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Backyard Beehive?

Any of you ever try keeping a colony of bees as a hobby or for recreation? Ive been doing some research and it seems interesting. How far away from occupied buildings would a small hive have to bee so that it doesnt bother people? Honey bees seem to be quite docile and non aggressive, but I wouldnt wanna loose the use of my backyard because I stuck a hive in one corner. Also how well do bees handle ND winters?

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 Best suggestion from an ex-beekeeper is to take a class.  You will have ten thousand questions that would be answered by that single class.  It is a wonderful hobby and very tasty too!!  I had to quit because I developed an allergic reaction to the stings after having bees for 20 years.  Still would love to do it but I don't dare.  RodNReel

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Is getting stung generally avoidable? Ive been watching some youtube videos and it seems several beekeepers dont wear any protection and the bees dont bother them at all. Or maybe they are getting stung and not reacting to it?

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Juz cuz I could easily see a lawsuit coming, I would check with your neighbors to see if they are allergic to beestings.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Growing up on a farm. We always had  two or three hives out about fifty yards from the house.with no problem from them.
In town here I have a next door neighbor that is allergic to bee sting.

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Meelosh Said:
Juz cuz I could easily see a lawsuit coming, I would check with your neighbors to see if they are allergic to beestings.

I would think in a city there would be an ordinace against it.

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If you live where I think you do, you might want to consider moving out to the country. 

Sounds like a damn good way to piss off your neighbors in town.

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If you live where I think you do, you might want to consider moving out to the country. 

Sounds like a damn good way to piss off your neighbors in town.

The thought of Lycan owning a "backyard beehive" if he lives in town is priceless.

Stuff like this brings a smile to my face.... 

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Funny this is a topic today.  NPR just had a segment on the radio this morning on this very subject and specifically urban bee keepers in the minneapolis area. 

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 I am pretty sure it would be against Bismarck ordinance.
"4. "Dangerous animals" means animals which, because of their poisonous bite or sting, their size, or their propensity to viciousness or aggressiveness would constitute a hazard or threat to the safety of the citizens of Bismarck.

3-01-02. Restrictions of the Keepinq and Raising of Animals and Fowl.

l. The raising and keeping of animals is hereby prohibited except: As permitted in the zoning ordinances of the City; at zoos; at schools, clinics or laboratories for recognized educational, scientific or research purposes; and, one pair of animals commonly kept as pets and not prohibited by this chapter or city ordinance, providing the keeping of them does not create a public health or safety problem. The keeping of dangerous animals is prohibited."

I can't believe anybody would even want a hive in the small yards that are in Bismarck, to begin with. That 1/4 acre lot he has is not even close to big enough no matter where it was.

 

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Guess 'urban' beekeeping is getting quite popular, judging by all the info out on the net about it. I doubt any lawsuits would hold up in court. I dont have any hives in my neighborhood, but there are always a lot bees buzzing around my yard on just about any day during the summer. Would be hard to sue someone because one of their bees stung you I would think, how would you even prove where the bee came from? They all look the same to me.

I know someone who lives near town, where I could put a hive if wanted to, but as far as I can tell, there are no city ordinances against it in Bismarck anyway. It actually sounds like bees kept in or near town can be quite beneficial to fruit trees and gardens. Bees tend to stay within 2 miles of their hives (so I have read). Larger towns/cities often dont have as many bees as would be beneficial to many plants.

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I guess this would be open to interpretation as most people dont consider a honeybee as a 'dangerous animal'. Actually the place I was more seriously considering putting a hive is closer to Menoken than Bismarck, on about 10 acres. I have enough scrap wood to throw together a top bar hive fairly quickly. I dont have enough use for honey to bother with a langsroth type hive, or want to invest the funds. Can bees overwinter in ND without additional protection from the weather? Anyone have any experience with this? If I built a hive, would there be a good chance a swarm of bees would move in, or would I need to seek out a swarm, or contact a beekeeper to obtain bees? Im not in a big hurry or anything but I dont wanna way for 5 years for bees to show up, if I tried doing this.

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 I am pretty sure it would be against Bismarck ordinance.
"4. "Dangerous animals" means animals which, because of their poisonous bite or sting, their size, or their propensity to viciousness or aggressiveness would constitute a hazard or threat to the safety of the citizens of Bismarck.

3-01-02. Restrictions of the Keepinq and Raising of Animals and Fowl.

l. The raising and keeping of animals is hereby prohibited except: As permitted in the zoning ordinances of the City; at zoos; at schools, clinics or laboratories for recognized educational, scientific or research purposes; and, one pair of animals commonly kept as pets and not prohibited by this chapter or city ordinance, providing the keeping of them does not create a public health or safety problem. The keeping of dangerous animals is prohibited."

I can't believe anybody would even want a hive in the small yards that are in Bismarck, to begin with. That 1/4 acre lot he has is not even close to big enough no matter where it was.

 

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I know a fella in the Twin Cities who raises bees for help in pollinating his fruit trees.  Different kind of bee though and don't seem to be a problem, especially in the very small number that he uses.

Like most though, I don't think having large beehive in town is a very good idea.  I could see Lycan being the one to order a hive of the cheapest bees available from Brazil only to discover they're africanized.

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Because they have a poisonous sting, that alone makes them a dangerous animal by the City Ordinance definition therefore they would be prohibited.

Your first post stated you didn't want to lose the use of your backyard, which is in Bismarck so I posted a copy of the applicable ordinance.

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I guess this would be open to interpretation as most people dont consider a honeybee as a 'dangerous animal'. Actually the place I was more seriously considering putting a hive is closer to Menoken than Bismarck, on about 10 acres. I have enough scrap wood to throw together a top bar hive fairly quickly. I dont have enough use for honey to bother with a langsroth type hive, or want to invest the funds. Can bees overwinter in ND without additional protection from the weather? Anyone have any experience with this? If I built a hive, would there be a good chance a swarm of bees would move in, or would I need to seek out a swarm, or contact a beekeeper to obtain bees? Im not in a big hurry or anything but I dont wanna way for 5 years for bees to show up, if I tried doing this.

fire angel Said:
 I am pretty sure it would be against Bismarck ordinance.
"4. "Dangerous animals" means animals which, because of their poisonous bite or sting, their size, or their propensity to viciousness or aggressiveness would constitute a hazard or threat to the safety of the citizens of Bismarck.

3-01-02. Restrictions of the Keepinq and Raising of Animals and Fowl.

l. The raising and keeping of animals is hereby prohibited except: As permitted in the zoning ordinances of the City; at zoos; at schools, clinics or laboratories for recognized educational, scientific or research purposes; and, one pair of animals commonly kept as pets and not prohibited by this chapter or city ordinance, providing the keeping of them does not create a public health or safety problem. The keeping of dangerous animals is prohibited."

I can't believe anybody would even want a hive in the small yards that are in Bismarck, to begin with. That 1/4 acre lot he has is not even close to big enough no matter where it was.

 

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Haha, I was thinking 'backyard' because of the title of that website I stumbled upon. Is it illegal in bismarck to have spiders or scorpions as pets also?

Allen, why would you think I would order 'cheap' bees?

Actually I have too many hobbies as is right now. But bees would be fun to mess with, maybe when Im old and retired....

fire angel Said:
Because they have a poisonous sting, that alone makes them a dangerous animal by the City Ordinance definition therefore they would be prohibited.

Your first post stated you didn't want to lose the use of your backyard, which is in Bismarck so I posted a copy of the applicable ordinance.

Lycanthrope Said:
I guess this would be open to interpretation as most people dont consider a honeybee as a 'dangerous animal'. Actually the place I was more seriously considering putting a hive is closer to Menoken than Bismarck, on about 10 acres. I have enough scrap wood to throw together a top bar hive fairly quickly. I dont have enough use for honey to bother with a langsroth type hive, or want to invest the funds. Can bees overwinter in ND without additional protection from the weather? Anyone have any experience with this? If I built a hive, would there be a good chance a swarm of bees would move in, or would I need to seek out a swarm, or contact a beekeeper to obtain bees? Im not in a big hurry or anything but I dont wanna way for 5 years for bees to show up, if I tried doing this.

fire angel Said:
 I am pretty sure it would be against Bismarck ordinance.
"4. "Dangerous animals" means animals which, because of their poisonous bite or sting, their size, or their propensity to viciousness or aggressiveness would constitute a hazard or threat to the safety of the citizens of Bismarck.

3-01-02. Restrictions of the Keepinq and Raising of Animals and Fowl.

l. The raising and keeping of animals is hereby prohibited except: As permitted in the zoning ordinances of the City; at zoos; at schools, clinics or laboratories for recognized educational, scientific or research purposes; and, one pair of animals commonly kept as pets and not prohibited by this chapter or city ordinance, providing the keeping of them does not create a public health or safety problem. The keeping of dangerous animals is prohibited."

I can't believe anybody would even want a hive in the small yards that are in Bismarck, to begin with. That 1/4 acre lot he has is not even close to big enough no matter where it was.

 

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Here is the contact information for the ND Apiary Folks at the Ag Dept

www.nd.gov/ndda/program/apiarybees

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Lycanthrope Said:
Allen, why would you think I would order 'cheap' bees?

Beacuse you tried to save $.17 by using water softener salt instead of canning salt.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Oh, that really doesnt have much to do with me being cheap, its a principal thing. I think salt companies gouge consumers is really the point I was trying to make.

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Allen, why would you think I would order 'cheap' bees?

Beacuse you tried to save $.17 by using water softener salt instead of canning salt.

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Ok dude.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Dont be a Stanley...........   Bee stings kill more people in the USA  then ..... a very long list of things.

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Worked with honeybees for over20 years,hauled them back and forth from Texas and Mississippi back to North Dakota,Have also raised queen bees for sale,mailed them all over the USA..Alot of back breaking work,and yes ive been stung injust about every place you can think of and it hurts.Go buy your honey from a local beekeeper.......

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Lycan, you need to post more often.  Your threads make me laugh.

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Captain Ahab Said:
Lycan, you need to post more often.  Your threads make me laugh.

Thats what I was thinking, how does he even come up with these kick @ss ideas

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Thats what I was thinking, how does he even come up with these kick @ss ideas

My best guess:

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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My threads make me laugh also, especially some of the responses I get. Its cheap fun.

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Lycan, you need to post more often.  Your threads make me laugh.
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So, if you raise bumble bees in town, would you be a bumbling idiot?  Bee nice!

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TTT

Update on the beehive shenanigans needed.

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 i was wondering whatever hppened to this topic, one of the best ever!

 

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 Lycan,   I read an article last winter where you use a clay planter with a drain hole in the bottom and find an old mouse nest and flip the clay planter upside down over the mouse nest then set 4 rocks about the size of a small marble on  top/bottom what ever I should call it , Then put a ceramic tile on top of the rocks and Bumblebees will smell the mouse nest and crawl under the tile and in the hole set up shop.    There are ways to start backyard honey bees on a shoestring too.  One is with cardboard tubes, This is a website that sells them.  I will get on here later tonight and see if I can find the home made ones.
My wife showed me a page on pintrest a while back where you raise honey bees in  canning jars, I didn't get around to  reading it looked to me like all you have to do is kick the bees out and put the lid on.    

http://www.kinsmangarden.com/product/Mason-Bee-House-Tubes/Mason-Bee-Houses

 

 

 

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