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300 WIN MAG LOADS

by , Posted to on 04/11/2005 4:00 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/23/2002
Location: ND
I am going to start reloading some shells this weekend for my remington model 700 300 win mag. I was wondering if any of you have a good mix. I havent purchased anything yet but I am leaning torwards shooting 165 grain bullet. Any info would be great, aka powder, primer, type & grain of bullet.
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by on 04/11/2005 5:55 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
Very very good choice in cartridge. I like 180gr hornady SST, behind i think IMR 4831 77 gr. They are killing machines out to 6 or 7 hundred yards. With the greater velocity shooting ballistic tips its nicer to use a bullet with more weight to it so that it dosen't explode on impact. I have also used with great success the 165gr hornady and speer loads infront of 77-80gr of IMR 7828. Nice shooters. Out of both the two loads i described i go under 1 inch groups at 100 yrds. Thats damn good for a 300 win. I sight in about 2.5 too 3 inches high at 100 and thats pretty good out past 350 without any hold over what so ever.
I do alot of experimenting with my 300 on prairie dogs and found what works best. I Really hate nosler bullets and do not suggest them through a 300. Stick with hornady and speer. If you have any other questions feel free to ask cause i love talking up my 300 win mag. Every deer i ever shot from 50 to 680 yards has stoped dead in there tracks.
O its a Browning A-Bolt with a 26 inch barrel and a burris signature scope on it.
Good luck

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/11/2005 5:57 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
Primers i haven't had any problems with CCI 250 Magnum rifle primers. I also like IMR powders the best. Tried the reloader powders and just couldn't get the accuracy.

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/11/2005 7:43 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Slippery, I wonder what you are going to use your 300 for? My opinion is that you get a magnum to push a big bullet fast, just my opinion. I shoot 200gn Barnes Triple Shock bullets just over 3000fps out of a 26in stainless model 70 using lots of IMR 4831. There is a ballistic advantage to shooting the heavier bullets, there is actually less drop with my 200's past 400yds than the 180 has (that's a 180 @ 3250fps). I used to shoot Nosler partitions (200gn) and the rifle shot 1-1.25in 3 shot groups @ 100. When I switched to the Barnes it now shoots well under an inch 3/4"-7/8" 3 shot groups. A buddy also switched from Nosler to Barnes Triple shock in his 300Wby with similar results, cut group size in half. I used the Noslers on 7-8 deer and two elk with good success @ distances from 50yds-450yds, but the Barnes were much more accurate. I shot two does with the Barnes last fall and they did what they were supposed to do, shattered both shoulder blades and sailed on through, the furthest of the two was only about 150yds. I shot the first elk 4 times from 425yds-450yds and had three complete pass throughs, I shot the second one once @ 350yds right where the neck and shoulders join, the bullet blew up two vertebrea, I didn't ever find it though.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/11/2005 8:51 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
I shot my first Elk using the cheap Winchester ammo that I bought at Wal-mart. Dropped him like a lightning bolt with one shot. Never knew what hit him. That is why I am not sure that it pays much to reload.
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by on 04/11/2005 8:58 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
680 yards????? Damn thats a hell of a shot!!!!! I wish I could do that!!!!....lol....even with a range finder that is a VERY tough shot....

I guess I am going to get into trouble here....I just HATE seeing guys post posts about shots like that. Is it possible??? Yes, is it possible just not very likley. Not saying you are lieing, just saying it is highly unlikely that the "layman" can do that......I have already gone though this on other threads......I will not do it again!!!! Clay I know you know what I am talking about....please guys save me the comments...thanks!!!!!!!!!!



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by on 04/11/2005 9:13 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/25/2004
Location: ND
700yds......I wouldn't doubt it one bit (not saying anyone is), but there are a lot of ballistic beefcakes out there,that know where their bullet are going. I have a buddy who doesn't shoot anything under 500 yds (think's it's was fair chase), especially with a 300 mag.
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by on 04/11/2005 9:17 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Jiffy, try to contain yourself!!

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/11/2005 9:19 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
If you are hunting deer..any 300 Win. Mag. cartridge will work...lets face it...It is way more "gun" than you need for a deer...

Anything bigger, use a bigger bullet.....a 180 in a nosler partion(spell) or a Win. "fail safe" will work just fine...dont know who makes either one of thoughs bullets but it will be OK. I know you were looking for a "reloading" round but, if you happen to by factory rounds ....both of these will work fine.....
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by on 04/12/2005 08:23 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
Jiffy

Thank you for not chewing me out. I agree with you it dose sound far fetched and all. Hell i can't beleive some of the shots i make. Practivce out to 500 plus yards on prairie dogs and man even if you can dust them at that range thats a dead deer. I used to shoot around a 1000 rounds through my .300 at dogs a summer and man did i get good. My first year with the gun i took a mulie over 700 yards. It didn't go too good just wounded him and then had to run like hell through ruff turain to finish him. I vowed after that i wouldn't take a shot like that unless i was confident in my ability. Now i am confident out to around 600 on deer as long as i lay down with a bipod. I try not to shoot off hand further then 250yrds unless i am at rest. There are lots of guys out there that beleive getting closer is better and i agree with you full heartedly but for a few chosen few with the practice, know how, and weapon too do it that go for that challenge of further shots. I feel why risk scaring off that animal in stalking closer then to take a calm prone shot on a standing relaxed deer at a farther distance. I save the close shots for bow. Well we could beat around the bush all day and i am glad there aren't any bad arguments about it. I love my .300 win mag and just couldn't bring myself too use anything else.
Quik story from last year with the win mag. Last year i got 5 prairie dogs in one shot. They were around 80 yards out and about 8 of them stnading close on one hole. I told my buddy to watch this and aimed for the middle of the group off hand. It was like a hand granaid going off and when we when't over there their were 5 scatered around the hole. I used 165gr hornady infront of IMR 7828 for that.
Well enough babbling from me.

Shoot staight and shoot long.

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/12/2005 09:17 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Belldar, I've never shot 165's out of my 300. What sort of velocity are you getting? A couple of reloading books show you can get close to 3300fps, but I know many people make their bullets go faster than the book says, I've gotten 3250 out of 180's so I'm guessing that as much as you shoot you've chronographed you're 165's and squeezed every fps you can out of them. I have also shot a few dogs with the 300 but I don't enjoy it at all, it is punishment.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/12/2005 11:49 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
Not really sure on the velocity. I used to think around 3400 to 3600 but that was when i loaded them over the nuts. I split too many cases and blew some cases right in half. I have lately tamed down my loads. Now i figure around that 3200 mark. The accuracy improves a bit too. In the hornady book i stay about one under max on all my loads, this is were i get the most consistent accuracy and don't get the barrel too hot. I shoot around 40 to 50 rounds when i shoot dogs with it so a guys gotta wait for the barrel to cool if its scorching hot out.
I still on the other hand load my hunting loads (180gr SST) to the nuts. But i only use new brass. Don't like breaking off cartridge in the chamber when theres a bigun in front of me. I like the IMR 4831 and 7828 the best. Have tried other but allways come back to those two.

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/12/2005 11:56 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
The thing about punishment is to quit shooting B4 you start to flinch from the kick. I have pretty big sholders and weight around 210 and i can generaly handle in a t-shirt around 40 rounds B4 i stop. Once you start to flinch with a .300 getting out of it takes a lot of practice. Plus is really helps to know your trigger pull. I shoot a .22-250, .338 win and my .300 and all are brownings and have generally the exact trigger pull(2.5 to 3 lb). Any lighter trigger pull is too light with a mag because you really need to settle into the rifle. Plus if you shoot when its cold a 3lb trigger is really nice with gloves on. Too heavy a trigger and you anticipate the kick. A happy medium is the best.

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/12/2005 5:59 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
belldar,

My intent was not to chew you out. I think everybody already knows my opinions on the subject. I wont bore you guys with repeating it
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by on 04/12/2005 6:34 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
Jiffy
You are very right. My fathers .300 shoots very differently then mine. Acctually loads that didn't quite work for me dad shot. Shot just fin through his gun, but the best ones for my gun shoot like crap in his. I think his rate of twist is more out of his aftermarket barrel then mine or maybe it is just because its brand new. The best thing is just to try.
The only factory load that i found that shoots great with great performance through my .300 is Federal premium 200 grainers. Darn good and the only one i have or would ever consider using from factory. I have tried a few over the counters. Dads .300 shoots very well with 150 gr rem core locks too. A very good factory load for smaller white tails and such. Not so good for mulies though, it prematurly explodes. I like my first two described loads. The 165 are great controled expanders being that on longer shots i can sometimes find them in the animals on the far side perfectly mushroomed. The 180s make nice silver dollar sized holes through the other side. Even the 680 yarder was a complete passthough the lungs. Just watchit cause if you hit a deer in the spin you can consider loosing about 8 inches around the shrapnal. Just look at the pick of the one i shot this year in the photo gallery. Spined that bugger and it killed him colder than a cuccumber.
Later

Hunt to Live,

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by on 04/12/2005 6:39 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
JLL,

I am curious....do you shoot competion???? If not, who taught you how to read the mirage???? From what I have heard. Most guys have that "little wind speed reading thingy"....lack of a better term...lol I myself do not shoot competion...I learned how in the military. It can be a little "tricky" at times.....but if your good at it it can be an excellent skill to know....just wondering

Bad jiffy!!!!! BAD, BAD, BAD.......you changed the subject again....I'll have to have the wife come down here and spank me!!!! :D!!!! If ya dont here from me for about 30 mins., you know why....lol...........OK, probably more like 5 mins. but who cares......;)!!!! Hey at least I am honest!!!!!!
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by on 04/13/2005 08:40 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/23/2002
Location: ND
I have tried several over the counter shells from federal and remington and both have shot ok. I used to reload for my 30-06 and was just looking for a jumping off point. I realize every gun is different but most of the time a powder adjustment has gotten my bullets where i want them. I mostly shoot mule deer and I am thinking after 4 years I have a good shot at getting a Muley buck and I just feel more confident with my own loads. Thanks for the info guys. Hopefully saturday won't be windy so I can start testing.
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by on 04/16/2005 9:50 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/19/2003
Location: ND
I have three loads for my Remington Sendero in 300 Win. Mag. 165 Ballistic Tip, 165 Swift Scirocco, and 165 Barnes X Triple Shock. All over 79 gr R22 and CCI 250 primers.

The Ballistic Tip and Scirocco come out at 3350 fps the X bullet is a little faster at 3420 fps.

The locking lugs are lapped, the bore is lapped, the trigger is 3lb, the scope is tactical 4 X 16 with mil dots. The mounts are rail mount Farell tactical 20 degree forward slope, rings are TSP (Tactical Precision Systems inc). The scope is equipped with a Leopold retractable ballistic chart, and a level.

Groups out of this rifle are consistently around one third inch center to center, at 100 yards.

My knees are shot and I hunt this way or not at all. When I was younger I walked five to ten miles on opening day. Now I sit on a hill with scope, laser range finder, cookies, soda, and visit with relatives. Not as much of a hunt as in the past, but a good family get together. I have a 308 Remington 700P set up the same way for shorter range.
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by on 04/17/2005 6:10 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
After trying multiple loads and powders, I now use CCI magnum primers and 76 gr. RL-22 and the 168gr. Barnes XLC?? Also 77gr RL-22 with the Hornady Interbond and Nosler Ballistic tip 165. All these loads in my gun,on the bench, shoot to the same point of impact, honest 1 inch groups. I used to load them hotter, but accuracy is better backing off a bit and the Barnes, and hopefully Interbond which I have just started using, will drop deer and elk as far out as I care to shoot. Never have had to shoot anything over 300 yards anyway!
I realize the 180 and 200 grainers might be slightly flatter way out there, but an inch or two on a deer on up won't make any difference, and as I get older I find I shoot better with lighter loads and smaller bullets (my loads are probably somewhere between 06 and .300 loads) and still haven't had to shoot an elk more than once.
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by on 04/17/2005 9:52 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
Bob, try the new Barnes Triple Shock. They are more accurate than the XLC or original X-bullet, and competitivly priced for a premium bullet, they cost less than Nosler partitions. I switched to the Triple Shock this year and on the same powder charge, seating deapth, primers, case, etc the group size went from 1 1/4 in 3shot groups to 3/4in 3shot groups. I have a buddy in Grand Forks who experienced similar results in a 300Wby and 270 Short Mag.

This moment is a paradox, it's the oldest you've ever been as well as the youngest you'll ever be.


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by on 04/18/2005 10:04 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/23/2002
Location: ND
I reloaded 65 shells over the weekend. I used H4831sc for powder, federal 215 primers, and hornady 165 sst bullets. Best load was 77.5 grains of powder. I would have liked to try the barnes bullet but scheels was out. That will be my next load.
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