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300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??

by , Posted to on 10/01/2006 10:08 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/04/2006
Location: CA
I am looking for a Elk gun and have been told by several people that I should look to the 300 Mag for Elk in Oregon.
What exactly is the difference between the 300 Win Mag and the 300 Ultra Mag??
Any input would be greatly appreciated
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/01/2006 10:47 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/15/2006
Location: MN
I assume that the people that advocate the
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 06:32 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/02/2005
Location: ND
worlfden-

If your in the Fargo area email me at robertb@facnd.com if your interested in trying out the .300 Rem. Ultra Mag.
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 07:00 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/27/2004
Location: ND
I think I'd get a good muzzle break installed if I were to shoot a 300 mag. It amazes me people are so facinated with an extra 200-300fps, it's almost like 2800 fps cant kill anything
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Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 07:13 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
wolfden, if I remember correctly the 300 Ultra is a 409 Jefferys necked down to a 30. I own a 300 Win. Mag. but I do not own a 300 Ultra. IMO there is really no need to own a 300 Ultra other than it would just be a reason to have another gun. We all know one more gun is always good. ;)!!! I have shot a 300 Ultra and all I can say is put a muzzle break on it!! The one I fired kicked like a freaking mule without one. I would go with the 300 Win. Mag. Its plenty of rifle for elk and your shoulder will be happy you did!!
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 07:28 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
The .300 ultra is a fine cartridge but too much for most people to shoot well. Like so many of the souped up .30 crowd.
The rest of the .300's are so close that theoretical advantages aside, flip a coin, then ignore the flip and get the one in whatever rifle fits best for you.
As 3X says, use whatever you can shoot accurately - an extra 2-3 hundred FPS won't make any difference at whatever ranges you can hit an elk anyway. At the end of the day it's hard to beat the 100 year old 06!
And practise, practise, practise - whatever you choose.
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 07:43 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/29/2006
Location: ND
I would consider the 300 Win Short Mag, you can get nearly the same performance without the recoil. This caliber shoots flat with the power to take down an elk at long range.
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by on 10/02/2006 07:54 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/27/2004
Location: ND
as bobkat mentions--hard to beat the old reliable .30-06 especially since good used guns can be found at a reasonable price. With a good quality bullet penetration shouldnt be a problem at reasonable ranges.
"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson




Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 09:22 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/13/2005
Location: ND
I shot a 300 Ultra a few years ago. It kicks, but not as bad as I thought. It has an awesome tragectory. I have had a thing for the 30-378 Weatherby in a Sako TRG-S. I found on the other day. My shoulder might go on strike after a few rounds, but I'll reason with it. Plus I want to hear an elk scream from 500 yards away.
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Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 09:36 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
Auggie1415, aren't you a female?? If so...will you marry me?!?! If not PLEASE disreguard my offer. lol!! ;)!! The TRG is an awesome weapon. I didn't know that they offered it in a 30-378....Hey check this out!! http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek069.html
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by on 10/02/2006 09:44 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/24/2005
Location: ND
been think on gettin a scendero in 300 ultra or just to bite the bullet and get a Ruger #1 in 300 win mag... im still ready with 300 win mag brass/ammo/dies,ect from the last one i had... got rid of it because it was light and had a crappy stock.

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Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 09:50 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/04/2002
Location: ND
I have a Ruger .330 Win Mag and my cousin shoots a Remington .300 Ultra. My Win Mag kicks worse than his Ultra.

The ballistics on the Ultra are outstanding. If I buy another rifle, it will be an Ultra. The ammo is more expensive but is worth it in my mind. I would go with the Ultra, no questions about it.
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 11:04 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/28/2003
Location: ND
wolfden

I shoot a Remington 300 Ultra Mag and would not give it up for anything. I am a small framed guy and put a muzzle break on mine because of the recoil and also bought an after market thumb hole stock. I reload my bullets with Nosler 200 grain accubonds and the gun handles very nicely. I would not be afraid to let any 16 year old shoot mine. Before I did a little work with mine, it did kick. I have shot prairie dogs, antelope, deer, red stag and elk with mine. I have shot other loads through mine and mine really likes the 200 grain. It is a bit much for small game, but I shot an antelope buck last year at 310 yds with the accubonds and hit it right through both shoulders and did no major meat damage. The trick is the bonded core bullets don't seem to rip up light skinned animals too bad. My father also shoots one and he has taken his to Africa and killed everything from a impala to a giraffe and his guide was impressed with the power - he too shoots the 200 grain bullets. Shoot me an email if you decide to buy one and I can start you off with a few load numbers. smeschke@ndsupernet.com
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by on 10/02/2006 11:05 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: NE
Like stated before the old .06 is hard to beat. If you have your heart set on a mag I would give the nod to the 300 Win. The balistics between the WM, UM, and the WSM just aren't enough to justify the price. Infact, according to Remmingtons charts the UM is .75 inch higher @ 100yrds, WSM is .02 inch @100. Is it really worth paying eight dollars more a box for a rifle that shooter error is greater than the ballistic difference????
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 11:54 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Sorry, I meant I have a .300, not a .330.

I do believe paying $8 more a box is worth it on this, when you look at the velocity and energy that the Ultra carries, it is quite a difference.

I pay about $40 per box for the Win Mag shells and I think the good Ultra's are in the lower to mid $50's for a box of 20.
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by on 10/02/2006 12:13 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
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Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 12:51 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
Id defintely take a 300 Mag over the others. If you want lighter recoil you can buy 'managed recoil' loads or if you reload you can spice it up a bit. You get a lot more variety in factory loads and its a step up from the 30-06/308 crowd without the pain of the bigger/more expensive rounds.
Re: 300 Win Mag or 300 Ultra Mag??
by on 10/02/2006 1:04 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/23/2002
Location: CA
One great thing about the .300 Win Mag is that it is, despite of its short neck and belted case a very accurate cartridge,, many long range sniper rifles have been built around this caliber,, and with manageable recoil at that,,Recoil and flinching have been well covered in previous posts,, many outfitters dont want clients with muzzle breaks on their rifles,, they are devastatingly hard on the ears when anywhere near one,,The good ol .300 Winny is very hard to beat,,,,,
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by on 10/02/2006 1:12 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I had a 300 Win Mag for many years and wish I had kept it. The ammo is reasonable in price with a good selection, they are inherently accurate and very manageable recoil. I shot my moose at 400 yds and a larger calibur would not have made any difference. It would be my pick if I had to get another 30 calibur.
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by on 10/02/2006 1:12 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/09/2005
Location: ND
I had a 300 Win Mag for many years and wish I had kept it. The ammo is reasonable in price with a good selection, they are inherently accurate and very manageable recoil. I shot my moose at 400 yds and a larger calibur would not have made any difference. It would be my pick if I had to get another 30 calibur.
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by on 10/02/2006 3:56 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
So where does the 7mm fit into all of this discussion?  Oh and the 30-378 is a beast.  My uncle has one but I haven't shot it yet just heard stories!  Hope to give her  a whirl sometime this fall.

Tim S.




 
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