6.5X284 Norma Rifle

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6.5X284 Norma Rifle

I'm looking at buying a Savage model 111 longe range hunter chambered in the 6.5x284 Norma. I was wondering if anyone has much experience with this caliber and if so any reloader advise as I will be making my own rounds. It will be mostly for hunting whitetails, and reloading tinkering a little so i'm looking for expereinces on bullets (types, weights, et.) and powders. I am not looking for someones opinion on if its a good gun or cartridge just some advise. I wanted something different cause I don't know anyone that has one and so I want one. Also any tips on what kind of scope to pair with it, I have some ideas but would like to hear someother ones keeping in mind I will be hunting with it some. Hopefully when I get things in order there will be pics to share.

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I don't what he was reloading but i know a guy that builds guns and does shooting competions. He uses his 6.5 284 for "the mile shot" competition.


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So far thats one thing I know is that the 6.5x284 has been a very reliable competion 1000yd round. I like to tinker on things and looking at this kind of gun set up gives me another toy to take hunting, weekend shooting (spareingly because I know the brass will be pricey), and a platform to just play and build on over the next few years. For instance one of the scopes I am considering is a Nikko Stirling Nighteater with a mil-dot retical or maybe a nikkon BDC (decision decisions). Any other scope ideas could prove helpfull.

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 I had a bdc but discovered i did not like it for hunting purposes. There was just too much goin on in the scope for me to focus.I replaced it with a leupold vx3 with cds turrets. I spent alot of time on the range with them and am now confident with the turrets. Just another option to look at. I thought the holdovers would be nice but they just got in the way. I suggest trying before buying if possible. Good luck and have fun, few things are more fun than a new gun!

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In no particular order nightforce nsx,leupy,vortex, plus more dont know price range but any of those 3 will serve you better than the beefeater or nikon would for going the distance.  140 bergers i have heard are pretty awsome out of that gun with bbl life of mabey 800-1000 rounds depending on how hard it is shot.  any thing bdc is a gimmick joke.

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 I shoot a 6.5x55 Ackley BJ ,it is almost a clone of the 6.5 x284.The plus is I can fire form factory ammo. 

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 Dont skimp on glass and run turrets. Sniper central and snipers hide have a good classified section and the members sell alot of long rangey stuff on there

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give me a call i have a 116 fluted stainless long range hunter i am selling.
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Sorry travis I got itchy and just bought a 111 LRH with a ok Bushnell scope that came with it. Figured I better get it before we have our baby girl which will be within a day or two. Not crazy about the glass but it will get me started and I plan on saving my money and finding what I really want. Thanks everyone for all the tips and advice. Next step brass, powder and bullets.

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no problem. mine loves 123gr lapua sceners with a full charge of reloader 22. have fun with the new addition i have 2 little girls at home.

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Do use that as a hunting load? What powder range can you run for RL22? I have never used sceners or RL22 yet. It seems that most powders I have looked up are in the mid 50gr range.

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So what are the benefits of this caliber?  I have never understood it's popularity.  Don't believe it is a extremely accurate round.  A 260 will drive a 130 at 2950fps with three times the barrel life.  A 7wsm will drive a 168 at 3000fps with the same amount of barrel life.  I don't think the amount of velocity is worth the reduced barrellife compared to the 260 and the 7wsm just plain out performs it hands down.

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blipelt Said:
So what are the benefits of this caliber?  I have never understood it's popularity. 

260 allows more COAL latitude with which to find mag-box/throat harmony in a short action.  6.5-06 is the way I'd fly in a long action.

IMO, the 284Win and all of it's necked down varieties only truly shine in an ultralight package utilizing a short action and "hunting" bullets that allow for COAL to be such that case capacity is maximized while staying within magazine box confines.

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Horsager, please don't rip me for being an ignoramus, but what is COAL? What are your thoughts on the 260 Remington?

 

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complete over all length,

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wishiwuzhunting Said:
Horsager, please don't rip me for being an ignoramus, but what is COAL? What are your thoughts on the 260 Remington?

Cartridge Over All Length

The 260 can do anything you'd need it to in North America short of maybe a Griz.  The 260 wouldn't be my choice if gunning factory ammo simply because there's not a lot of variety.  If handloading is an option then the 260 is very flexible and capable whether you're shooting targets or hunting critters.

Not quite sure why I've gravitated away from everything 6.5MM, I don't, and never have owned even one.  25t's and .277's and .284's but never a 6.5 (.264).

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Got it, thanks Horsager!

 

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From what I have heard the 6.5X284 is a very accurate round, mild recoil (plus my new savage has a muzzle brake), and can carry good energy. Does it do anything great that other rounds can't do? NO! It is just a tinker toy for me and my dad to reload for and that my wife should be able to handle for whitetail this year. I have shot a 7mm Rem Mag for 7yrs with 140gr bullets, last 4yrs with barnes tsx/ttsx and love it but the heavy trigger pull and recoil will give the wife a bad case of flinches. For those who have questions on if this gun will be any good I will be sure to document my progress with it, an if that isn't good enough anyone can come along sometime and I will be happy to prepare the crow if they will eat it. My dad has an old Japanease military rifle in 6.5mm someone made into a sporter and he has shot more deer with a 87gr bullet than any other of his rifle. Its not always the tool it is just how you use it. Good shot equal good results.

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 Given the brake, get plugs in her ears and muffs over them.  IMO, the "noise" is worse than the "shove".

That rifle with a scope on board and 3 rounds in it's belly is gonna be 10#+.  I hope you've got somewhere for wifey to sit with it as that's a fair amount to carry and it's really a LOT to expect someone to shoot well off-hand.

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My good friend has a 6.5- 284 and luves it and i had one built just like it. I havnt shot mine yet but his is a fun rifle to shoot without a brake.  I have 7mm rem mags and its recoil is way less.  He shoots 140 vld bergers behind 4831SC with unreal groups. He had good luck with retumbo also but 4831 was more accurate and less dirty. He gets about 3050 velosity and he uses lupua brass. Im not positive on his grains of powder but im sure u can find some workup starting points. The 140 grain vld has a bc of .612 which matches my 168 7mm bergers without the recoil and a little more velosity than the 7mm rem mags i have. Another gun i didnt need but really liked my friends so had to have one. Good luck i think you will really like this caliber for deer.

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luvcatchinbass I will let you beat me when it counts this summer in F-class competition or varmint shoot.  Course I have never been much for the taste of crow. 

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cwm your info. is what I was after.  140 at 3050fps is it a 28" tube or 26"?  Are they in a short action or long action?

When I built my 260match last year I looked at the 6.5X284 because of your friends(JV).  I didn't have any hard data on it just what I read.  The barrel life is about the same as the bigger 7mms with less recoil.  But if you brake it does it really matter.  Only factor is a little more powder.  The 260(3000rnd barrel life) will drive a 130berger at 2950 and at a 1000yds. have 7"more of wind drift in a 10mph wind than the 6.5X284. 

I stand corrected about the 168 7wsm.  I ran mine at 3100fps and burned the barrel out in 800+rounds.  Kind of why I am after the better barrel life.  One year and dumping 500more  into another barrel after spending 3000+ on rifle.  Wasn't working for me.

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Is this an ideal rifle for free hand? Nope. Is there better calibers to carry a 120-130gr bullet? You bet. Is the ammo spendy and hard to find? Yep. As CWM said "do I need another rifle in the cabinet?" definatley No. Will this be another gun for when the family goes out to shoot and have fun? Yes. I don't think I have to defend my decision because of others opinions which are still usefull because I figure I can always learn from others. Anyways half the damage is done I bought the rifle and a box of shells to tide me over before I get my new dies, power and bullets. This is not a ballistic fasination just my attemp to be different. I would like to try competition BLIPELT as I have never shot comp, and by the looks of things I could learn a thing or two or three from you but that doesn't mean I won't try my darndest to do well. As for the hunting situation I have it pretty easy with not having to walk a mile, and I scout alot and plan my setups but keep myself flexible for changes. If she pulls a tag for this year I have confidence that I can give her a very good oportunity at a clean shot, wheather its a buck of doe is yet to be seen. If she dosen't get a tag I might have to put down the trusty 7mm for one deer season at least.

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Not trying to make you defend your decision.  Not my intent, I am after hard data on this round, I want real world data.  My apology for making you think this and defend it.  Savage had enough faith in this round to put it into production.  That should speak for itself.  I want to know why the 6.5X284 and not 6.5wsm, 260 etc....  Was it that quality brass wasn't available or what?   

Don't let my opinions or anyone elses opinions matter to you.  I have spoken of it before and will say it again.  A friend went out to MT. with a new caliber for benchrest shooting.  The so called experts laughed at him.  He almost didn't compete, at the end of the comp. he cleaned house.  Now has 10 World Records and multiple National Championships.  I will learn as much from you as you will from me.   

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http://www.6mmbr.com/SixFive284.html  A little light reading about the 6.5X284

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blipelt
These guns have 26 inch kreiger barrels and could shoot faster but accuracy was trump over speed. I dont shoot any competition and was curiouis what u guys thought about barrel life when not shooting 10 round strings or competition. Just thought maybe a guy would get longer barrel life if only shooting 2 to 3 shot groups at a time compared to what a competition requires the shooter to do. I only hunt and plate shoot and very seldom fire more than 2 to 3 rounds before letting the barrel cool. In most cases i make a trip out to my range and fire a cold bore shot and thats it,  thats really the one that counts for hunting. Whats your guys thought on barrel life when shooting like this?

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blipelt, thanks for the link. I actually did read it before I bought the rifle, but its is nice to know that you are just trying to give info like I did ask. cwm has good points and I think is looking at things a little more clear to my situation, I don't worry about burning a barrel because I don't shoot 10 shot strings much, the norm is 3-5rounds and normally 1 at an animal. hopefully this weekend I will get a few rounds down range from the factory loads I bought and I will have a better evaluation of what I think of the whole set up. Unfortunatly my wife will not be coming as we just had a baby girl this weekend, but I was told I need to be out of the house on sunday for a few hrs.

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Competition is tough on a rifle, but I think you learn so much from it.  My end result is much like you the ability for one shot(1moa target) hits at ranges out to 1000yds.  I am just traveling in a different direction to get there.  I want to be the best reloader I can, make consistent load recipes. The benchrest shooters are the best hands down at this.  They shoot itty bitty groups.  F-class will give you instantaneous feedback on the shots.  They pull the target and mark it every shot.  I believe this is the best way to learn your environmentals.  F-class shooters are excellent at doping the wind.  If you shoot five shots at steel and hit all five shots.  Then check the target out to find out you have a flier now you aren't sure what caused it.  Environmental, reloading or shooting technique.  Competition is expensive, but it will make you a better shooter.  Also you will be hanging out with like minded people who have been down a similar road and can point you in a direction that might skip a couple steps for you.

This might sound funny but the more you learn the closer you will get when hunting.  You learn all the "what ifs" in your reloading, environmentals, and shooting technique will cause you to rethink your shot, even though a year ago you wouldn't have hesitated to take the shot at least it has for me.   I had the 15lb tactical rifles and ended up with a 12lb rifle I can shoot off hand and setup if I need a 800yd shot.  It was expensive lesson to learn.

Horsager put it best barrels are like tires, consumable.  You can rechamber or polish before you have to buy a new one.  

Hope I see you at Moffit or Pierre SD

Brent 

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cwm I have read that barrel life seems to be rather low.  I would shoot it until the accuracy diminishes and copper fouling increases and take it in and have it bore scoped.  If it is shot out you can have it polished or a inch cut off and rechambered for a couple hundred.  You have to admit though it is a awesome bullet.  Mine is 100fps slower with a 10gr. less bullet and it has done some damage on coyotes and a cow elk at longer ranges. 

Brent

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 Ya I agree the vld bullet has been a dandy and has me hooked. I would love to Attend some matches but it just hasn't worked out for me yet. Some day I guess

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Blipelt don't compare what is hot now in calibers, to what guys like each to their own. I have shoot for many years and have seen calibers come and go 308, 7mm-08,6ppc, 6.5-284 and now dashers etc.. They all work just fine. As in all sports nothing is cheap. I remember in old days we use to lobe the bullets in,now it is all about speed and heavy bullets to help dope wind and light recoil. You have to remember 90% of most guys will never shoot out a barrel in their life time. Competition shooting will. You are right I learned more from that kind of shooting to help in real life hunting. Also we strive to shoot tiny groups for target and on live animals it is a big difference not so important. Its all about being with good people and having fun. Maybe I will see you at shoot.

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Wall-eyes it is looking good so far my action shipped out today.  I have my barrel, trigger, scopes and a SEB rest.  Next week the stock should be shipped.  I was told a month at the smith and I will have a rifle. 

You are right I shouldn't try to compare calibers.  Things just intrigue me, like why do we use SS barrels when CM heats up slower supposedly.  Maybe we don't need to know all the answers but it sure is fun trying to learn them.

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got to shoot the new rifle on sunday. It was just 15rounds and a quick and dirty 100yrd site-in and to get the feel of the new rifle and all I have to say is that is ONE SWEET SHOOTING GUN. I am still not crazy about the Bushnell scope that came with it, so that may go to my father-in-law for one of his but for all purposes right now it works for me. I think this will definatley be a fun hunting and reloading caliber and gun to work with. Thanks to those who actually gave me scope ideas and some direction on powder loads.

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lovecatchinbass I have a Cooper in 6.5X284.  At 100 yards you can use your bullet holes for targets.  The shape of the case makes it sort of the first short magnum.

Look at this site: http://www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html

With R17 your velocity will be right up there with the 264 Win mag.  I use it with the 140 gr Berger VLD.  At 800 yards it has more energy than my 300WSM.  My 300 Win mag beats it, but it has a 28 inch Bartlein barrel and the chamber is specifically reamed for the 210 gr Berger VLD.

I didn't have the bucks for a Nightforce so my rifle is topped with a Vortex 6.5 to 20 power.  Groups at 100 yards are under .2 inches.  I use a low load of R22 for the 142 gr SMK.  The Berger do just as well on targets, but the barrel will last longer with mild loads and the SMK are about half the price.

The Lapua brass will run you about $130 per 100.  If you have a case trimmer you can get into neck turning for about $35.  I buy Winchester 284 brass at Scheels and turn them to .013 thickness after resizing.  Resize first then anneal your brass after sizing.  The brass is hard and the necks will crack after a few loads if you don't anneal.  Also, if you anneal before you resize the shoulder will collapse when you resize the neck.

Any other questions feel free to send me a message. 

Oh, I like the 260 Remington also, but I think I am going to throw a 6.5 Creedmore barrel on my Savage Weather Warrior.  It's a 22-250 now, but will convert with nothing changed but the barrel. 

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Plainsman, the Vortex 6.5-20, is it a Viper? How do you like it? I found a deal on one in Rapid City.

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I saw a cooper at scheels and thats why I started looking into the gun but for the money and something I want to use for hunting I couldn't swing it. Then as I looked I found this savage 111 LRH at half the price that gives me room for good glass. Right now I plan on using Lapua brass, got the dies on order, but not sure on the powder H4831, H4831sc, R22. That R22 looks like a good canidate right now, thanks for the link. When you say a low load of R22 what grain range are you in?

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huntorride365, yes I like the Vortex, and yes it's a Viper.  For the money it's hard to beat the glass, but there are a few points where they could improve.  Clarity is good all the way to 20X, but from 16 to 20X you loose some eye relief.  The biggest drawback for me is the turrets don't have a hex screw to lock them in place.  You simply lift them up to disengage and set them back to zero.  In the prone position you have to be careful not to lift as you turn the turrets. 

Ya, the Cooper is the only rifle of that cost that I have.  My wife bought it for me for retirement. 

luvcathinbass, I normally don't talk about powder loads on the internet, but this one is so low I will share it.  One of my manuals lists 45 gr of R22 as the low load.  I called Cooper and they said 44 gr of R22 is what they shot the target with, that comes with the rifle.  So I load 45 grains.  It is slow, but the barrel will last a lot longer.  For hunting I use R17 and followed the recommendations of the link I provided you.  I get 2965 fps out of a 26 inch barrel with the low end load that they recommend.  That's with the 140 Berger VLD Hunting bullet.

Many people say this cartridge will give me a barre life of 800 rounds.  Others I talk to who have one say yes if your talking bench rest competition, but if your talking hunting think more like 2000 rounds. 

lovcathinbass, I know a fellow who has the same rifle you do.  With H4831, R22, and R17 he is shooting groups between .25 and .3 inches.  His velocity is slightly lower than mine because the muzzle brake is part of the 26 inch over all length of his barrel.  The real working portion of his barrel is only about 24 inches.  Still you have a great rifle.  

One thing I notice about the 6.5 caliber.  They are not that impressive at the muzzle, but start talking 800 yards and beyond and they really shine.  The little 6.5 Creedmore walks all over my 308 at 1000 yards. 

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Thank you Plainsman, clarity at the higher level was my concern. Found it for $399 so am going to call them and have it sent to me.

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I have been hearing this style of viper the turrets are falling apart.  Good customer service they replace promptly.  I would go after the PST.

Brent