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Is there any advantage in a .308 over a 30-06 or 7mm?
How is the recoil on the .308?
The .308 will bounce off deer.
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IMHO I dont think there are any advantages of a 308 compared to a 7MM. I would take a 7MM hands down of the three calibers you propose. I am not a fan of the 30-06 but i'm sure it has it's place.
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Only small framed little girls should be allowed to use a .308, and even then there should be at least 3 other people shooting out of the other windows. Any real man is going to use a .458 to have any hope of killing a deer!
They are all proficient deer killers. I'd bet my left ^ut the .06 had killed 10x the big game as a 7mm.
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i,d bet my right one the 30-30
has killed more deer than all other
cal,s combined.i ran off and left my
270 ammo at home,a few years ago.couldn,t find
a gas station with anything but 06,30-30.
those are the 2 i deer hunt with now.
I would take the 308 over 06 any day for the reason is it will do any thing the 06 six will with half the recoil and will take down any north American game it is one of the most coefficient rounds out there and is also very popular with the military as a sniper round that should tell you a lot about the range on the 308 also the 7mm-08 is another very good round and as far as the 30-30 takeing the most deer the caliber that kills more deer in a year is the 22 rim fire used by poachers. according to g&f
But remember bowman1969, the most famous and accomplished sniper in history used an '06 ;)
From a 25-06 to a 300 Win Mag( just picking a range) all will kill deer cleanly and effectively at ranges beyond most peoples ablity to put the round on target. Today we have a host of quality bullets and loads for guns direct from the factory that just a few years ago one had to hand load to use.
As you drop in size of caliber recoil goes down with the exceptions of the new fatty magnums. Then you have the personal choice of long action or short action in a bolt. Myself I have been using a 30-06 for 30+ years. During that time I have used larger calibers and smaller calibers but go back to the 06. It has more to do with confidence in the rifle I am using more than anything.
Maybe its because it Monday, but another my caliber is better than your caliber thread just seems redundant!
So to sum up an answer to your question, the 308 is a fine caliber with a host of bullet choices for it, same as the 06! Both will take any game in North America. For some species there are possibly better choices such as dangerous game like grizzly.
So you make the call! There is nothing new regarding these calibers. Gravity affects a 150 grain bullet the same out of any gun. Speed that the bullet is traveling determines drop at any given range.
In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!
I have a .308 and it has proven to be a great deer caliber. I think the ammo is a little cheaper too. Like Bowman1969 said it is used by the military for snipers. It has a great range but I havn't tested it that way. I don't like to take those extreme shots.
Put a couple of M118's through a 7.62x51 of the M40A1ish variety. Recoil is mild, relatively cheap to shoot, plenty o energy to kill basically anything in North American, very accurate round, absolutely tons of reloading info. available, plenty o bullets to chose from, if reloading is not an option factory ammo is easy to come by....ect.
Same could be said of the '06, however that would be a Ford/Chevy type of deal. Me, I dive a Ford and shoot a 308. For what its worth.
Furthermore, what the phuck is a "^ut?" ;)
Caliber debates are funny.
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Come on guys. Everybody needs to jump on this thread and explain how their pet cannon is so superior to everything else out there because it shoots so flat, has so much energy, etc.
Mallard, you answered your own question. Recoil is a big advantage for the .308. Nothing wrong with the 06 or most other deer calibers but the .308 is very pleasant to shoot.
You picked the wrong place to ask a fair and simple question. You might as well have asked if Hillary would make a good president or if Dodge trucks are superior to Ford and Chevy. If you learn nothing else from this you should have learned that "most" of these guys don't realy have a clue, only an opinion. Your opinion is as good as their's. A lot of factors go into choosing the right caliber for you and the type of hunting you do. If you hunt thick trees or brush you're goint to want something to "punch" through and not ricorchet off. If you hunt wide open country you'll want a flat trajectory, etc.
Try discussing this with a trusted friend or gunsmith, someone who knows a lot about ballistics. Most of these guys have a very bad opinion of the 243 wich is the same casing as the 308 necked down to fit the smaller diameter bullet. If you want a bunch of unresearched opinions....have at it Mallard. If you want fact and well researched information try the friend, dealer, or gunsmith. The important thing is that you trust that person.
Whatever caliber you decide on you'll have fun hunting and if you decide it's not right for you after you have used it in the field or range trade out of it. Good luck to you.
Why do you want a flat trajectory in open country?
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way to go marshcarp,now it,s
going to start,10,9,8,7,......
Some guy who used to hang around this website named Jiffy maintained .308 bullets bounced off deer, but we all know that was just his excuse for missing!
HHMM?!? bounce off at 20 yards???
The most inherintly accurate caliber of them all, based upon cartridge design is the 308. I am not sure who made that statement as a fact, but I have read that in more than one hunting magazine - and no, it wasn't an ad trying to sell 308s either.
He also said a 223 would bounce off a deer. Or maybe it was that it would just bruise a deer, I can't remember. ;)
Posted by SlewShark!
"If you hunt thick trees or brush you're goint to want something to "punch" through and not ricorchet off. If you hunt wide open country you'll want a flat trajectory, etc."
Mallardduck,the above post is precisely what I was referring to. The law of physics applies to all calibers. There are no brush busters or super flat shooting calibers. It is not rocket science.
Now if you want to know which caliber is cheaper to hand load, what twist is best for certain bullet types. How one bullet design is better than another and how they handle speed.
For example I was looking at a rifle with a unique twist in a caliber. So I asked someone who knows, he confirmed what I thought. That type of info can be found here, but physics are physics
Like I said before recoil is the difference in these calibers based on design of the case and bullet weight. When I shoot a 125 gr bullet vs a 220 gr bullet out of my 06 the recoil is greater with the 220. Physics again!
So if you shoot a 308 with 150 gr bullet and you are using less powder than what is being used in the 30-06 the 06 is going to recoil more and also have a greater muzzle velocity and put that 150 gr bullet farther down range in the same amount of time than the 308. Some would then say that the 06 shoots flatter.
Others will go the other way. Taking a 130 gr bullet out of a 308 and push it the same speed or faster than a 150 gr bullet out of the 30-06 and claim the 308 is faster and flatter shooting.
This is a misrepresentation at its best. Jack O'Connor was the person who started this myth when promoting the .270!
Leave out the .244's for the doubters then compare modern bottle-necked cartriges from 257 Roberts up to the 300 Winchester and you're unlikely to find a hill of beans difference in trajectory out to 400yds,(save the odd outlier or really large case ie. 257Wby, 7STW, 300Ultra, etc). Then it comes down to putting a quality bullet into the vitals. That task is much more dependant on the shooter than what caliber he/she is shooting.
Buy a caliber you can shoot comfortably and can afford to pratice with often.
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If you are a foot hunter or a roady the 308 is the ticket. You now can get short barrel (carbine) type semi's that are highly accurate - you can have 19 rounds off before your partner with the ultra mag can pull off his safe.
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Ultra mag this buddy - see that deer in the field - its mine
The AR-10 really is a thing of beauty.
Is the AR-10 lower the same as th AR-15.
If it flies it dies!
Those big calibers are for hunters that can't get within 200 yards of a whitetail!
I currently shoot a T3 06. Fine gun...... I also shot a Savage 308 for many years. Less recoil. Made longer shots with the 308 also. 308 was money @ 600 yards. Still having confidence issues with the 06.
murdock1978 | Mar 18, 2008 9:05AM
Now murdock, why would I want to shoot a small caliber rifle when I can shoot one with a bigger boom and scare the deer to death if I miss at 20 yards? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe people buy big calibers so they have 1 rifle big enough for other big game like elk or moose, or maybe that is the caliber of the gun they inhereted
Or Maybe: There is nothing wrong with any caliber and we should all own as many as we can afford. (as long as the wife doesn't know). heh, heh,heh