As shaggy would say... Rho Rho

Great!  This just has to happen 2 weeks after I take a new position with a company quite reliant on the oil industry. 

I wouldn't worry too much L.  There's way too much money involved and considering our dependence on oil from country's that hate us there'd be way too much political pressure for the EPA to just ban it. 

Ok people calm down... All that is going to happen are some regulations on containment and storage and registration and things along those lines. Which any unbias person would tell you is fine. They are not going to put an end to fracking they simply want to know what people are putting in the ground for godsakes!!! Is that such a bad thing?

I wonder what people would say if all of a sudden the fish start dieing in the lakes or some people start getting sick, like mentioned on here already who knows what we will know in a few years. Why be reactive to a disaster when we can be proactive to prevent one?

I work with the EPA on other things within the state and they aren't the idiots everyone on the site thinks they are. If I were them i would regulate it too, because they get sued on a weekly basis by special interest groups and almost always lose those battles.

My point is if I have learned one thing about people and businesses in general even though we like to think they will do the right thing on their own, i can guarantee that a lot of people will not and only look at the profit margin when racing to get to the oil. I for one don't want to be apart of the generation in ND that hurts the states best resource and it is oil it is the OUTDOORS!! Isnt this a hunting and fishing site people?!?!

If you really want to see what's involved in figuring out if fracing is or is not being done "safely" with respect to groundwater then check out the draft report at bottom of this post. That report cost an A$$LOAD of money to put together and conduct. It was done with an A$$LOAD of photos and extreme documentation. This is because the energy companies will be "all over" this report - looking for weaknesses (which I don't have a problem with). Look at the detail and anal attitude they are taking just to measure water and drill a couple deep monitoring wells. That's because it difficult and really really expensive to do it "right" and not leave room for doubt about the results.

I have horses in both races. I want energy/jobs, but I hate seeing places screwed up. I've been to hundreds of crap-holes all over the country/world. I'm leaving Sunday to demonstrate our technology at a big one in Linz, Austria. What irks me is that most crap-holes could have been prevented with moderate measures. I'm pretty confident some are being made today in western ND.

If anything I hope this report keeps shaky operators on their toes so they don't screw up ND like it appears this place got screwed up.

OK extreme frac supporters and tree-huggers alike, descend on this issue at your leisure. But read the report first - so we can all have an intelligent discussion.

http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/wy/pavillion/EPA_ReportOnPavillion_Dec-8-2011.pdf

North dakota is the one state that does not have a superfund site. if I was a tree hugger I would likely say that we should ban all oil drilling, regardless of the catastrophic economic effects of it, if I were a tree hugger. oh ya, that reminds me, one time at Bible camp, some guys that I could tell found the tree hugger mentality to be silly decided to do some actual tree hugging, running up to a tree with shorts on and jumping on and holding on as long as they could. the fact remains that the epa should not be alowed to make any regulations that have not been aproved by the state that it will be affecting or if it is nation wide, congress, and even then they should not be allowed to pass if the cost is greater than the benifet, just like with socialized medicene. it's like in star trek,  "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one".  

Water is one of those miracles of life you take for granted until you've screwed it up or lost it. Like beer for instance.

scooby says ruh rho ragy... not shagy

 

guywhofishes Said:
If you really want to see what's involved in figuring out if fracing is or is not being done "safely" with respect to groundwater then check out the draft report at bottom of this post. That report cost an A$$LOAD of money to put together and conduct. It was done with an A$$LOAD of photos and extreme documentation. This is because the energy companies will be "all over" this report - looking for weaknesses (which I don't have a problem with). Look at the detail and anal attitude they are taking just to measure water and drill a couple deep monitoring wells. That's because it difficult and really really expensive to do it "right" and not leave room for doubt about the results.

I have horses in both races. I want energy/jobs, but I hate seeing places screwed up. I've been to hundreds of crap-holes all over the country/world. I'm leaving Sunday to demonstrate our technology at a big one in Linz, Austria. What irks me is that most crap-holes could have been prevented with moderate measures. I'm pretty confident some are being made today in western ND.

If anything I hope this report keeps shaky operators on their toes so they don't screw up ND like it appears this place got screwed up.

OK extreme frac supporters and tree-huggers alike, descend on this issue at your leisure. But read the report first - so we can all have an intelligent discussion.

http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/wy/pavillion/EPA_ReportOnPavillion_Dec-8-2011.pdf

I don't have time to read the report at the moment, but I have a quick question for those of you in the know.

Are there some fundamental differences in the fracturing done to recover oil compared to those for gas? 

Most of the problems around the country sound like they developed from gas well fracturing rather than oil.

I can, and will, research the differences but I thought some of you on here would know some of this off hand. ie; depth of these gas fields in relation to the oil here in ND, process used on gas wells vs Bakken oil wells. 

If everything was done down in the oil formation, and it stayed down in the formation, it would be a zero issue. It's when things end up in the surface and upper groundwater formations that you get trouble. The fracing isn't my worry, it's big leaks of either what's on the way down, or what's brought up.

Surface pits full of toxic crap left to sit/leak really seem like unnecessary risks to me.