pm me and we will work out a time and you can come get some free.

I don't feed them anything, since I use them up within a couple weeks & then go catch more.  and I have such a good supply of big healthy minnows in minot, that its not worth it to keep my own when my father-in-law owns a bait shop on my way to the lake.

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I havent found creek chubs in the bis area, but I do the same with my fatheads. They keep a few weeks and once they start to die off, I scoop them all up and catch a new batch.

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flocknocker58701 Said:
MSA what do you feed your chubs and minnows.  I have gotten some minnows to take flake food from the pet store but not all that I have tried it with.  On a side note anyone in the Hazen area that wants crawlers can pm me and we will work out a time and you can come get some free.

I don't feed them anything, since I use them up within a couple weeks & then go catch more.  and I have such a good supply of big healthy minnows in minot, that its not worth it to keep my own when my father-in-law owns a bait shop on my way to the lake.

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