.308 for deer hunting

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mallardduck
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.308 for deer hunting

Is there any advantage in a .308 over a 30-06 or 7mm?
How is the recoil on the .308?

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The .308 will bounce off deer.

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IMHO I dont think there are any advantages of a 308 compared to a 7MM. I would take a 7MM hands down of the three calibers you propose. I am not a fan of the 30-06 but i'm sure it has it's place.

 

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Only small framed little girls should be allowed to use a .308, and even then there should be at least 3 other people shooting out of the other windows. Any real man is going to use a .458 to have any hope of killing a deer!

 

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They are all proficient deer killers. I'd bet my left ^ut the .06 had killed 10x the big game as a 7mm.

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3x,
i,d bet my right one the 30-30
has killed more deer than all other
cal,s combined.i ran off and left my
270 ammo at home,a few years ago.couldn,t find
a gas station with anything but 06,30-30.
those are the 2 i deer hunt with now.

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I would take the 308 over 06 any day for the reason is it will do any thing the 06 six will with half the recoil and will take down any north American game it is one of the most coefficient rounds out there and is also very popular with the military as a sniper round that should tell you a lot about the range on the 308 also the 7mm-08 is another very good round and as far as the 30-30 takeing the most deer the caliber that kills more deer in a year is the 22 rim fire used by poachers. according to g&f

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But remember bowman1969, the most famous and accomplished sniper in history used an '06 ;)

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From a 25-06 to a 300 Win Mag( just picking a range) all will kill deer cleanly and effectively at ranges beyond most peoples ablity to put the round on target. Today we have a host of quality bullets and loads for guns direct from the factory that just a few years ago one had to hand load to use.

As you drop in size of caliber recoil goes down with the exceptions of the new fatty magnums. Then you have the personal choice of long action or short action in a bolt. Myself I have been using a 30-06 for 30+ years. During that time I have used larger calibers and smaller calibers but go back to the 06. It has more to do with confidence in the rifle I am using more than anything.

Maybe its because it Monday, but another my caliber is better than your caliber thread just seems redundant!

So to sum up an answer to your question, the 308 is a fine caliber with a host of bullet choices for it, same as the 06! Both will take any game in North America. For some species there are possibly better choices such as dangerous game like grizzly.

So you make the call! There is nothing new regarding these calibers. Gravity affects a 150 grain bullet the same out of any gun. Speed that the bullet is traveling determines drop at any given range.

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I have a .308 and it has proven to be a great deer caliber. I think the ammo is a little cheaper too. Like Bowman1969 said it is used by the military for snipers. It has a great range but I havn't tested it that way. I don't like to take those extreme shots.

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Put a couple of M118's through a 7.62x51 of the M40A1ish variety. Recoil is mild, relatively cheap to shoot, plenty o energy to kill basically anything in North American, very accurate round, absolutely tons of reloading info. available, plenty o bullets to chose from, if reloading is not an option factory ammo is easy to come by....ect.

Same could be said of the '06, however that would be a Ford/Chevy type of deal. Me, I dive a Ford and shoot a 308. For what its worth.

Furthermore, what the phuck is a "^ut?" ;)

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Caliber debates are funny.

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Come on guys. Everybody needs to jump on this thread and explain how their pet cannon is so superior to everything else out there because it shoots so flat, has so much energy, etc.

Mallard, you answered your own question. Recoil is a big advantage for the .308. Nothing wrong with the 06 or most other deer calibers but the .308 is very pleasant to shoot.

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Mallardduck,

You picked the wrong place to ask a fair and simple question. You might as well have asked if Hillary would make a good president or if Dodge trucks are superior to Ford and Chevy. If you learn nothing else from this you should have learned that "most" of these guys don't realy have a clue, only an opinion. Your opinion is as good as their's. A lot of factors go into choosing the right caliber for you and the type of hunting you do. If you hunt thick trees or brush you're goint to want something to "punch" through and not ricorchet off. If you hunt wide open country you'll want a flat trajectory, etc.
Try discussing this with a trusted friend or gunsmith, someone who knows a lot about ballistics. Most of these guys have a very bad opinion of the 243 wich is the same casing as the 308 necked down to fit the smaller diameter bullet. If you want a bunch of unresearched opinions....have at it Mallard. If you want fact and well researched information try the friend, dealer, or gunsmith. The important thing is that you trust that person.
Whatever caliber you decide on you'll have fun hunting and if you decide it's not right for you after you have used it in the field or range trade out of it. Good luck to you.

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Why do you want a flat trajectory in open country?

Is there a rope sale somewhere? I think I may need to buy more.

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way to go marshcarp,now it,s
going to start,10,9,8,7,......

blast off

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Some guy who used to hang around this website named Jiffy maintained .308 bullets bounced off deer, but we all know that was just his excuse for missing!
HHMM?!? bounce off at 20 yards???

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The most inherintly accurate caliber of them all, based upon cartridge design is the 308. I am not sure who made that statement as a fact, but I have read that in more than one hunting magazine - and no, it wasn't an ad trying to sell 308s either.

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He also said a 223 would bounce off a deer. Or maybe it was that it would just bruise a deer, I can't remember. ;)

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Posted by SlewShark!

"If you hunt thick trees or brush you're goint to want something to "punch" through and not ricorchet off. If you hunt wide open country you'll want a flat trajectory, etc."

Mallardduck,the above post is precisely what I was referring to. The law of physics applies to all calibers. There are no brush busters or super flat shooting calibers. It is not rocket science.

Now if you want to know which caliber is cheaper to hand load, what twist is best for certain bullet types. How one bullet design is better than another and how they handle speed.

For example I was looking at a rifle with a unique twist in a caliber. So I asked someone who knows, he confirmed what I thought. That type of info can be found here, but physics are physics

Like I said before recoil is the difference in these calibers based on design of the case and bullet weight. When I shoot a 125 gr bullet vs a 220 gr bullet out of my 06 the recoil is greater with the 220. Physics again!

So if you shoot a 308 with 150 gr bullet and you are using less powder than what is being used in the 30-06 the 06 is going to recoil more and also have a greater muzzle velocity and put that 150 gr bullet farther down range in the same amount of time than the 308. Some would then say that the 06 shoots flatter.

Others will go the other way. Taking a 130 gr bullet out of a 308 and push it the same speed or faster than a 150 gr bullet out of the 30-06 and claim the 308 is faster and flatter shooting.

This is a misrepresentation at its best. Jack O'Connor was the person who started this myth when promoting the .270!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Leave out the .244's for the doubters then compare modern bottle-necked cartriges from 257 Roberts up to the 300 Winchester and you're unlikely to find a hill of beans difference in trajectory out to 400yds,(save the odd outlier or really large case ie. 257Wby, 7STW, 300Ultra, etc). Then it comes down to putting a quality bullet into the vitals. That task is much more dependant on the shooter than what caliber he/she is shooting.

Buy a caliber you can shoot comfortably and can afford to pratice with often.

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7.62 millemeter full metal jacket - pilgrim

If you are a foot hunter or a roady the 308 is the ticket. You now can get short barrel (carbine) type semi's that are highly accurate - you can have 19 rounds off before your partner with the ultra mag can pull off his safe.

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Ultra mag this buddy - see that deer in the field - its mine

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The AR-10 really is a thing of beauty.

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Is the AR-10 lower the same as th AR-15.

If it flies it dies!

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no

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Those big calibers are for hunters that can't get within 200 yards of a whitetail!

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I currently shoot a T3 06. Fine gun...... I also shot a Savage 308 for many years. Less recoil. Made longer shots with the 308 also. 308 was money @ 600 yards. Still having confidence issues with the 06.

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Those big calibers are for hunters that can't get within 200 yards of a whitetail!

murdock1978 | Mar 18, 2008 9:05AM
Now murdock, why would I want to shoot a small caliber rifle when I can shoot one with a bigger boom and scare the deer to death if I miss at 20 yards? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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maybe people buy big calibers so they have 1 rifle big enough for other big game like elk or moose, or maybe that is the caliber of the gun they inhereted

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Or Maybe: There is nothing wrong with any caliber and we should all own as many as we can afford. (as long as the wife doesn't know). heh, heh,heh

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Good to see a sense of humor on the web site!My hunting buddy of many years shoots a .308 lever action.Sweet shooting gun!I shoot a .260 rem for whitetails some say its a ladies gun!I don't really give a ratts behind!I also have a 3006 which i used for 20 years or more,didn't matter were i hit them they were going down or it slowed them up enough were i could get on more round in them!We are talking whitetails here!Pretty thin skined animal!

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From what i understand a 308 will cleanly kill a deer sized animal out to 500 yards, if you want to go farther then that and kill(not just hit) get your self a magnum like a 338 lapua or 300 weatherby even the 300 or 338 win mag. But that is shooting with no doubt a 308 in most hunting situations will cleanly kill a whitetail. A friend of mine has used his to kill 3 moose so far so i am sure it has the umph.

Good luck happy hunting

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For god's sake people are you seriously debating whether a .308 will "cleanly" kill a whitetail?

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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"For god's sake people are you seriously debating whether a .308 will "cleanly" kill a whitetail?"

3XGutshot

Of course!!! You should know that unless it has Mag or Ultra Mag or Super Short Mag all it can kill is a prairie dog or maybe if close enough a skunk!!! LOL!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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well I guess unless a bullet is pushing 4000 fps

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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I wonder how the 7.62x39 would sell if it were re-introduced as the .311 baby mag or light mag?

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again - my 308 will be out of the truck and shots fired before you can even pull out that long barrelled 300 ultra 338 or 300W.

500 yds - I have 20 rounds and the empty's are laying on the ground before I have to touch anything but a trigger. By the time you are pulling off the safe on that big ultra - "MY" deer is on the ground and its not blown to hell.

Tested and proved over and over again - you cant go wrong with 308 or 06 - have some faith in our military. The price of brass, lead and powder is going up up up. Both of these rounds are both economical to purchase or to reload. You have to reload if your gonna own a big mag.

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Sounds sporting as heck, shorthairs! LOL You should put one of those things they make for .22's with a crank on the trigger guard and get a decent sized clip (?100 rounds maybe?) and then you could really knock em down.

I can't stand to use little pipsqueaks like 308's and any of the sort of big booming ultra mags! I use my old Sharps and rolling block black powder .50 - 70's! It would kill cleany at 200 yards! Maybe even a little further if there was a good tail wind! Of course hitting anything smaller than a grain elevator at that distance would be very problematic. Maybe I could adapt a sighting mechanism off a morter or howitzer. Maybe Horsager has a ballistic table to tell me how many degrees elevation it would take! ??45 degrees? or even a bit more with that tail wind! LOL

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Maybe we can build you a subtension apature for a peep sight!

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You could call it a .311 ultra infant or ultra embryo mag.
My own ballistic table say a .45 - 70 405 grain lead bullet at 1450 fps arcs 16 1/2 feet above the line of sight when whooting at 1000 yards.
So my 450 grain lead bullet at 1200 fps at 2000 yards might arc 100 feet or so. But think of the possibilities! As the bullet would be dropping almost vertically when it hit the deer you wouldn't ruin any meat as long as you were good enough to hit him dead center!

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I have to laugh at you guys. i do read a lot of these forums and do not post much but there are times I have to chime in with my two cents.
in the 243 big enough for deer forum the general thought was that as long as you have great bullet placement you can use just about any centerfire rifle over .22 cal.
in the 300 win mag bullet forum it was the general thought that you cant use certain bullets because it would damage too much meat. what happened to shot placement?
now in this forum we go all across the spectrum again re-hashing things that we post in other forums. I can out shoot this dude quicker because he has a ultra mag and can't get on target, I have a brush busting gun that will shoot through any thing, You don't need a magnum because nothing shoots flatter every bullet drops.
We might all get along beter if we just post what works for us and end all this bashing because we don't need this blah blah blah!
I know what works for me. I don't need to argue my opinion either.
A .308 caliber will work on anything from coyote to moose. Pick what you would like to shoot and run with.

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Fconcolor, are you trying to say that gravity pretty much works the same for everything? That trajectory is easily predicted and always the same based on time of flight? BLASPHEMY!! (grin).

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I use a Sheperd Scope on a .308 and a '06. Practice all summer out to 800-900 yds. I have yet to meet a Deer or Antelope that the .308 round "bounced off". All calibers aside, the person person behind the trigger is the most impotant factor. A miss with a .308 or a 3oo Ultra Mag is a miss.....

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Uh Huh! .308 and .223 will bounce off a deer! Just ask Invector.....(inside joke)

This will probably not be the last time I say this but turrets with ample amount of available MOA trumps the "flat trajectory theory." Not to metion subtention reticles. Pick your flavor on that subject, they all work and are most definitely better than holding off into space somewhere.

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Guys go out and kills some snow geese or do some hole punching or just about anything as it seems the winter is getting to some here and are failing to see tongue in cheek posts for what they are!!!!!!

The question asked in this thread was anwsered in some of the first posts. The rest well read them again and you decide.

Tim we need emotions for this site to help keep emotions in check!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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just get a .308 Norma Mag, have it neck sized to 7 MM and put it in 30-06 length action and you will have all three covered,, who said to keep it simple..

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hardwaterman, where are the snow geese?

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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Outside.......

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Snow geese are very thick from Yankton to Mitchell SD. Saw it with my own eyes this week.

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