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If anyone is traveling on highway 2, there is a bad situation near the Palermo turn off. Use extreme caution approaching that area. I believe both lanes are currently closed.

Also, highway 83 south bound lane 1/4 mile north of the junction of 23 there was another bad accident this morning.

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 One of my sons best friends was killed there this morning.  Multiple deaths, please pray for the families!

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Holy shnikees.....that looks terrible. What happened? Hate hearing about these accidents out west. Be safe out there everyone.

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Way to many moron truck drivers out on the roads out West.

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 One of my sons best friends was killed there this morning.  Multiple deaths, please pray for the families!

Sorry to hear about this.  Prayers sent

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Tanker full of oil?

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 Trucker pulled out in front with no time to react, hit the tanker!

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Terrible. My deepest condolences go out to the families.


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Traffic is still stopped at the corner of 8 and 2 on the south side of Stanley.. the accident just a few miles east of here.. Smoke is still rolling from the scene... Have heard as many as 12 vehicles and 6 fatalities...  not sure on those facts though.. its nasty...

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 My deepest condolences to the families and friends.

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 They will have to do some repair on the asphalt as that will burn also.

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I've heard reports of up to 12 vehicles in the accident and 6 fatalities so far.. not sure on those reports but that is what is being said.. we'll have to wait for more facts to come out...  there was an Air Medic Chopper that flew in here ..from the west..  so they are air lifting people out..  traffic is backed up still.. 

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That just makes me sick to my stomach. I drive through there at the time of accident most days of the week, just not today. My deepest sympathies to the families of the ones involved.

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Does anyone know if there was thick fog in the area when this happened? It was so thick in the Minot area this morning. Had three different incidents of people pulling out in front of me like they didn't even see me coming even with my headlights on this morning on hiway 2 between Burlington and Minot.

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STANLEY, N.D. — Authorities near Stanley say they're battling flames from a fiery crash involving two semi-trucks and three pickup-trucks.

North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Gary Orluck says that crews are assuming multiple victims at the Friday morning crash along U.S. Highway 2 about three miles east of Stanley.

Orluck says heavy fog that greatly reduced visibility in the area was a major contributor to the crash.

Traffic is again flowing after crews set up a detour to alleviate a significant backlog.

Authorities say more information will be available after oil from a tanker completely burns off.

 

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Well when I left home I can see about 50 feet in front of me and I was being passed by people like crazy that had to of been going 65-70 mph. They're driving completely blind and have accepted the probability that if someone pulls out in front of them they're likely going to kill them.
I can't understand it......

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visibility at that time was probably 75 feet or less. The fog was so thick!   Thats the road that takes you into the EOG man camp and then its the road that the semi's take when they haul crude to the Railroad oil loading facility ne of Stanley...  must of been trying to cross the highway in the fog...

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This was a horrible thing to happen. I know one of the guys who unfortunately lost their lives and I just pray for his and everyone who lost their lives families. Horrible thing to happen to anyone especially the guy I know. Was an awesome guy and so young. R.I.P. Tyler. You will be missed and see you on the other side man. Please pray for the families.

 

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 You are correct, Tyler was a hell of a kid.  My son and him had just last night made plans for the weekend!

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When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

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visibility at that time was probably 75 feet or less. The fog was so thick!   Thats the road that takes you into the EOG man camp and then its the road that the semi's take when they haul crude to the Railroad oil loading facility ne of Stanley...  must of been trying to cross the highway in the fog...

Have hauled many loads into EOG, at that spot is at a the bottom of a long down hill slope on the highway.Lots of traffic in that area,have traveled on highway 2 west to tioga and back to Minot for 0ver 5 years and consider myself lucky not to have been in a accident.But out of all the weather conditions ive drove in.Fog is the most dangerous,2nd is somebody driving in the east bound lane heading west,this has happen twice...

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When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

That is simply not true and is not an accurate reflection of the vast majority of the oilfield companies working out there.

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 More Highway Patrolmen, this is going to happen at Juction of 5 & 52 at Lignite, it's going to be a big Barbecue, everybody has to slow down

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 Bad deal. Highway 2 should be 55 from Minot to williston

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When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

Im sure the oil companies would rather have their drivers not getting in accidents then have lawsuits on their hands.  Some of the drivers are just plain idiots.

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Do you think the families of the fatal victims would want you IDIOTS to post pictures of fatal crashes for everyone to see??  Have a clue and think before you start posting pictures on the internet.  Better yet, don't even take pictures at all of these crash scenes!!

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 You are correct, Tyler was a hell of a kid.  My son and him had just last night made plans for the weekend!

 Tyler was a great kid. His family still resides here in Bowman County . Prayers to them, and all the families who lost.

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Do you think the families of the fatal victims would want you IDIOTS to post pictures of fatal crashes for everyone to see??  Have a clue and think before you start posting pictures on the internet.  Better yet, don't even take pictures at all of these crash scenes!!

Settle down chief

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I drive truck from Mandan out to Dickinson, then to Belfield, up to Grassy Butte, over to Killdeer and back down to Dickinson every week. Been doing it now for 4 months....I have YET to see a Highway Patrol!! I'm all for my taxes going up a bit to hire more HP's out there to keep everyone in line and everyone safe.
My heart goes out to all involved, sad deal.

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Tyler was a hell of a guy and there was never a dull moment with him around he will be missed. RIP man!

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 You are right.  I have hauled grain to Ross. Ray from  a100 mile radis of Ross. If I see100 oil drivers 60 are texting and the car/pickup drivers are worse. Speed is unreal. It should be enforced  write tickets at 71 and charge 100 dollars per mile over  the water haulers are the worst then gravel 
the oil haulers are pretty good.    All of the people need to use the lever on the left side of the steering wheel and clean off the lights

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Way to many moron truck drivers out on the roads out West.

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 I don't really understand why there isn't policies among trucking companies where if visibility is less than 1/4 mile, they shut down until it clears....   It's Russian roulette out there on days like this.  

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When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

my boss tells me that every single day. 

 

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I drive truck from Mandan out to Dickinson, then to Belfield, up to Grassy Butte, over to Killdeer and back down to Dickinson every week. Been doing it now for 4 months....I have YET to see a Highway Patrol!! I'm all for my taxes going up a bit to hire more HP's out there to keep everyone in line and everyone safe.
My heart goes out to all involved, sad deal.

about the only time I see them is sitting inside the closed weigh station in Williston.  Rarely see them on the roads. 

 

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When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

Im sure the oil companies would rather have their drivers not getting in accidents then have lawsuits on their hands.  Some of the drivers are just plain idiots.

You mean like the yahoos that almost got three of my employees killed? Two idiots in yellow trucks sitting beside the road suddenly pulled out and drove side by side then stopped in the middle of the road to stop traffic so some equipment could cross the highway. No warning, no flashers, nothing.  My people were behind them and had to hit the brakes hard. A van behind them had to take the ditch to avoid a collision and thank God the semi coming behind them was able to stop in time or I would be attending their funerals. WHAT GIVES THESE COMPANIES THE RIGHT TO THINK THEY CAN STOP TRAFFIC WHENEVER THEY FEEL THE NEED??????????????

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labz4me Said:
When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

Im sure the oil companies would rather have their drivers not getting in accidents then have lawsuits on their hands.  Some of the drivers are just plain idiots.

You mean like the yahoos that almost got three of my employees killed? Two idiots in yellow trucks sitting beside the road suddenly pulled out and drove side by side then stopped in the middle of the road to stop traffic so some equipment could cross the highway. No warning, no flashers, nothing.  My people were behind them and had to hit the brakes hard. A van behind them had to take the ditch to avoid a collision and thank God the semi coming behind them was able to stop in time or I would be attending their funerals. WHAT GIVES THESE COMPANIES THE RIGHT TO THINK THEY CAN STOP TRAFFIC WHENEVER THEY FEEL THE NEED??????????????

They should need a permit to do it, whether it is a rig, a pipeliner, a house builder or a farmer. I had an encounter with two combines with 30' headers moving at 1 am when I was younger,  another time I came over a hill at dusk and found and old (40s) grain truck with no tail lights going about 10 mph.  When you start to think about all the times it is dumb luck that you didn't have a wreck it makes you a little nervous.  Those oil haulers are rolling bombs, the non controlled access on highway 2 just makes it hell.  8 of the personnel on my location were seconds ahead and bend the big wreck.  Sure was a sigh of relief to have no fog this morning.

                                                                                                                         

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labz4me Said:
When is the last time you heard of an oil company say "take your time, be careful". Not very likely. "Money, money, money...faster, faster, faster". The oil companies have to realize this oil isn't going anywhere, slow down a bit. Or a LOT. The great people of ND would appreciate it.
RIP to all involved in the crashes. Prayers

Im sure the oil companies would rather have their drivers not getting in accidents then have lawsuits on their hands.  Some of the drivers are just plain idiots.

You mean like the yahoos that almost got three of my employees killed? Two idiots in yellow trucks sitting beside the road suddenly pulled out and drove side by side then stopped in the middle of the road to stop traffic so some equipment could cross the highway. No warning, no flashers, nothing.  My people were behind them and had to hit the brakes hard. A van behind them had to take the ditch to avoid a collision and thank God the semi coming behind them was able to stop in time or I would be attending their funerals. WHAT GIVES THESE COMPANIES THE RIGHT TO THINK THEY CAN STOP TRAFFIC WHENEVER THEY FEEL THE NEED??????????????

They should need a permit to do it, whether it is a rig, a pipeliner, a house builder or a farmer. I had an encounter with two combines with 30' headers moving at 1 am when I was younger,  another time I came over a hill at dusk and found and old (40s) grain truck with no tail lights going about 10 mph.  When you start to think about all the times it is dumb luck that you didn't have a wreck it makes you a little nervous.  Those oil haulers are rolling bombs, the non controlled access on highway 2 just makes it hell.  8 of the personnel on my location were seconds ahead and bend the big wreck.  Sure was a sigh of relief to have no fog this morning.

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Do you think the families of the fatal victims would want you IDIOTS to post pictures of fatal crashes for everyone to see??  Have a clue and think before you start posting pictures on the internet.  Better yet, don't even take pictures at all of these crash scenes!!

LOL....good luck. You gonna call NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, AP, Reuters, ?  LOL. When you gonna shake your finger a them?  
 
You better get typing your letters to all of them.  You gonna be a busy fella, setting them all straight.

NO MORE PICTURES OF ACCIDENTS! DANG YOU ALL!

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 So do we all know the story here?

Would it have mattered if it was a truck or a car that was turning?  It was so horribly foggy it was insane. 

Would it have helped if the person who clipped the semi wasn't driving too fast?  Or if the others who came onto the wreck weren't driving probably too fast too?

Why didn't the other vehicles cancel their travel plans until the fog cleared?

See what I mean?  Lots of reaction to this but let's remember several people were driving in adverse conditions and most likely at speeds too high for conditions. These unfortunate folks ran into bad luck helped along by choices made and weather conditions. Mostly weather conditions played a role. 

I was on lake sakakawea and I should have not been on the water. At least I put my life jacket on and lights. Strange lonely feeling trusting your gps to guide you. All it would have took was a guy tearing down the lake at 50 thinking he had nothing to worry about. And I would have been a casualty. I tooled close to shore and drove 20 the whole time. 


 

 

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What would you rather run in to..a trailer holding 150 barrels of oil or a half ton pickup?  Your right though, we all need to question our travel needs in conditions like that.  I chose to keep going except I was going 45 instead of 70.  When I came up on the accident near the intersection of 83 and 23, I had about 5 seconds to react to a guy waving a LED light to when I seen the first vehicle in the middle of the road.  Fortunately, by then I was down to 20 MPH, so it was quite manageable.  

There's a lot of oil companies out there though that preach about land transportation safety policies but then get all bent up because they have to shut a well in when the trucks aren't running.  Kind of hypocritical isn't it?  Those long vehicles don't have the time to get across intersections like that driving blind.  

I don't know....I don't have all the answers, but there's a lot of turning a blind eye to things that can be prevented or at least mitigated.  

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 So do we all know the story here?

Would it have mattered if it was a truck or a car that was turning?  It was so horribly foggy it was insane. 

Would it have helped if the person who clipped the semi wasn't driving too fast?  Or if the others who came onto the wreck weren't driving probably too fast too?

Why didn't the other vehicles cancel their travel plans until the fog cleared?

See what I mean?  Lots of reaction to this but let's remember several people were driving in adverse conditions and most likely at speeds too high for conditions. These unfortunate folks ran into bad luck helped along by choices made and weather conditions. Mostly weather conditions played a role. 

I was on lake sakakawea and I should have not been on the water. At least I put my life jacket on and lights. Strange lonely feeling trusting your gps to guide you. All it would have took was a guy tearing down the lake at 50 thinking he had nothing to worry about. And I would have been a casualty. I tooled close to shore and drove 20 the whole time. 

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 My point was if it was a pickup or car pulling out people would still have died. How those vehicles were smashed in tells me people were cruising. It just happened to be a truck. Could have been a farmer hauling, or a food pride services truck or whatever. The oil makes it look all crazy with flames, etc. reminds me of my brother. Years ago he say at junction of 83 and 23. Had to haul to velva. He sat at the junction for like 20 minutes and not a single car went by. With no end in sight for fog he went for it as had about 200 to 300 feet of visibility. Then bam, guy hits the back part of trailer. Cops said there was skid marks indicating the guy was driving at 70 or over. Way too fast for conditions. My brother was given the ticket. Fair?  Maybe. But again, we could play the what if game and completely alleviate the truck driver. I haven't heard the official cause. Just that a pickup clipped the trailer creating the mess. 


 

 

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 I know what you're saying.  I wish there was an easy answer to fix all this, but that's not reality.  90 percent of drivers could drive to the conditions and the 10 percent that don't give a crap would still cause accidents with the ones driving cautious.  

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 My point was if it was a pickup or car pulling out people would still have died. How those vehicles were smashed in tells me people were cruising. It just happened to be a truck. Could have been a farmer hauling, or a food pride services truck or whatever. The oil makes it look all crazy with flames, etc. reminds me of my brother. Years ago he say at junction of 83 and 23. Had to haul to velva. He sat at the junction for like 20 minutes and not a single car went by. With no end in sight for fog he went for it as had about 200 to 300 feet of visibility. Then bam, guy hits the back part of trailer. Cops said there was skid marks indicating the guy was driving at 70 or over. Way too fast for conditions. My brother was given the ticket. Fair?  Maybe. But again, we could play the what if game and completely alleviate the truck driver. I haven't heard the official cause. Just that a pickup clipped the trailer creating the mess. 

No way to know what the result would have been if the accident had not involved flammable material.  The victims may have had a chance if the fire had not happened.  The DOT rules that I recall put the responsibility by and large on the driver,  wish they would have the repercussions run uphill to the trucking company and even the person / company calling out the work.  Correct me if I am wrong but the oil in the tanker more than likely was not "owned" by an oil company but by an intermediary (oil buyer, transport company) so the oil company may have a legal loophole to use.  Several persons made a decision to have that tanker with flammable material on the road.  If I call for a pizza and the domino's guy says it is too foggy, I call pizza hut.  If I call an oilfield service to be there at 8 and get told they can't make it until 12 because of DOT rules, I call their competition.  The vendors that get you the best service are the ones on speed dial.  If I don't look for the best service, the people I answer too will find someone that will. 

                                                                                                                         

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Just curious as to how many people actually check the weather/road condition reports on the ND DOT web site or call 511 prior to heading out on the road?

I work in the oil field and the company I work for checks, discusses and verifies these items before we travel and put our employees on the road. We do the things we can to control what we can - what we can't do is control the behavior of other drivers!

I preach to my guys all the time that there is no job that needs to be done so fast that we cannot take the time to do it safe!

So before you guys go bashing on the oil field as being the cause of all things - slow down, look in the mirror, get off your damn phones and watch the road! Lets work together people -we all use the same highways and we all need to drive defensively and watch out for each other.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those who were lost in this tragic accident - it didn't have to happen!

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Just curious as to how many people actually check the weather/road condition reports on the ND DOT web site or call 511 prior to heading out on the road?

I work in the oil field and the company I work for checks, discusses and verifies these items before we travel and put our employees on the road. We do the things we can to control what we can - what we can't do is control the behavior of other drivers!

I preach to my guys all the time that there is no job that needs to be done so fast that we cannot take the time to do it safe!

So before you guys go bashing on the oil field as being the cause of all things - slow down, look in the mirror, get off your damn phones and watch the road! Lets work together people -we all use the same highways and we all need to drive defensively and watch out for each other.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those who were lost in this tragic accident - it didn't have to happen!

                                                    

God, Family, Green Bay Packers!

Johnny 7

joe h
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Joined: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:50pm

Real fucking simple. Less than a quarter mile stay home or park at a rest stop/convenience store until it clears. But I guess if it isn't written in the century code, keep driving.