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300 WIN MAG ammo?

I just bought a new ruger 300. Wondering what ammo for whitetail, 150 gr or 180 gr? Also I do not plan to reload.

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stay away from Nosler Ballistic tip or similar construction bullets IMHO, they will blow a hole the size of Montana in a deer.

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Buy 4 or 5 or 6 or however many different boxes you can afford. Every rifle shoots every round just a little different. It's just a matter of what your rifle likes. Try a bunch of different kinds. I hope your wallet is fat! ;)

Before I reloaded I use to have real good results with Winchester Supreme 180 grn. ballistic tips in my Ruger M77 MKII.

To be extremely honest, for whitetails, it really doesn't matter what bullet you shoot out of a 300 mag. They're going to go down and going to go down fast if you hit them right. Hell, even a marginal hit will take out a whitetail!

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Almost all of the time anyway. I did see a fella shoot a standing WT doe at 200-250 yds. We all thought he missed and gave him crap as she ran over the hill about 3 seconds after he shot.

About an hour later I came across the same doe as we were completing the walk. Half of her liver was hanging out the far side and the shot placement would normally have been considered pretty decent if it weren't for the fact she was still alive. She must have had some really thick blood to not have bled out long before I came across her. Maybe she had eaten a box of stop-leak earlier that day?

We were all amazed. Not to mention we had to rescind some of our earlier criticism of his shooting.

Other than this one example, I have no problem with the 300. Other than it's bark and shoulder bite.

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Thanks, is 180 gr. an over kill for whitetail? For long shots is there a big difference between the 2?

Where's my bobber?

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I shot 165gr. accubonds out of my 300wsm this year and they worked great. If i couldn't go with the 165's i'd go with 180's in a premium bullet such as a accubond, interbond, or barnes X. I prefer the heavier bullets over a light bullet and i believe they actually kill better with less ruined meat than a lighter poor constructed bullet. Also found that most 300's that i've been around are more accurate with the 165gr. and above bullets. Also a benefit of the heavy bullet is you don't have to change if you go on a big game hunt.

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In general the 300 mag is overkill for deer no matter what bullet you're using. IMO

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My Dad and I both use 300 mags for deer. Fortunately, I have been able to handload to tune it more appropriate for deer (as well as lower cost). I have shot deer with everything from 125 grain up to 200 grain. The heavy slugs provide little advantage, as they go through and hardly open up. They have too thick of a jacket for the most part. Also have to agree with not using the ballistic tip. They are nice for keeping the tip of the slug true when you load/unload, but are more expensive and most of the time do more damage and ruin meat. I found a good solid 150 grain soft tip works well. I handload 168 gr. or 165 grain match slugs. Although a strange choice, those have worked quite well for my gun and situation. I recommend finding something that shoots best in your gun, and going with it. No need to go over 150 grain.

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Jigman, can I have your brass?

Pick a load your rifle shoots well, any factory 300Win offering is plenty for whitetails.

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Ok... I have fought with the same questions for the last 20 years. I have shot 150 grain bullets of every kind. 165 grain of every kind. Even had some 135 grain made that shot all over the place. I have taken over 50 whitetail and mule deer bucks plus a few doe's (yes I travel and hunt out of state so don't call me a poacher) Here is my conclusion.
Stay away from ballistic tips or the fail safe from Winchester. It actually have them, at less than 200 yards, go right through the animal and leave a little hole so they had to be shot again. Granted I did not hit any bones on the shots. Next stick with a 180 or 200 grain. The 300 was made to shoot these rounds and it is the round they shoot the best. Plain and simple. That 15 or 30 grains less makes a few inches in drop difference at your long range shots, which basically is nothing. The 180 will shoot straighter as well in the wind. No matter what when you hit a bone you make a big hole. I went to shooting basically shooting a soft point bullet because at 100 yards it expands and leaves a hole. I switched to a Remington Cora lot Ultra bullet blah blah blah. Only had a doe tag

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Everybody has their opinions! That is good in this case. In my 257 and 7mm mag I use nothing but balistic tips. As in other forums about what caliber for what game, everyone always says it is about bullet placement. I agree, with proper bullet placement I have never had an issue with the size of holes balistic tips have produced.
I shot a moose in canada once with a 225 grain partition out of my .338 did not hit a rib, did not expand. Moose folded up 50 yards into the big timber.
In short go with what every shoots well in your rifle and put it bahind the shoulder!

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Or shoot a TSX and shoot shoulders, on everything.

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Comparing skin-off carcasses all shot with TSX's from 50-500yds, calibers 243Win, 270Win, 7-08Rem and 300Win, it's impossible to tell what carcass was taken with what caliber solely via wound channel examination.

The TSX is peerless save maybe the TTSX or MRX.

That said, you certainly don't need that much bullet for deer but as I said earlier, I'm a 1 rifle, 1 load shooter. For me the 300Win is an elk rifle, I do on occasion use it as a backup deer rifle, with the same loads I shoot for elk, the deer don't complain.

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The TSX bullet has people thinking the

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150 or 165 or 180.... you will still hit them hard so why not use the 180 which the 300 was made to shoot. Every caliber shoots a certain grain better and for the 300 it is not a light bullet.

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168 TSXs shoot better in my 300 than 200 TSXx or even 180 ballistic tips.

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This is a humorous discussion. NXS, don't go ruining things now, I'm paying slack.

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The .300 mag is not enough gun for whitetails! Like the .243 the bullets bounce right off!
Horsager, are you a rep for Barnes? Aha, now I realize that you are a closet tree hugger and don't want to put any lead bullets into the environment! Fess up, Clay! LOL
I've loaded everything from the 125 to 200 grain bullets in my .300. The most pleasant to shoot at little stuff like whitetails is a 150 grain ballistic tip or lookalike backed off to around 30-06 velocities and recoil.
If you don't handload you can get .300's in souped up proprietary rounds from Hornady (Light magnum) and also some reduced loads from another company. ?Remington??

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Let the hangings begin!

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A point to ponder.

A 180gn Nosler Partition from a 300Win Mag with a muzzle velocity of 3000-3100fps. Let's call the Partition a 60% weight retention bullet.

A 150gn TSX from the same rifle @ 3400fps-3500fps with 90% weight retention.

The two bullets are priced comparably. What'll routinely get you the most for the least?

I've no affiliation with Barnes, their stuff just flat works, predictably, in everthing, every time, always the same, mostly independant of caliber/weight.

Not guessing is the appropriate position from which to laud performance.

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I have dies and brass 4sale

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Interrested, what brand dies? Brass? How many loadings on the brass?

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I my self like the lighter load like the 130grain barns triple. Shock for white talls

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I have good results with Federal Fusion 150 gr good knock down for deer and shoot well out of my rifle

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I love my .300 for whitetail.  It makes the recovery of a deer so much easier when it doesn't get to take a step after being shot.

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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways


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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

probably ND, im guessing with a remington 7400 30-06 or 270 shooting 150 grains
4 rounds in a mag and 1 in the chamber

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My son, son-in-law and myself all shoot 300's with 150 grain , I have had the best luck with Winchester cartridges .  We have always been very happy with the performance.

Sometimes the 150 grain's are tough to come by so start checking now

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jigaman Said:
I just bought a new ruger 300. Wondering what ammo for whitetail, 150 gr or 180 gr? Also I do not plan to reload.

I have been shooting a 300 win mag for 6 years now. Never used anything over 150 gr. just simply no need to. They shoot flat and fast and i haven't had to finish off a deer yet. Plus with the price of ammo its nice to be done in one shot, like i was last year.

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165 here --- gmx =---accurate and no issues on blown up meat

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I usually shoot 168 TSX in mine but I worked up a 130 TTSX load this fall for the hell of it.  It's right at 3400 and I don't believe it will bounce off.....

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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

probably ND, im guessing with a remington 7400 30-06 or 270 shooting 150 grains
4 rounds in a mag and 1 in the chamber

Why stop at 4 round mags?

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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

probably ND, im guessing with a remington 7400 30-06 or 270 shooting 150 grains
4 rounds in a mag and 1 in the chamber

nope MN but with a remington 7400 30-06 just like ya said hahahahaha what a guess
they give ya a box of 20 might as well use em. Although I would like to shoot a deer standing perfectly still one time with a rifle, has yet to happen except a fawn and that didn't count it was a mercy killing


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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

probably ND, im guessing with a remington 7400 30-06 or 270 shooting 150 grains
4 rounds in a mag and 1 in the chamber

nope MN but with a remington 7400 30-06 just like ya said hahahahaha what a guess
they give ya a box of 20 might as well use em. Although I would like to shoot a deer standing perfectly still one time with a rifle, has yet to happen except a fawn and that didn't count it was a mercy killing

Not a tough guess. ive seen how you midwest boys hunt. i think you represent about 90 percent of the population

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All my deer usually end up with about 750 grains ran through them anyways

You must hunt MN with a shotgun.

probably ND, im guessing with a remington 7400 30-06 or 270 shooting 150 grains
4 rounds in a mag and 1 in the chamber

nope MN but with a remington 7400 30-06 just like ya said hahahahaha what a guess
they give ya a box of 20 might as well use em. Although I would like to shoot a deer standing perfectly still one time with a rifle, has yet to happen except a fawn and that didn't count it was a mercy killing

Not a tough guess. ive seen how you midwest boys hunt. i think you represent about 90 percent of the population

hahaha


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Funny thing is, I had a problem one yr putting a deer down so me and the catman said Next yr we will be back with a 300 or somthing that really lays the smackdown on em or can reach out n tough em. so he bought one them there smack down 300"s and so far so good. leaves a really big hole


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nope MN but with a remington 7400 30-06 just like ya said hahahahaha what a guess
they give ya a box of 20 might as well use em. Although I would like to shoot a deer standing perfectly still one time with a rifle, has yet to happen except a fawn and that didn't count it was a mercy killing

Not a tough guess. ive seen how you midwest boys hunt. i think you represent about 90 percent of the population

hahaha

Nuttin wrong with throwing some lead out --- that one shell a year program is fine for some folks --- but not this guy ---- thats why they call it huntin!

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I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

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Enslow Said:
I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

1.cause it makes a big boom not a pap
2. shorter tracking job
3. to be super cool


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I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

Why not? For what it's worth no one needs more than a .243 in this state. Especially the people that mainly just do deer drives.

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I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

Why not? For what it's worth no one needs more than a .243 in this state. Especially the people that mainly just do deer drives.

243? cmon. Good round, but I'd beg to differ and shear knockdown ability for where and how I want to kill something... I've used 6mms on deer before all were runners, even with perfect shots.

Not too mention, why NOT handle a weapon that has a large amount of knockdown,especially if your able to make a clean shot and handle the weight and recoil of said weapon?
 
 
People here are beyond ignorant with this cartidge bunk.
Seriously... it comes down to this: It takes a hit to kill something. The ONLY reason some use larger weapons than others is they want the animal to go down- FAST.
 Person can play the cartridge game, or bulet weight game all you want-  simple fact is that hitting them is what matters.

As far as the ammunition for a 300 Win Mag, Id take Federal blue box 165 or 180s if your not handloading.
 

 

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Man this is just like the aluminum /glass boat debate , lets face it , those of you who want to shoot 243 etc , not a problem . 

For those of us who happen to shoot 300's, it works for us

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Pheasant 54 Said:
Man this is just like the aluminum /glass boat debate , lets face it , those of you who want to shoot 243 etc , not a problem . 

For those of us who happen to shoot 300's, it works for us.

Amen to that bro...
I have  a ton of different rifles in my arsensal, three of which are 30 cals (2 300 Win Mags, and 1 300 H&H)
 They are all setup to knock  anything in North America on it's hind end. Overkill? Up for debate... better over beers than everyone playing internet cowboy.
LOL

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jokostel Said:

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I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

Why not? For what it's worth no one needs more than a .243 in this state. Especially the people that mainly just do deer drives.

243? cmon. Good round, but I'd beg to differ and shear knockdown ability for where and how I want to kill something... I've used 6mms on deer before all were runners, even with perfect shots.

Not too mention, why NOT handle a weapon that has a large amount of knockdown,especially if your able to make a clean shot and handle the weight and recoil of said weapon?
 
 
People here are beyond ignorant with this cartidge bunk.
Seriously... it comes down to this: It takes a hit to kill something. The ONLY reason some use larger weapons than others is they want the animal to go down- FAST.
 Person can play the cartridge game, or bulet weight game all you want-  simple fact is that hitting them is what matters.

As far as the ammunition for a 300 Win Mag, Id take Federal blue box 165 or 180s if your not handloading.
 

 

Who is the one who is being ignorant?  wow

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Enslow Said:

jokostel Said:

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Enslow Said:
I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

Why not? For what it's worth no one needs more than a .243 in this state. Especially the people that mainly just do deer drives.

243? cmon. Good round, but I'd beg to differ and shear knockdown ability for where and how I want to kill something... I've used 6mms on deer before all were runners, even with perfect shots.

Not too mention, why NOT handle a weapon that has a large amount of knockdown,especially if your able to make a clean shot and handle the weight and recoil of said weapon?
 
 
People here are beyond ignorant with this cartidge bunk.
Seriously... it comes down to this: It takes a hit to kill something. The ONLY reason some use larger weapons than others is they want the animal to go down- FAST.
 Person can play the cartridge game, or bulet weight game all you want-  simple fact is that hitting them is what matters.

As far as the ammunition for a 300 Win Mag, Id take Federal blue box 165 or 180s if your not handloading.
 

 

Who is the one who is being ignorant?  wow

Pot. Kettle.Black.

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Its all good Jokostel.  I have good friends that shoot 300's.  Im not mad and its Friday!

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im thinking perhaps my 375 H&H is  the minimum acceptable cailiber for whitetail.  ive tried for years with 300s and 338s but they simply bounce right off.  Im sick of being laughed at by deer walking away with 30 caliber welts. 

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jokostel Said:

BringingTheRain Said:

Enslow Said:
I still don't understand why people use a 300 for deer????

Why not? For what it's worth no one needs more than a .243 in this state. Especially the people that mainly just do deer drives.

243? cmon. Good round, but I'd beg to differ and shear knockdown ability for where and how I want to kill something... I've used 6mms on deer before all were runners, even with perfect shots.

Not too mention, why NOT handle a weapon that has a large amount of knockdown,especially if your able to make a clean shot and handle the weight and recoil of said weapon?
 
 
People here are beyond ignorant with this cartidge bunk.
Seriously... it comes down to this: It takes a hit to kill something. The ONLY reason some use larger weapons than others is they want the animal to go down- FAST.
 Person can play the cartridge game, or bulet weight game all you want-  simple fact is that hitting them is what matters.

As far as the ammunition for a 300 Win Mag, Id take Federal blue box 165 or 180s if your not handloading.
 

 

I think you missunderstood me. I said why not, because it doesn't really matter. I don't think a 300 mag is an over kill, I just don't think people 'need' it. It would be boring if everyone shot the same round. I think the 'deadest' I've ever seen a deer die was a 100 yard running shot from a .257 weatherby. I can still picture that deer flipping end over end, and the 6 ft wide blood trail.

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 Heck... I took my 257 Weatherby after my Mulie Buck last year.
460 yards... 1 shot and it  dumped the critter.
  All Im saying is the cartridge is the LEAST relevant of the hunt... the shooters ability matters far more.
Knowing your distance, abilities... you KNOW when a cartridge is pooped out and when to use something that has more of an edge. It's our duty to do the CLEANEST possible kill on an animal... whatever that means to each one of us is another story, and thats best left up to debate over a brew.

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Its all good Jokostel.  I have good friends that shoot 300's.  Im not mad and its Friday!

 My bad as well.. Im just full of piss and vinegar today- SLOW at the office... that and I want to get out in the field tomorrow.
Take a half day to hunt waterfowl- maybe head to the range afterwards.

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