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kennybob
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2nd Amendment

I think we will need to amend,the 2nd Amendment in the near future.It need to be changed so locale Gov. has more input.If we don't do something we are going to loss alot of our gun rights.Because there are far more non-gun owners,than gun owner.So we as gun owners are going have to become more flexible,and allow the locale Gov. of the large Metro areas,place some restriction on ownership of some types of gun.So we can still keep those same types of weapons,here in the rural areas.If we continue with this ,you will have to pry my gun out of my cold dead fingers atitude,we will lose in the end.Fexiblity,and locale control is the key,rather then let some Supreme Court Justice,seal our fate.Just my .02

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It is going to be interesting in the future. I know that neither future president has any intention of messing with our right to own firearms. (Put that in writing) Just wonder how long concealed permits will be good, how long before the Clinton gun ban gets reinstated and how long before registration and licensing of all firearms will be enacted. What gets me is that everyone is willing to give risk all their freedoms for more money. I would like to keep track of all the people saying we are screaming wolf and contact them in four and eight years to maybe tell them where put it. I do think that Obama will backdoor everything. IE raise taxes on ammo, require licensing of individuals at high costs, limit the amount of firearms you can own, maybe the amount of ammo to. I really see Biden getting into this big. This has been his major adjenda for a long time. God forbid they appoint any supreme court justices. Am I worried, damn straight I am. Should I be, only time will tell. If we end up with a complete Democratic government and they don't make everyone rich, fat and happy, they will have a hard time ever getting back the majority. As far as the economy, I am still way better off than 10, 15, 20 or 30 years ago. But I really busted but to get it too. 40 hour weeks usually meant it was Wednsday. Time will tell, but the 2 ammendment is really in jeopordy no matter who is elected.

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If those in power would leave 'our' rights alone.. then we wouldnt have to 'amend' anything.. We shouldnt be arriving at this state in our country in the first place..... but you get what you 'vote' for..... The 2nd Amendment was put there for a reason... 'for the people'... not so the those in 'power' can 'amend' it to fit their ideological and 'feel good' promises and feelings..... or to 'fulfill' their so called agendas....

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gee kennybob, get a clue. You tought your favorite candidtates as if they are the next best thing but they are the ones who threaten our rights, one of our most basic rights at that.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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3x-I'm looking at the future,not tomorrow like you are.There is no way that anyone is going to get that much gun control in 4 years.But 4 more years of Rep.economic could finish off the middle class.The 2nd Amendent needs to be revamped,to give local Gov.more input.So the people in Washington D.C. or New York City can make laws to ban weapon they feel are unsafe,without it effecting us in rural America

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I would rather be economically ruined and have a county and able to pocess a gun than be without a gun and paying homage to allah.

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IMHO, I do not think that they are not going to take away our gun rights immediately, but they will start requiring registration of all ammo bought, how much, how often and what caliber. It does not matte what is bought as long as it pertains to ammo it would have to be registered. They would be able to keep track of the ammo easier than what they would be able to keep track of the guns being sold. Just a thought.

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The worst thing we could do is amend the 2nd Amendment. Boy would that open a can of worms.
And why change it for people in metro areas? Do they have less right to defend themselves than those of us in rural areas?

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LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!

(don't need to say more than that)

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kennybob, I would recommend putting some ice on it. Cause I'm guessing you recently fell and bumped your head

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Hey guys,scuff at me if you want.But the non-gun owners out number us by three to one.The writeing on the wall say,get fexible,or they will take some of our guns(autos and hand gun).

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They may outnumber us 3 to 1 but we're the ones who have guns! ;)

What better interpution of the second amendment to you want than that?

Think about it, tis not a "radical" as it sounds.....

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edit: interpretation

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There is no need to amend the 2nd Amendment. What we do need are representatives who will follow the Constitution and view the 2nd Amendment as the Founders intended it to be. Meaning that the federal government "shall make no law" concerning it. Yes, the federal government should have ZERO say when it comes to laws pertaining to guns.

If we don't quit this "lesser of two evils" garbage in voting, then we're going to continue down the problematic road we now find ourselves on, and America will be completely unrecognizable from what she was intended to be.

-Justin

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"So the people in Washington D.C. or New York City can make laws to ban weapon they feel are unsafe,without it effecting us in rural America"

Typical liberal view on this....

Its ok as long as it doesn't effect me...

What about the gun owners in NY city??

Have you thought about their rights? Obviously not...

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Some have mentioned gun registration as a start - REALLY BAD IDEA. When you think of gun registration, here is a quote you should remember.

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police will be more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." Adolf Hitler - passing of the German weapons act 1935.

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As long as we treat mental illness as a stigma and keep underfunding it, we will constantly lose more gun rights. Also, add to that the poverty and other problems of the inner cities. It's so easy to pass a law that limits gun use in the name of getting rid of gun violence. Very cheap too. Problem is that it doesn't work. On the other hand, it's quite expensive to start giving people with mental and personal problems the access to mental health services they need in order to stop the Columbine's and other gun violence. And's it's also very expensive to start real change in the poor inner city areas. The real solutions rely in taking care of our own people by attacking the root cause of the problems and not the symptoms.

And if anyone is that naive to think that re-opening this amendment (no matter whom controls the White House) would solve things they need to do their homework and check their meds. Most people in this country would gladly limit this right. And to open an Amendment requires a long drawn out process that would not be the best interest of us gun owners. We are in the minority folks. And if we want to keep our rights as is, we need to do all we can to not only keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but to also rebuild our inner cities and start taking care of the people in our country.

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kennybob, you obviously don't care about the law abiding citizens who live in metro areas.

Why in the world would you want to hamper their ability to defend themselves in their homes?

To me gun control is a simple issue: punish those that abuse the right to own a gun.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Yeah the gun ban in D.C. has did wonders since the ban went into effect in early 1977 there is only one year (1985) when D.C.'s murder rate fell below what it was in 1976. But the murder rate also rose dramatically relative to other cities. In the 29 years we have data after the ban, D.C.'s murder rate ranked first or second among the largest 50 cities for 15 years. In another four years, it ranked fourth.

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What I'm saying is to let local Gov.have more control,and not have some Supreme Court Justice,make a broad form decision over something so important.

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ndfishhawg,

Do you have a clue about the treatment of mental illness??? It is has stigma, and always will have. Those afflicted with it would be the first to say so, and those that dont have more BEHAVIORAL issues (Columbine jerkoffs)that would be treated much better without meds...ie: hard work, caring families, swat on the hump for misdeeds, etc.

I still cant make the A to K jump you just made discussing the 2nd Ammendment and you come out with the psych public service announcement???

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kennybob, the last time I checked, the Bill of Rights is not a state or local document.

In my limited knowledge of the law...States cannot make laws that are unconstitutional, and I see no reason to make an exception for the 2nd amendment.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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When the Japanese commander was asked why he didn't proceed to the mainland after bombing Pearl Harbor, he replied. Because American civilians have guns.

Even without our military, I wonder how a foreign ground invasion on American soil would go over. A .243, a home made silencer, a ground blind, 500 yards of distance, and a butt load of shells.

What will happen when we don't have guns?

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I didnt want to put this on the Tony Dean thread as it should be left as a tribute to Mr Dean with no poitics.

Cant believe my ears though, just heard a full one minute Tony Dean radio endorsement FOR Obama. Im assuming it will be state wide this week and from here on out. it strongly endorses Obama. It rips bush and McCain and for all the past rhetoric and claims Obama would be a great choice for outdoorsman.

I am actually listening again to the ad as I now type, twice run in the past five minutes. this ad was 30 seconds and again attacks McCain and strongly supports Obama. I am suprised by this ad but am happy to see the open minded view of someone I have always respected as an outdoorsman.

 

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NXS, you seem to be getting off on this one.

Archer, Canada is open minded and has Obamania!! Go there.

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By the way, they're up in arms about the privatization of liquor stores. They want to bring it back under govt control as they're opening in neighborhoods that don't need them. I waited but couldn't determine which ones did.

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Got my ONE REAL absentee ballot last night. Just logged off of NRA-ILA. I hope this makes some puke out their spleen. God save us.

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well if some of us think with a congressional democratic majority and a Democratic president they are going to just sit around for 4 years and not strip you of some of your rights well the wool has been pulled over your eyes for sure........since we have Clinton, Schumer and Obama who are all on record as heavily anti gun senators in agreement with each other........hold on to your guns NRA members as long as you can.........

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I cannot beleive Mr Dean endorses Obama, came accross this letter thought it was interesting:

420 E. Locust, P.O. Box 637, Chatsworth, IL 60921
Phone: (815) 635-3198 or (815) 635-3166 Fax: (815) 635-3723 Website: www.isra.org
Dedicated to education, safety training and support
of Illinois firearm owners
October 10, 2008
Fellow Sportsman,
Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For
the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle
Association.
I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I
know Obama

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Once again the ole "Why dont you move to Canada" reaction from a one track mind hilly-billy with no better answer.

Hey hillbilly; Why doesnt 60% of the nation move to Canada too. Thats how many will be voting democrat this election. We just finished the worst eight years of any presidency in history, the republican party hides from his endorsment and uses their separation from the bush plan as a campaign tool to get elected? yet, anyone on the liberal side that didnt stand behind bush the last eight years was told to go to Canada! Are you voting for McCain or sending him to Canada too, seems to me he isnt much of a bush supporter right now!!!

As for Tony Dean and his support of Obama, where is all the jabs at him? or is he one of the good old boys and nobody knows what to say?