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.308 and Barnes TTSX

Anyone have any experience using a .308 with these on deer or elk?

I'm thinking about trying them out in the 168 gr.

Thanks.

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In a 308 I would try 130's or 150's, definitely not any larger than that.

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In a 308 I would try 130's or 150's, definitely not any larger than that.

Agreed.

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 What's the reason? 


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TSX tend to not open as well at lower velocity, compared to lead bullets. You wanna keep velocity above 2000fps on impact. Also they dont blow up like lead bullets, so they penetrate well and dont shed weight. Light bullets pushed fast is the best bet with TSX. Smaller calibers will shed petals at high velocity on impact, but the larger ones dont seem to do this. I have shot 338 160grain tsx into water at 30 yards at about 3300fps and they stayed intact very well.

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Actually, here they are!

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 What's the reason? 


TSX's don't shed weight.  Partitions and all other lead core/copper jacket bullets do.

130gn TSX will still weigh 130gn when it gets to the far side of a critter.

165gn Partition assuming 75% weight retention (generous) will weigh 124gn.

The 130 will shoot flatter.

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 TSX dug from this years bull lost 4gn of bullet weight:


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What caliber/weight is that?

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Actually, here they are!

That is nasty awesome!

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Clay at what range was the critter and what do you think the velocity was on impact.  

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 200gn .308 via 300Win mag.  Impact velocity 2400-2450fps @ 250yds.

The 200gn TSX is most definitely a "do as I say not as I do" part of my battery.  I started out shooting 200gn Partitions when I 1st bought a 300win because the couple of guys I trusted best used them.  In '04 when I bought my 1st box of TSX's I just swapped in the same bullet weight and they shot great, much better than did partitions.  Now I've got too many component bullets on the shelf as well as loaded ammo to make the swap, especially given that I don't shoot the 300Win much at all any more.

Were I starting over with the 300win it'd be the 168 tipped.

I hadn't a 308Win in a sporter until very recently and if I keep it, I'll gun 130's, happily.  I saw some of the recovered 165TSX's from the TRNP elk reduction last year.  I'd rather gun 130's.

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 Ok, thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

Sounds like I'll be starting out with the 130's. Hopefully they shoot so well I won't even need to try the 150's.

My dad shot a muley at 280 yards with a 180 gr. out of his .300 mag last year and it was nothing short of amazing.


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Atypical Said:
Anyone have any experience using a .308 with these on deer or elk?

I'm thinking about trying them out in the 168 gr.

Thanks.

a little off topic  but on the way back hauling hay shot a coyote tonight  nice big male skinned him out  it had a exit hole about 1 1/2 inches  it wasn't the hole  I think it was the shock wave there wasn't an organ that didn't have a blood clot it looked almost like liquid jello   that is an amazing bullet but it has to be pushed fast
 used 25-06 at 3188 fps
 with 100 gr.
 

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 used 25-06 at 3188 fps
 with 100 gr.
 

You're leavin' at least 100fps on the table, more if you're 24" or better.

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Sorry if I've asked this before.  Is there any appreciable difference in OAL with the TSX family and C&C?

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 No would be the short answer.

Stoney Point OAL guage with a comparitor comes in handy when you decide to load to your particular chambers specs instead of SAAMI.  At that point, every bullet is different independent of construction.

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Thanks Horsager.

I'd like to get into the handloading game at some time, mainly for my son's upcoming M-70/M-700/M-7/M-77 in 7/08.  I'm intriqued by the speed but more concerned with accuracy.  IMHE, the .284 is meant for a 150, the .308 is meant for 165 etc.  I don't have the time or the jack for intricate tweeking.   

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Thanks Horsager.

I'd like to get into the handloading game at some time, mainly for my son's upcoming M-70/M-700/M-7/M-77 in 7/08.  I'm intriqued by the speed but more concerned with accuracy.  IMHE, the .284 is meant for a 150, the .308 is meant for 165 etc.  I don't have the time or the jack for intricate tweeking.   

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 used 25-06 at 3188 fps
 with 100 gr.
 

You're leavin' at least 100fps on the table, more if you're 24" or better.

Yeppers.....pushing mine to 3300ish and it is a killer!

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PS:   the 308 just screams for the 130 TTSX

Match made in heaven

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Thanks Jiffy,
 
As you probably surmised. I was concerned about twist rate.

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48.5 gr of Varget, BR2, Fed brass neck sized, and 130 TTSX loaded to your mag box.  That combo shoots out of EVERY 308 it's been tried in.

Take it to the bank....you can thank me later. 

around 3100ish is your goal. 

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  IMHE, the .284 is meant for a 150, the .308 is meant for 165 etc. 

120/130 respectively, especially on the .473" cases be they 51MM or 63MM.  One could make a case for tipped 140's and 168's via .532" cases and their increased propellant capacity.

I gotta get a .532" based 7 running 120's if only just to see what's what.

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I gotta get a .532" based 7 running 120's if only just to see what's what.

And stopping you is what? 

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Not trying to hyjak the thread but what do Jiffy and Horsager think about the Barnes in the 30-06?  Any load suggestions? 

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Jiffy Said:

Horsager Said:

I gotta get a .532" based 7 running 120's if only just to see what's what.

And stopping you is what? 

Picking which one.

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Not trying to hyjak the thread but what do Jiffy and Horsager think about the Barnes in the 30-06?  Any load suggestions? 

130's or 150's and Ramshot Hunter or R-19.

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If you can get 3100 from .308 what do you shoot for in 30-06?  Rem 700 CDL stainless fluted?

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3100 with 130s

for what it's worth I have 130 TTSX going 3400 out of my 300 win mag.  It shoots around .75 MOA out to 300.  I haven't had the chance to push it further......yet.   

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Jiffy give me the lowdown on TSX VS TTSX?  Also 3100 for safety reasons or just so the 06 doesnt go faster than your beloved .308?

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I see ya beat me to it ;)  I have a pretty good load sub Moa with 165 speer hot-core out to 300.  But lookin to drink the coolaid on barnes.

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TTSX is a win win.  No reason to start with anything else in my opinion.

Every bullet has a speed which it likes.  If you ask me, out of a 308 or an '06 I'd shoot for 3100.

I do know that the 130 TTSX also likes to run around 3400, however, out of an '06 you'd be press'en your luck gett'en there.

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48.5 gr of Varget, BR2, Fed brass neck sized, and 130 TTSX loaded to your mag box.  That combo shoots out of EVERY 308 it's been tried in.

Take it to the bank....you can thank me later. 

around 3100ish is your goal. 

That's awesome. You read my mind on a question I was tempted to ask earlier. I can't wait to give it a try out of my 700 xcr lrt.

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48.5 gr of Varget, BR2, Fed brass neck sized, and 130 TTSX loaded to your mag box.  That combo shoots out of EVERY 308 it's been tried in.

Take it to the bank....you can thank me later. 

around 3100ish is your goal. 

That's awesome. You read my mind on a question I was tempted to ask earlier. I can't wait to give it a try out of my 700 xcr lrt.

Let me know how it shoots.  I think you'll be happy. 

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 It'll be a while, but I'll let you know for sure.

Thanks again!


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For the record, 130 TTSX out of my 308 at 300 yards:

And my 300....I pulled the one shot high.  Nevertheless the same range.....blah, blah..blah....

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Any try the 110's in 30 cal yet?

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Nope....not that it's a huge deal but it's a FB verses a BT.  I started and stopped with 130s.

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I only shoot my .300 Win Mag at elk - kicks too much for an old guy like me and the last thing I need is a flich - and have shot nothing but 165's and 168's Barnes for years.  Can't recall an elk that needed more than one bullet, (I lied - shot one cow twice but I didn't know the first one was lethal)  and have yet to recover a bullet, but only shoot side to side. 
I purposely load the .300 to about 06 velocities, maybe a bit more, i dunno - but works great for me. 
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Hey jiffy,those look like pencils holes???

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Darn it you caught me!  

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Jiffy Said:
Darn it you caught me!  

I heard they were 22 magnum holes at 25 yards.  lead not copper bullets as well...

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no that's too hard....

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I was thinking about loading 168 gr. or 180 gr. tsx or ttsx for my .300 win mag for a hunt next fall.  I've read that the 168 gr. need to be crimped.  Is that correct and if so is it a difficult process at all? Is the 168 gr. much better than the 180's?

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I was thinking about loading 168 gr. or 180 gr. tsx or ttsx for my .300 win mag for a hunt next fall.  I've read that the 168 gr. need to be crimped.  Is that correct and if so is it a difficult process at all? Is the 168 gr. much better than the 180's?

More velocity and less recoil at very close to the same B.C. is the reasoning behind 168 vs. 180.  On game performance would be same/same.

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I've ran the numbers on the 130s and 168s out of my 300 and they are so close you'd have to try really hard to notice.  I started out just play'en with the 130s in my 300 and ended up liking them a whole bunch more than I anticipated.  Best thing is the recoil is considerably less.....this means more trigger time.....this means getting much better with the rifle.....this means critters beware. 

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....and no, I have never crimped my 168 TSX load.

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I dont think the reps answered your question --- no on the crimping 

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they were getttin to it. 

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