257 Weatherby vs. 264 Win. Mag

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257 Weatherby vs. 264 Win. Mag

Am trying to decided between a Remington CDL SF rifle in 257 Weatherby or 264 Win. Mag. The 264 Win. Mag was a special run only available through one distributor last year. Was wondering between the two calibers. Any comments or sugestions?

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I have had both the 264 hands down.

 

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Been shooting a .264 for 23yrs. It's my favorite or 'go to' when I have to pick from the cabinet. I've taken caribou, moose, and many large whitetails,most with one shot. Also shot 100's of prairie dogs. Can't bad mouth the 257 Weatherby. A good friend has shoots one. Both calibers are very fast and flat shooting. My 264 shoots 140gr at 3150fps at the muzzle. Also shoot 100gr ballistic tips at just over 3300fps for prairie dogs. The important thing for any and all firearms is to clean regularly and don't burn up the barrel ;)

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Essentially they're the same case, a 7Rem Mag necked down to either .264 or .257 (and double radius shouldered).

With careful handloads the 257Wby will run 100gn bullets to 3650FPS. I've not loaded for a 264Win. Either are very capable cartriges, there's little in the way of ballisic acheivement you could do with one that couldn't be accomplished with the other.

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NDShooter, Are you running your .264 full throttle or saving the throat? seems you should be able to get well over 3500 with 100's, 140's never seemed to edge over the 3200 mark when I was loading for a buddy's .264 mag, to much bearing surface I reckon,I remember Win. came out with a two diameter bullet when they first came out in their Westerner, I had to step on my loads abit to compete with Weatherbys high pressure.

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Personelly I would go with the .264,because 7mm mag. brass is easy to come by.Otherwise they are a horse apiece.I'm a big fan of both cal.

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I shoot a 257 and love the gun. The 257 is a 300 H&H casing necked down to a 25 cal. I reload my own shells with 100 grain barnes triple shock bullets with 72.5 grains of reloader 22. I chronograph them at 3576 fps(5 shot average); which doesn't mean anything other than the groups are 3/4 inch at 100 yards. It is hard to swallow the cost of brass at first but after shooting the gun for three years it is worth every penny.

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Hunterelk, the 257Wby and 300H&H share the same case-head but the overall case length of the 300H&H is greater. The 300H&H and it's offspring such as the 8MM Rem Mag, 300Wby, 7STW, etc are made to run in a full magnum length action. The 264Win, 7Rem mag and 257/270/7MMWby, are designed to run in a standard long action. Easy enough to run 264Win or 7Rem mag brass into a 257Wby sizing die and you've got less expensive 257Wby brass.

If you take a full length 300H&H case straighten the sidewalls (a la 8Rem mag) and neck it to .257 you have the .257STW.

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If I was to pick I would go the 257 route just for the fact that you can get a 100 grain Barnes TSX in .25 cal. 120 is the smallest you can get in the .26 cal. Not that is a big deal to you. I would also think in general the .25 has a better selection of bullets due to the .26 being kind of the red headed step child of the American shooting world.

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Rigjig
I do load on the lighter side with the 100gr bullets. I blew out my first barrel many years ago, mostly due to lack of proper 'cooling' and regular maintenence. I'm well over 3000rnds through the current barrel (Hart stainless)and it still shoots sub MOA.

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I'd check out the bullet selection on 6.5mm a little better.....95 gr v-max, 107gr sierra, 87gr sierra hp....theres a few more under 120gr if you re-load.

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Thanks for the info Horsager. How can I get some 300 weatherby brass cheap or cheaper?

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Miller, I never said you couldn't get the bullets for the 6.5 infact I shoot a 6.5 x 55 sweede. I like barnes bullets and they dont have a 100 grain in 6.5. In general terms you are going to see bullets in .25 before .26.

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I love my 264. Last buck I shot was at 454 yards. I've seen my friend hit fox at over 700 yards with his. Don't know much at the 257, but I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed with a 264.

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hunterelk, 8Rem Mag or 7STW brass run into a 300WBY sizing die ought to do it. Imperial sizing wax is your friend here but don't overdo it or you'll dent your cases pretty good, just a thin film. I get just a little on my fingers then put a thin film of it on the mouth, neck, and shoulders of a case.

Just like any time you "make" brass from some other caliber keep good track of it as the stamping on the case-head will no longer match the chamber that the brass has been resized for.

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To all, ff you haven't migrated your acct over to the new site yet, you should consider it. The hijack/side-discussion regarding brass forming going on here could easily be handled via private messaging on the new site and we'd stay on topic in the thread.

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Horsager, you always give great advice, we need more guys like yuo on here posting instead of all the "i think so's"

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A $400 Wby Vanguard in 257Wby is a sleeper for sure, tons of performance on the cheap. You'll spend twice that amount to acquire a 264Win from Remington.

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Always heard about guys making a 6.5mm Weatherby magnum by necking down or up 257, 270 or 7mm. The performance between the two have to be pretty similar I assume.

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Only real difference would be the double radius Wby shoulder. It'll be interresting now that Rem is chambering a 257Wby to see if they make factory ammo and Rem brass for same. If one could acquire rem headstamp 257Wby brass for 60cents each or so I'd have a bunch.

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Remington produced 7mm Weatherby rounds a few years ago and the price was about on par with weatherby loads. I suppose if they can charge it we can too mentality!

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why not just buy a .270 ?

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Horsager, Once again thank you for the info.  Sorry to all for getting off the subject of the original post.  I love reloading and any info I get is very helpful.

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3XGutshot Said:
why not just buy a .270 ?

Cause they bounce off elk..... 

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'prolly have to pay a liscencing fee back to Wby. I'm not looking for loaded ammo, I'd be interrested in less expensive 257Wby headstamp brass though.

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Jiffy- If I remember correctly, the minimum cal for elk was 20mm.
I "could" be wrong.

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Seriously though- not to hijack the thread much- but the newer Vanguards actually group- not pattern?

The last few Vanguards I had seen did at best 2 inches.

If the Vanguards HAVE turned around- I would be very much interesting in making "truck rifle" in 257 weatherby.

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I don't mind the thread hijacking much. This thread is losing pepper fast even with it. The discussion is interesting and I don't see the point in thousands of "two posters". Good discussion weaves and evolves like an impish Cabernet. It stimulates the senses like illegal cheese. Not flatulent yet committing a bold assault on the intellect; treading deeply into a fresh May pasture.

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sorry svnmag things evolve (read Darwin Origin of species it may help). Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.
Back to subject at hand then. I shoot a 257 love it period. If you are going to reload then it doesn't really matter which caliber you shoot. I don't know how availible 264 ammo is I haven't looked lately. 257 ammo is readily availible although costly. In a pi$$ing match the 257 and 264 are very similar and you are not going to see a hole lot of difference between the two based on hunting experiance. It comes down to preferance. My preferance is the 257.

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Seven! LOL
"Good discussion weaves and evolves like an impish Cabernet. It stimulates the senses like illegal cheese. Not flatulent yet committing a bold assault on the intellect; treading deeply into a fresh May pasture."

Funny! LOL
Trouble is, too many discussions on FBo don't evolve, they degenerate into rotten cheese, narcotize the intellect and after a while smell like garbage and 'rear flatulence' and tread deeply in a soaked mushy uncleaned spring feedlot!" LOL

I loved your quote though! You are an 'artist with words' unless you plaugurized it from somewhere! :>) Even if you did, it was still poetically funny! Made my day! Hah!

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Ive been shooting the 264 for the last 15yrs and love mine. i own a couple and they both shoot great with handloads. brass is easy to find at cabelas or scheels before deer season or midway always has some. never owned a weatherby. lots of very good bullets available for the 6.5s.

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jokostel Said:
Seriously though- not to hijack the thread much- but the newer Vanguards actually group- not pattern?

The last few Vanguards I had seen did at best 2 inches.

If the Vanguards HAVE turned around- I would be very much interesting in making "truck rifle" in 257 weatherby.

I've owned exactly one dozen Vanguard/1500's and they all shot quite well.

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The 264Win lacks a light-for-caliber warp-9 mono-metal bullet, and that's been it's shortcoming since it's inception.

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 I may have to mess with one  then... going to have to be after deer season.
Have 7 big game rifles right now.... gotta wait till a credit card is payed off before I play anymore

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Thanks Bob, sorry for the typo Fcon.

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