automatic hook setting pole holders/tip ups

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automatic hook setting pole holders/tip ups

Has anyone tried the automatic hook setting pole holders made by "automatic fisherman"? They look like they would work. If anyone has tried them, are they worth the money?

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I would reread the proclamation. They banned the use of automatic hook setting and reeling equipment years ago. Assuming of course that you were planning on using them in ND.

Straight from the proclamation:

"It is illegal to fish with any spring, lever, chemically, electrically, or mechanically actuated fish hook or gaff hook at all times. The use of any mechanical device to automatically retrieve the fish shall be illegal except by permission of the director."

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p.s. sorry to be the bearer of the bad news. But hey, it saves you some coin you can use on a few new lures. :)

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Here is an email that I sent to the ND G&F and their reply. You can use them. So, back to my question. Has anyone tried them with any luck???
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From: [mailto:gmc70_trevor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:04 PM
To: -Info-Game & Fish Dept.
Subject: Ice fishing question.

Hi,

I have a question about the section of the fishing regulations that pertains to "Hook and Line Equipment". In the regulations it states, "The use of any spring, lever, chemically, electrically, or mechanically actualted fish hook or gaff hook is prohibited at all times". The way that I read it means that you can't use a "hook" with any of these alterations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that you CAN use something like the "Automatic Fisherman" sold in many stores in ND because it is not the "fish hook", but is only using the bend of the pole to set the hook for you, correct? If you're not familiar with the "Automatic Fisherman", here is the website for them. http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/

Thank you for your time.

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Well, I stand corrected.

Really makes a guy curious about what was the intent under that section of the proclamation.

I guess this just goes to show that the best intentioned interpretations of the proclamation by non-Game and Fish personnel are flawed. My Bad.

Other than that, the systems look like they are a one strike and done kind of setup. And once a fish gets "hooked" my question would be how many wil get off by coming back towards the hole and producing slack in the line which allows them to spit the hook?

But hey, at $29. It may be worth a try. If nothing else you'll have a conversation piece when on the ice. And if it works well, then you can buy more.

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Ive seen those too, they look interesting, would be nice to use one for pike fishing, loose a lot of fish between the hit and getting to the pole.

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Allen the intent of that rule is for the spring loaded hooks I have seen that are used for pike. They look similar to a smelt hook but they have another jaw that snaps down on the nose of the fish once it bites

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That and probably to outlaw some of those mideval looking spring loaded gaffs on a long handle or a spring loaded spear type of gadget that I saw for sale a long time ago. You could bring a fish fairly close to a boat or I suppose an ice hole even, shoot it then haul it in on a 1/4 inch rope. Real sporting, especially if you were doing catch and release!

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There is another type that you can use regular 5 foot spinning rods/reels on that I think would provide a better hookset than those short little ice rods. I saw them a while back, you can build them yourself or something, anyone know what Im talking about, have a link?

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They are called the slammer and are used in Michigan and many other states for several years. Their website: http://hometown.aol.com/slamcoinc/index.html

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Couple questions.

Do you let the line free spool or set the drag fairly loose?

I mean what happens if a pike hits it, he's gonna take off right? Won't the line just snap?

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I made one of my own last night, using just a medium action ice rod. Was fishing for trout, and boy does that work awesome! No more losing the fish before you get to the pole. It sets the hook good and deep so you don't lose them. I just had the drag set sort of loose and a good thing cause I got one brown trout over 5 pounds that probably would have snapped the line!

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Minotman,
What did you use as a catch to hold the rod tip down and how did you set it up? Do you have any up close pictures of what it looks like? I was trying to check out the pics on the website, but couldn't tell what type of parts they used.

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I actually made a few extra and am trying to sell one on ebay right now... If you want to check out the design I came up with heres the auction. Works awesome!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AM...

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minotguy, you probably shouldn't use their copyrighted name in your add to sell a product that looks a lot like theirs. Making them for your own use is not such a big deal but if it is patented, you could get in big trouble and it could cost you alot more money than you will make. I would suggest editing your auction if you can. Just a suggestion, take it for what it is worth.

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Isn't that like cheating. does that thing bait your hook and real it in too. Some people are pretty desperate

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minotguy
You are an uphamguy like buckseye !!!

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I know, I just haven't changed my logon since I moved out here to the middle of nowhere...

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Fox Island Outfitter,
Here are some good pictures of how to make a Slammer.
http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=15048.msg141167#msg...
Scroll down to see the pics

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Just found another one, a different style:
http://hometown.aol.com/slamcoinc/whipup.html